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Xenomrph posted:Overall I liked Genisys, I thought it did some pretty novel things. It shuffled up the character dynamics (Sarah essentially became Kyle and vice versa), it did something interesting with John Connor (and would have been a cool twist if the trailers hadn't spoiled it), the T1 callbacks were neat, it showed the equivalent of the logical progression of what T2 Arnold would have been like if he hadn't self-terminated and had stuck around to care for young John, the effects for bad guy John Connor were cool (especially when he's getting pulled apart by the MRI machine), all around I thought it did some cool and unique stuff and I had a good time with it. Oh that's a cool little thing. I saw Genisys once and had a big dumb smile on my face for the first half hour where they redo T1. On the way home from the cinema I think I gave it a freaking 9/10 on IMDb. To be fair we had a Groupon to a luxury cinema with reclining seats that served alcohol so I was rather buzzed. Haven't revisited it and don't remember hardly anything about the rest, just the beginning and a bit of Ahnuld. 9/10 for those, 4/10 for the rest I guess.
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Being told that John Connor doesn't matter made me super not care about the new savior of humanity, because if John dies and somebody else steps up, why should invest in, or care about any of them? I literally don't remember any of the new characters' names. Edit: I liked Genisys too. I was really looking forward to where the series went in its sequels, but welp. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Mar 30, 2020 |
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Mar 30, 2020 19:50
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As I posted earlier, Genysis is the one film that just outright goes 'Connor is only special because he cheats', except it's then not followed up in the second half.
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Mar 30, 2020 20:53
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Alchenar posted:As I posted earlier, Genysis is the one film that just outright goes 'Connor is only special because he cheats', except it's then not followed up in the second half. The follow-up is the reveal that his cheating only worked because Skynet was purposefully following the script that he expected in an effort to trap him. Salvation showed Skynet failing despite changing the future war, in which it tries to take control of the time loop by capturing Kyle Reese. So in Genesis instead of changing the future war, it fakes it, takes advantage of an opponent that never digs deeper into what's happening because he always sees what he expects to see, then makes its control of him direct instead of indirect through that whole nanotechnology business. The consistent throughline is that John is Skynet's puppet. Him thinking he's cheating is just the first half of that.
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Mar 30, 2020 22:31
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:Being told that John Connor doesn't matter made me super not care about the new savior of humanity, because if John dies and somebody else steps up, why should invest in, or care about any of them? tbf, the movie does answer this. John Connor only doesn't matter because Skynet is no longer the problem. if Skynet was still the problem, then yeah, John getting glocked would be an issue; but the future changed, and both its enemy and its savior changed along with it.
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Mar 30, 2020 22:38
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:tbf, the movie does answer this. John Connor only doesn't matter because Skynet is no longer the problem. if Skynet was still the problem, then yeah, John getting glocked would be an issue; but the future changed, and both its enemy and its savior changed along with it. Being told that the first two canon movies worth of struggle were ultimately pointless because the exact same loving thing was going to happen anyway, just with different players, why should I care? They've told me nothing matters.
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Mar 31, 2020 01:54
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Sarah Connor is who you should’ve cared about imo
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Mar 31, 2020 01:57
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CelticPredator posted:Sarah Connor is who you should’ve cared about imo There's a reason the TV show was TSCC instead of TJCC.
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Mar 31, 2020 02:07
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:tbf, the movie does answer this. John Connor only doesn't matter because Skynet is no longer the problem. if Skynet was still the problem, then yeah, John getting glocked would be an issue; but the future changed, and both its enemy and its savior changed along with it. idk why john connor wouldn't be useful in this future.
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Mar 31, 2020 02:47
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CelticPredator posted:Sarah Connor is who you should’ve cared about imo
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Mar 31, 2020 03:57
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Genisys is on Netflix (along with T1) so I started watching in bed and remembered I loathed the chunky slightly-younger Colm Meany guy they have playing John. Still enjoyed Arnold and the CGI 80s Arnold looks good too. I fell asleep during the bit where you meet the unexpected liquid metal term that I COMPLETELY forgot was in this. Also how this was supposed to be Matt Smith's big film debut after killing it as Doctor Who and then he gets half a scene and is never seen again in movies lol.
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Mar 31, 2020 09:15
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:I did before this flick began and then I watched her go all slack-jawed at a Terminator murdering her son and doing loving nothing about it, at which point it become clear that they had no idea who any of these people are. T3 onward need to be erased
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Mar 31, 2020 12:01
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jojoinnit posted:Genisys is on Netflix (along with T1) so I started watching in bed and remembered I loathed the chunky slightly-younger Colm Meany guy they have playing John. When I saw the trailers I thought it was a bulked-up Jim True-Frost (who played Prez in The Wire) and was never able to unsee that after that.
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CelticPredator posted:T3 onward need to be erased That's what they have been doing, but we're caught in a T3 loop.
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jojoinnit posted:Also how this was supposed to be Matt Smith's big film debut after killing it as Doctor Who and then he gets half a scene and is never seen again in movies lol. 
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Mar 31, 2020 17:08
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jojoinnit posted:Also how this was supposed to be Matt Smith's big film debut after killing it as Doctor Who and then he gets half a scene and is never seen again in movies lol. Heh. Poor Matt. I wonder if he looks at how Karen Gillen's career loving exploded and he's going to end up like so many Doctors before him, fully defined by the role.
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Mar 31, 2020 18:23
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Rhyno posted:Heh. Poor Matt. I wonder if he looks at how Karen Gillen's career loving exploded and he's going to end up like so many Doctors before him, fully defined by the role. Lots of British actors do well domestically, go to Hollywood and crash out and gave to come home.
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Mar 31, 2020 18:27
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Alchenar posted:Lots of British actors do well domestically, go to Hollywood and crash out and gave to come home. He was on the Crown and not much else of note. Looks like he's still making bad choices as he's going to be in Morbius next. At least David Tennant managed get his poo poo back together after burning in Hollywood.
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Mar 31, 2020 18:30
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All his hubris is contained in him having them credit him as "Matthew Smith". For a second in the opening credits I had to remember who that actually was. He clearly thought he better get "Matthew Smith" in people's heads before he has to put "Matt Smith" on the posters of all his future starring roles...
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Mar 31, 2020 22:54
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Matt does OK for himself for a guy who's been making movies for ten years, he's a white dude in show business after all, even if he wasn't any good you can fail upward.
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I remember people were questioning his choice to be in a Terminator movie at all. I forget was any of his cut role in Star Wars actually even filmed or was he just cast and then dropped from how they decided to go with the story? I can understand being in Terminator of course, Nick Stahl similarly, I remember in some interview or other when T3 was happening both he and Claire Danes independently were basically like "If you saw T1 or T2 when you were younger and then several years later your agent is like hey want to co-star with ARNOLD in THE NEW TERMINATOR?" There's no thought process you're just already signing because poo poo, hang out with Arnold and be in a Terminator movie? YESSSSS Isn't Morbius the new like Venom where it's a Sony Marvel movie but not an MCU movie? Venom did pretty well and it's going to be a mainstream comic book movie that does fine at least so it's not like the guy's slumming.
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Ian McDiarmid was a very late addition to RotS, so, it is highly likely Matt Smith was involved (the rumour was always he played a young, rejuvenated Palpatine after all...) but I guess he got tossed out when they got McDiarmid in.
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just saw Dark Fate and I kinda liked it?? Why did Grace have Carl's address tattooed on her torso, when he was a remnant of a future that never happened and her 'branch' would have no knowledge of him? How did Carl know the times and locations for the other time travel drops that had nothing to do with him? We're those drops from Skynet or Legion future? I'm guessing Skynet future, otherwise LH would have been unable to kill them? LH and Arnold were good and the new people were good. Best acting since T2 imo. The story was only Decent but overall I'd give it a B.
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FistEnergy posted:Why did Grace have Carl's address tattooed on her torso, when he was a remnant of a future that never happened and her 'branch' would have no knowledge of him? Grace was given the address by Dani in the future, who had met Carl during the events depicted in the movie. It's a closed-loop thing, like John giving Kyle a photo of his mother in the future so that he can eventually go back in time and conceive him. There's some line about how Carl's circuitry can detect the ripples through time of an incoming emergence before it happens. Just a bit of technobabble to justify the plot. The Skynet future seems right, given her equipment doesn't exactly get the job done against a Legion bot, but it's also unclear why a Skynet future would have sent all these extra bots given it doesn't exactly fit with what we learned in the first two movies. They don't really attempt to answer this question, as part of a general issue of the overall picture of the future stuff being vaguer in this movie than the previous ones.
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I imagine that if Carl had any expectations, he expected to appear in the future Skynet-driven hellscape of 2019 that was post-nuclear launch but 10 years before John Connor was knocking on Skynet's front door. He must have been surprised to find humanity cruising along and no such thing as Skynet. Carl was sent back at the same time Skynet sent the T-101 and the T-1000 - and likely the other ones that Carl had sent Sarah to destroy.
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FistEnergy posted:just saw Dark Fate and I kinda liked it?? There is a lot of fiction out there about Skynet that basically says as soon as it had the time travel tech it started sending all kinds of mission terminators out there, they weren't all set to specifically hunt John Connor (though they would immediately drop what they were doing and go after him if they detected him). This was one of the main plot-driving things about The Sarah Connor Chronicles TV show. Also lots of "expanded universe" comics and books. The one story out there about a Terminator that was sent back and ended up at the wrong time destination (as in, back in the 1800s), and decided to accumulate wealth and build weapon stockpiles for Future-Skynet to find and use later while making as little impact on historical events as possible was a neat story (and used for a "Terminator of the week" episode in the previously mentioned show).
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Now I want Deadwood with Terminators. >Response_Possible - Yes - No - Go away, please - gently caress you, you hoople headed rear end in a top hat
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biracial bear for uncut posted:There is a lot of fiction out there about Skynet that basically says as soon as it had the time travel tech it started sending all kinds of mission terminators out there, they weren't all set to specifically hunt John Connor (though they would immediately drop what they were doing and go after him if they detected him). This was one of the main plot-driving things about The Sarah Connor Chronicles TV show. Also lots of "expanded universe" comics and books.
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jojoinnit posted:Where can I read this?! Sounds like I need to watch at least one episode of the show. You would think that, but then you watch it and it's a real letdown. Part of the issue is that it arrived on network television before prestige TV had caught on everywhere, so the budget kind of sucks, which is not what you would hope for in a show about terminators. Another part of it is that the casting could in many cases be better.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:You would think that, but then you watch it and it's a real letdown. Part of the issue is that it arrived on network television before prestige TV had caught on everywhere, so the budget kind of sucks, which is not what you would hope for in a show about terminators. Another part of it is that the casting could in many cases be better. I thought that show aired about 5 years ago and got a few seasons! A decade ago and only one. Guess the cultural footprint it left was bigger than the show itself. When did prestige TV officially start? I thought it was basically Sopranos on. Anyway, shame they butchered such a good premise. I'd definitely read a comic of that idea though.
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Apr 3, 2020 18:58
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TSCC had two seasons. And the casting was quite good, Lena Heady was a powerhouse, Brian Austin Green showed he had real chops, Thomas Dekker was the best on screen John Conner we've ever had and Summer Glau is probably your best choice if you want a stoic, emotionless machine character.
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Rhyno posted:TSCC had two seasons. Lena Heady was as always amazing. They went in most cases for a bunch of actors for terminators who had no screen presence, which is not the right way to do it at all no matter what your intent is. Summer Glau meanwhile was basically stunt casting.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Lena Heady was as always amazing. They went in most cases for a bunch of actors for terminators who had no screen presence, which is not the right way to do it at all no matter what your intent is. Summer Glau meanwhile was basically stunt casting. Garret Dillahunt was outstanding as a Terminator.
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Apr 3, 2020 20:04
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Garret Dillahunt is always outstanding.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:You would think that, but then you watch it and it's a real letdown. Part of the issue is that it arrived on network television before prestige TV had caught on everywhere, so the budget kind of sucks, which is not what you would hope for in a show about terminators. Another part of it is that the casting could in many cases be better. I don’t know what you’re talking about, my original timeline got 8 seasons of the show and it loving ruled, they really ramped up the production values in season 4. Wait did I say my timeline? I mean, uh Great Scott!
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I will say this, the show actually tries to do what everyone complains most of the Terminator movies do not: move the storyline along in new directions with new ideas. And the main reason it failed is because Fox is where sci fi shows went to die no matter how well they were actually doing with fans. I think production quality-wise it could have been a better show and if you were looking for a Terminator movie condensed into a show, it really wasn't that. It had more in common with X-Files. This is now 12 years back in Terminator history, before people began to get tired of the conceit and Hollywood's inability to work out a quality production.
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Half of the show took place during the writers strike, too. Its had so much going against it at the time, which is hard to see in retrospect, and helps to explain why it got a lot forgiven at the time, even when it went through a large dip. Given that the main Terminators were Dillahunt (great actor) and Manson (great in the role), I don't see complaints about that.
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TSCC was pretty janky at points and had an unfortunate run of 3-4 episodes that were just terrible in the second season, but it's pretty much the only bit of Terminator media post-T2 that felt like it was trying to expand upon the themes and ideas instead of regurgitating them. It's telling the Genisys, the first big attempt of a Terminator reboot, cribbed so heavily from the show.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFxMgJw6KRk
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Great concept for an episode, but my god was that actor miscast as a terminator.
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