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Just Chamber posted:The rich will always find a way to get preferential treatment, though as he's the leader of the country its probably understandable they'd take every precaution in this case. i don't hope he dies with any great fervour, but on balance i'd be in favour of it because that's the funnier outcome this is not my standard approach to sick people, but when rich conservatives make it abundantly clear they don't see other people as human, it's hard not to return the favour
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Apr 6, 2020 21:27
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He's not going to die. He's going to survive due to having a guaranteed ventilator, oxygen, team of doctors and a bunch of fresh nurses who aren't using bin bags as their protective gear. Then, when he recovers, he is going to use this as a shining, personal example of the wonderful NHS and all the extensive support and help his govt gave them and refuse to accept any critism of their policies, despite it being proven that these policies caused the deaths of hundreds of non-prime ministers, if not more.
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Apr 6, 2020 21:30
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:i don't hope he dies with any great fervour, but on balance i'd be in favour of it because that's the funnier outcome Best case scenario is he has a near death experience and like some who go through that sort of thing he comes out of it less of a oval office, but that won't happen so  it's going to be an interesting few days regardless.
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Apr 6, 2020 21:32
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Shut up Meg posted:He's going to survive due to having a guaranteed ventilator, oxygen, team of doctors and a bunch of fresh nurses who aren't using bin bags as their protective gear. Maybe, none of this is a guarantee. The ventilator certainly helps with not dying, but at the end of the day there are no drugs or additional help that can be given to fight this virus. It's between your immune system and the virus, and then in the worst cases it becomes your immune system and virus vs. your body. Boris is likely at the point now where his immune system is actively doing more harm than good, its had enough of this virus and is using a scorched earth approach to taking it out.
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Apr 6, 2020 21:35
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It’s not like he hasn’t got plenty of blood on his hands already, whilst I would like it if no-one else died because of this we did need to keep the economy running so sacrifices do have to be made.
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Apr 6, 2020 21:38
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Shut up Meg posted:He's not going to die. It's a 50% chance even with a ventilator because your lungs and kidneys both pack it in
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Apr 6, 2020 21:40
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F I’ll miss him. He was a character.
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Apr 6, 2020 21:40
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Jose posted:It's a 50% chance even with a ventilator because your lungs and kidneys both pack it in Even if your immune system takes out the virus, it has so thoroughly overworked itself and destroyed all of the protective cells in your lungs, that it allows other bacteria to invite themselves in unopposed and have fun. You could end up dying to another disease anyways, or your lungs are so thoroughly destroyed that they won't work ever again and you're dead.
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Apr 6, 2020 21:43
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https://twitter.com/inthesedeserts/status/1247251679772323840?s=19 doesnt sound like the sort of thing you'd say about someone who was just being cautious
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Apr 6, 2020 21:45
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I said come in! posted:He is what, day 12 into this or so? It averages about 18 days before a patient dies. Day 12 since we were told. kecske posted:https://twitter.com/inthesedeserts/status/1247251679772323840?s=19 I don’t think we would’ve heard unless it’s was deadly serious - I’m sure he’d like to project an indomitable strongman image.
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Apr 6, 2020 21:50
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He'll be getting all the experimental drugs atm if there's even a slim chance they help with the virus. Or some of these rumoured anti virals that supposedly work like the malaria drug etc. The top doctors in the world will be on conference call etc and I'm sure these things alone will increase his chance of survival from the regular Joe by quite a lot. For us we'd be lucky to just get a ventilator. Of course yes if his immune system goes into full blown panic and he then gets an infection etc it might not matter. I think if we hear he's been put into an induced coma then we can really talk about him being likely to die.
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Apr 6, 2020 21:58
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I said come in! posted:Maybe, none of this is a guarantee. The ventilator certainly helps with not dying, but at the end of the day there are no drugs or additional help that can be given to fight this virus. It's between your immune system and the virus, and then in the worst cases it becomes your immune system and virus vs. your body. Boris is likely at the point now where his immune system is actively doing more harm than good, its had enough of this virus and is using a scorched earth approach to taking it out. Jose posted:It's a 50% chance even with a ventilator because your lungs and kidneys both pack it in I must admit that I didn't realise that the odds were so bad for 'healthy' people - certainly, the majority of the news reports that describe specific victims has been skewed towards it being more fatal to the 65+ and those with other conditions and the odds were much more favourable for someone who could survive a bout of flu.
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Apr 6, 2020 22:01
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Theres also the allegations that he's a pretty chronic alcoholic. If he is that's going to reduce his chance of survival significantly - apparently the toll corona takes on your liver is one of the ways it ends up killing you.
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Apr 6, 2020 22:01
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He's probably already dead, the Tories have spun everything else their entire lives
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Apr 6, 2020 22:02
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Apr 6, 2020 22:03
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can't believe the antisemitic virus has assassinated Our Lad Bozza like this
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Apr 6, 2020 22:07
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Shut up Meg posted:I must admit that I didn't realise that the odds were so bad for 'healthy' people - certainly, the majority of the news reports that describe specific victims has been skewed towards it being more fatal to the 65+ and those with other conditions and the odds were much more favourable for someone who could survive a bout of flu. Being healthy for sure still helps. Your immune system is far more likely to fight off COVID-19 before it needs to go into panic mode. As you get older, or if your immune system is not as strong for whatever reason, it cant fight off the virus as quickly, the virus takes over and then your immune system goes into overdrive and starts to really gently caress things up. I've had this happen to me due to crohns disease and it is not pleasant.
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Apr 6, 2020 22:07
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Shut up Meg posted:He's not going to die. A ventilator is a ventilator, at the current point most people still get one. Extra nurses and doctors can't do anything to stop it. PPE stops them catching it not him. There is no cure. If the virus wants him - or anyone - they are going to die. This isnt something money or power can protect you from. Pandemics give no shits about capitalism.
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Apr 6, 2020 23:18
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Why are our immune systems such rascals
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Apr 6, 2020 23:21
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allow me to be the first to say - ruh roh
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Apr 6, 2020 23:32
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If Boris dies i think it will confirm in my mind the existence of Satan- this is like the outcome of some Mephistophelian deal BoJo made back when he was 18.
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Apr 6, 2020 23:55
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Drone_Fragger posted:Theres also the allegations that he's a pretty chronic alcoholic. If he is that's going to reduce his chance of survival significantly - apparently the toll corona takes on your liver is one of the ways it ends up killing you. Oh poo poo
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Apr 7, 2020 00:02
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Chrs posted:Oh poo poo Are you regretting taking up the hobby of making models of buses out of empty wine crates?
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Apr 7, 2020 00:05
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Penny for Dominic Cumming's thoughts
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Apr 7, 2020 00:06
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I know, back in the day (and currently, of course) there was a sizable number of people who hated Thatcher and would have taken to the streets in celebration were she to die in office. The same as how we hated Reagan. How is Bojo viewed in comparison? If Thatcher is 100 on the hatred scale...
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Waltzing Along posted:I know, back in the day (and currently, of course) there was a sizable number of people who hated Thatcher and would have taken to the streets in celebration were she to die in office. The same as how we hated Reagan. How is Bojo viewed in comparison? If Thatcher is 100 on the hatred scale... About a 50. I will not mourn him because I am a mentally ill person from the UK who was making good progress into becoming a functional member of society until austerity knocked me flat on my rear end again and now there is no help available. I know there are some people in this thread who might think it's ghoulish to celebrate someones death but him and his ilk have caused anxiety and despair to tens of thousands. Now everyone knows the desperation that the poor, sick and disabled have faced for the past ten years. I'm not going to jump up and down with joy but you've got to understand my lack of sympathy.
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Apr 7, 2020 00:39
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Bojo's just doing what he tells the ladies: Lie on your back and think of England.
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Apr 7, 2020 00:46
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Shut up Meg posted:He's not going to die. Yeah, he'll come back with a few TV appearances talking about being "wobbly and poorly", praise the NHS but do nothing to actually help them and the thick and sentimental will lap up Boris, pulling through this.
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Apr 7, 2020 01:43
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feedmegin posted:Pandemics give no shits about capitalism. Incredibly false.
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Apr 7, 2020 01:54
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Unca Donuwd going to save Boris with his international top genius-men miracle cure juju stick  
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Apr 7, 2020 02:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_k5wb4omCk If you go on a ventilator, you are hosed. No number of antivirals or other measures can help you at that point. If you can't breathe, it means your lungs are hosed, and its just whether or not your lungs can repair themselves enough.
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If he pulls through the Daily Mail will use it as an example of how if you work hard in the face of adversity you will be rewarded, and that it's only poors who never work hard and so hell mend them. Also: "A Free Photo of a Bog Roll for every Reader!'
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Apr 7, 2020 03:56
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So who takes over if he dies? Like, if Trump were to die, we'd get President Pence. Does the Queen just take over?
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Apr 7, 2020 04:02
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spacetoaster posted:So who takes over if he dies? It goes to whoever the next saboteur is that may failed to crush
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Apr 7, 2020 04:03
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spacetoaster posted:Does the Queen just take over? That would be a demotion for the Queen.
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Apr 7, 2020 04:04
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spacetoaster posted:So who takes over if he dies? As an American, I am not well-versed in UK politics. However, I've always understood that parliament elects the prime minister. It's not like POTUS.
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Apr 7, 2020 04:06
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Sneak Lemming posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_k5wb4omCk Mortality stats out of Seattle for critical care admits for this are around 50% You don't go in without the expectation of intubation. Milage may vary because he is Important, but if he's in there for a reason, it's pretty dire.
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Valko posted:About a 50. I will not mourn him because I am a mentally ill person from the UK who was making good progress into becoming a functional member of society until austerity knocked me flat on my rear end again and now there is no help available. I know there are some people in this thread who might think it's ghoulish to celebrate someones death but him and his ilk have caused anxiety and despair to tens of thousands. Now everyone knows the desperation that the poor, sick and disabled have faced for the past ten years. ghoulish? since I heard boris had gone into ICU, I've just been wondering if I can successfully edge all the way until the exact moment that I learn he has died
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Waltzing Along posted:As an American, I am not well-versed in UK politics. However, I've always understood that parliament elects the prime minister. It's not like POTUS. Hmmm, I figure there'd be a sword involved somehow. Either pulled from a stone, or handed to someone by a lady in a lake, or just a good ol' duel. Extremely disappointed.
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