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Can we do a F13 ranking in the same vein as we ranked franchises to get the seeding for this and get a definitive (lol!) forum ranking? Or even do it bracket style to determine a winner though I would like a fully voted on 1-12 ranking better.
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Part 5 is very good but for me personally the fake Jason plus the cliffhanger, "Is Tommy the new Jason?" ending hold it back too much to pass Part 6 as the best.
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Apr 9, 2020 08:41
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I've come to terms that 5 might actually be pretty alright actually. But 6 has and will remain #1, and 5 is still on the bottom of the 'good' ones.
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Apr 9, 2020 09:25
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This is how I rank them. 1. Part 3 (best scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3G_beQccA) 2. Part 4: Final Chapter 3. Jason X 4. FvJ 5. Part 2 6. Part 7: New Blood 7. Friday (2009) 8. Part 6: Jason Lives 9. Part 8: Jason Takes Manhattan 10. Jason Goes to hell 11. Part 5: A New Beginning Unranked: Part 1 (gently caress animal cruelty) e: Jason X is awesome. Good taste is for assholes vvvvv Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Apr 9, 2020 13:59
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If we're doing this: 1. Jason X 2. Part 6: Jason Lives 3. Part 4: Final Chapter 4. Part 2 5. Part 5: A New Beginning 6. Freddy vs. Jason 7. Part 3 8. Part 8: Jason Takes Manhattan 9. Original 10. Jason Goes to Hell 11. Remake 12. Part 7: The New Blood Look, Jason X is just a fuckin' blast. Perfectly blends the humor and the gore, has a Cronenberg cameo, and just has fuckin' fun with the concept. It's not technically the best of the series but it is my favorite.
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Apr 9, 2020 15:17
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1. Part 6 2. Part 4 3. Part 2 4. Part 7 5. Freddy vs Jason 6. Part 1 7. Part 5 8. Remake 9. Part 8 10. Jason X 11. Part 3 12. Goes to hell Part 3 is way too mean-spirited
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Apr 9, 2020 15:32
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oh no
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Apr 9, 2020 15:56
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drat it the virus is spreading
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Apr 9, 2020 16:09
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The best part of any Friday the 13th movie is the fight between the last girl and Jason. Which is why Part 7 and X are the best ones.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:16
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COOL CORN posted:drat it the virus is spreading You're right, I shouldn't have contributed. Besides, this is about a fight versus Friday the 13th as a whole and Saw. Not the Friday series against itself. Anyone voting for Saw who dares show themselves? What's your case I wanna hear it.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:27
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I did not vote for Saw but I do think I can make a case for why someone might vote that way. First, Saw was absolutely a Friday the 13th/Nightmare on Elm Street type phenomenon. It didn't have the staying power, but for a good 3-4 years Saw was THE main horror attraction each year in October. So it's not like you can say Saw was insignificant or didn't have a big impact. Second, the Saw series has been able to morph and evolve to the point that my favorite villain of the series isn't even Jigsaw himself. Other series that have pulled off similar evolutions are usually the better for it. And lastly, some people just prefer a vocal horror villain, and Jason is just not gonna do it for those people. Freddy and Pinhead and Chucky etc., have always been a different vein of monster from Jason and Michael, and Jigsaw is definitely more in that tradition than the silent slasher type.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:38
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Basebf555 posted:I did not vote for Saw but I do think I can make a case for why someone might vote that way. Did it not? There's a new Saw coming out this year. Meanwhile Ft13 and NoES are both dead
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Apr 9, 2020 16:42
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Saw was also incredibly innovative and creative with the contraptions. The original is quite good at probing morality and the human will to survive, even if the sequels lose the plot there. Plus, as much as it's derided, Torture Porn is a pretty significant period in horror film history and one that's is well worthy of study (and it certainly has been). It really has strong political roots in the Bush administration and the genres evolution alongside the revelations about the War on Terror represent a mainstreaming of American violence in unprecedented extremes. As horror movie nerds, we can debate the entertainment value of the Saw movies and the pillar that is the Fridays, but culturally Saw (and Hostel) are undeniably touchstones of an era. TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Apr 9, 2020 16:43
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Gripweed posted:Did it not? There's a new Saw coming out this year. Meanwhile Ft13 and NoES are both dead I mean as far as how immensely popular it was and the media coverage it got and the box office it was able to do during those first few years. People forget how huge it was. But it hasn't maintained that level of interest since those first few years. Saw 2 and 3 did like 150 million each, but then by Saw 6 they were down to like 60-70 mil so interest really tailed off. But they obviously all made big profits, because they aren't expensive movies to make. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Apr 9, 2020 16:44
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Saw and Friday the 13 are an interesting match up, since both were series that attempted to pump out sequels, for better or worse, every year, Fridays for the summer and a Saw every October.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:45
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Slashers generally aren't my thing, so the only one I've seen is Part 3 because a girlfriend took me to a 3D showing. It was fun, but I didn't really feel the need to see more from that universe. It's probably an objectively bad opinion. But torture porn isn't my thing at all so I went with Friday. e: overall my criteria for voting is somewhere between "Which of these two would I most want to revisit?" and "Which of these would I choose to keep if I had to erase the other from history?" Makes it pretty simple, as you can weigh 1 great film in a series against 5 solid films in another without too much hemming and hawing. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Apr 9, 2020 17:20
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TrixRabbi posted:Anyone voting for Saw who dares show themselves? What's your case I wanna hear it. Friday the 13th was a decent slasher with a neat twist (it's his mom!). Then the series almost immediately devolves into self-parody. Every movie looks like poo poo, it's all badly-lit, terrible audio and barely in focus. They didn't have to be good because they were automatic moneymakers for the boobs and blood in a time (the early-mid 80s) when you couldn't go to rotten.com or pornhub. Jason's history, timeline, and powers all wildly fluctuate with every new writer, characters arrive and leave the franchise willy-nilly, and (most amazingly) a guy who's a Jason Hunter shows up in Goes to Hell with no preamble or reasoning. If you (like me) watched GtH on a whim after seeing only youtube kill compilations of the earlier ones besides 1 & 2, you would be forgiven for being utterly confused who this guy in a trenchcoat and floppy hat is. SAW was a decent slasher with a neat twist (Jigsaw was in the middle of the room the whole time!), but instead of not caring about the lore, it cares entirely too much, and other than what is essentially an asset-flip sequel in II (that still manages to have one of the most upsetting kills in the "Needle Box") every moment of SAW is so meticulously plotted and kept in continuity it almost devolves into parody itself. And you have to respect SAW for a couple more reasons, beyond its absurd dedication to its own stupid, stupid lore:
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TheKingslayer posted:Part 5 is very good but for me personally the fake Jason plus the cliffhanger, "Is Tommy the new Jason?" ending hold it back too much to pass Part 6 as the best. If Tommy had actually become the new Jason as planned that ending would be fine. It's only bad because you get to the sequel and Tommy is not only still not evil, he's apparently made a complete recovery offscreen and is just a normal guy now.
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Lurdiak posted:If Tommy had actually become the new Jason as planned that ending would be fine. It's only bad because you get to the sequel and Tommy is not only still not evil, he's apparently made a complete recovery offscreen and is just a normal guy now. And even though every character is like "That Jarvis guy is crazy!" it's never a question at all to the audience, and in fact we are defensive along with Tommy. Which, I like Tommy Jarvis and I prefer Part 6's energetic Jarvis to Part 5's silent weirdo, but it does create a weird disconnect between the 2nd direct continuation of the series.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:51
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Friday the 13th Part 6 is them realizing Friday the 13th is for children, and it's better because of it.
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I'm a SAW over Friday voter. I think anyone who has heard my opinions on Jason before knows that I just don't like the series or character and I acknowledge its just a subjective taste thing and respect that others do. I do enjoy stuff in the franchise but at its best for me its either a parody of itself or a by the numbers slasher. The SAW franchise went off the rails and got self important and I never finished it, but I did enjoy it when it started and think it did some creative and interesting things and basically kicked off a horror fad/subgenre. I don't expect SAW to win and I don't see a ton of point in arguing against Friday now instead of saving that stuff for a tougher matchup. But yeah, I voted SAW.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:14
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STAC Goat posted:I'm a SAW over Friday voter. I think there's a real point against Friday the 13th in that the iconic version of the character that has the most legacy is really the one from the SIXTH movie forward, and the iconic performance of the character doesn't start until the SEVENTH movie forward. I voted Friday but it was close for me and I think I may need to go change it.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:55
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Sarx posted:I think there's a real point against Friday the 13th in that the iconic version of the character that has the most legacy is really the one from the SIXTH movie forward, and the iconic performance of the character doesn't start until the SEVENTH movie forward. Hodder is only "iconic" because he's been selling himself to fans for decades at cons and stuff. That's cool in and of itself, but I don't think he's the best Jason. Also, you get full hockey mask Jason in part 3 -yes he's not technically a full zombie there but he's close enough. I mean he'd been "killed" twice at that point, he never talks and he looked like a monster. For me, all the dumb self-help cult stuff in Saw is enough for me to vote against it. That and the tedious convolution of the plot across all the sequels. That poo poo straight up sucks.
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Apr 9, 2020 19:08
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My favourite Jason is Part 2/3/4 era. There's something human, relatable, and feral about him. He's just a big, adorable, easily-confused momma's boy. Then all of that character building is gone once he turns into a zombie, except of course for the end of Manhattan.
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Sarx posted:I think there's a real point against Friday the 13th in that the iconic version of the character that has the most legacy is really the one from the SIXTH movie forward, and the iconic performance of the character doesn't start until the SEVENTH movie forward. I disagree, in that the Hockey mask is introduced in Part 3, and that design is pretty consistent until Part 7, when Kane Hodder made him full-on hulking zombie. Part 3 is also bigger than 2 or 6.  Part 4's mask is regularly made by fans for cosplay/DIY projects, moreso than 3 or 6's. Jason doesn't seem much bigger, but the camera makes sure to always look up at him, making him more intimidating. Part 4 is also the design used for Friday the 13th The Game.  Burlap Sack from Part 2 is still a popular character design as evidenced by action figures and costumes, and Kane Hodder's performance as "best" is self-inflated. (Even if it is stolen from The Town That Dreaded Sundown)  Part 6 Jason is really frumpy looking. Sequences like the paint ball scene are really silly look compared to Hodder's Part 7. Plus, it's just a rehash of Part 4 with someone with a slightly smaller body type. Part 6 does a lot right, but it's honestly one of my least favorite Jason designs.  Jason killed this guy after he asked "Voorhees, do you even lift?" I will admit, Part 7's Jason looks amazing, but director John Carl Buechler got his start in special effects and made sure Jason's design was really articulate. So even then, Hodder's performance was enhanced by a director and costume designer that knew what they were doing.  Freddy Vs. Jason's Jason is also awesome and better than Hodders in Part 8 & 9. It built on "giant angry Jason" that Hodder made, but gave him a few extra inches. The Reboot did the same, but Jason's bod's a bit more slim, given how tall he is.   Part 5's Jason won't be discussed, since it's actually just Roy. It's all to taste, for sure, but I think it's a point in Jason's favor that we can argue which is our preferred design separate from which film they appear in. Plenty will tell you Part 7 has the best design even if they hate the movie. FvJ has issues, but it's not the Jason design. And I love Burlap Sack hillbilly Jason, it's a creepy design. They even still use it for Halloween Horror Nights Friday the 13th houses!
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I think the weird thing about Friday--and something to hold against the series--is that Jason is only his platonic ideal in 4. He gets the mask in 3, but he has that sort of hunched over look, is actually kind of nasty, and doesn't seem that strong. 4 is him hulking, unstoppable but still human, and with the hockey mask the whole time. As an aside, one thing I love that his mask has continuity. He has the notch in it from the ax in Part 3 and the side is destroyed in Part 7 and 8 from the motor in 6. They start walking it back in 8.
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Apr 9, 2020 19:48
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Don't get caught up in all the hype and bluster that Hodder builds up around himself. Or I guess sometimes it's the media or whatever writing articles and features that always seem to be focused on Hodder because he's the one who played Jason the most. Jason was iconic before Hodder ever played him. The hockey mask is the thing.
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Basebf555 posted:Don't get caught up in all the hype and bluster that Hodder builds up around himself. Or I guess sometimes it's the media or whatever writing articles and features that always seem to be focused on Hodder because he's the one who played Jason the most. Fair. I just mean that if you can name AN actor who played Jason, it's an actor who didn't play him until part 7. I also meant that when people think of Jason, at least in the circles I generally travel in, it's slow deliberate invincible undead Jason, and that doesn't come until part 6, not necessarily the specific look, which I will admit is not the best in 6, or the general look of hockey mask, which yes, does start in 3. Regardless, I voted for Friday the 13th. I think its legacy speaks for itself even if it's movies are all over the board in terms of quality, and when you're doing a rewatch there's nothing that's so bad that it's hard to get through. Saw 3D is absolutely heinous and no low point in the Friday series even comes close.
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Basebf555 posted:Don't get caught up in all the hype and bluster that Hodder builds up around himself. Or I guess sometimes it's the media or whatever writing articles and features that always seem to be focused on Hodder because he's the one who played Jason the most. The In Voorhees We Trust podcast is really funny about this, because they have to bring up Hodder a lot. They don't talk poo poo about his performance, but they acknowledge his self-made hype as "The Best Jason" and politely deflate it often. It's not like he's Robert Englund, you know. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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I am on Team 5. The best 3 are 2, 5, and 4 in that order. 5 is just ridiculous and silly.
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Part 5 also does a great trick where it breaks the unspoken rules of slasher movies where there's a wanton on screen murder by someone who's not the main killer. I'm sure there's some other examples, but it's so jarring. I mean, I think 5 pisses people off cause the twist is dumb as gently caress, but it's solidly made, fun, has some good suspense and kills. Totally fine movie.
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2 to 6 is a great slasher run and I think they're all great, with 2 being the best and most effective and either 4 or 6 being the most fun.
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TrixRabbi posted:Part 5 also does a great trick where it breaks the unspoken rules of slasher movies where there's a wanton on screen murder by someone who's not the main killer. I'm sure there's some other examples, but it's so jarring. As Friends Are Evil pointed out in the April Challenge thread, it's also directed by a director who worked in porn, which gives it a weird sense of sleaze in addition to the cocaine-fueled feeling it all has. It's unique to the series in that way, and I think that goes into how polarizing it is, cuz that won't appeal to everyone. Usually slashers get into sleaziness in a way that I find off-putting--misogynistic, or kinda of fetishizing things--but Friday 5 feels more like someone put a slasher in an 80's softcore porn, and that has it's own weird charm. The neon also makes it more unique among the earth tones of the previous films.
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I just watched Cube and Cube Zero. Cube I thought was a really fun, nice little bottle movie. It had the feel of an intimate student film, or stage play. I hated the dramatic shaky camera during the Doctor's death, it reminded me of Star Trek in a bad way. The practical effects were really nice. All in all I enjoyed myself, and thought maybe the Universal monsters would have some competition. Then I watched Cube Zero, and now I'm voting for the Universal monsters.
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I do think its funny that we're all so pathological that even in a discussion of "Jason vs X" it keeps coming back to "Which Jason is your favorite?"
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I just watched Cube and Cube Zero. Cube I thought was a really fun, nice little bottle movie. It had the feel of an intimate student film, or stage play. I hated the dramatic shaky camera during the Doctor's death, it reminded me of Star Trek in a bad way. The practical effects were really nice. All in all I enjoyed myself, and thought maybe the Universal monsters would have some competition. Then I watched Cube Zero, and now I'm voting for the Universal monsters. Believe it or not, Cube 2 is actually worse than Cube Zero. Cube is legitimately a perfect movie and it should've been left alone to be its own thing because it's great.
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One thing that Cube did that I don't recall seeing before, is that it explicitly states that there is no grand plan, no observer, no conspiracy. It's all just a Godless universe, and incredibly complex evil systems can just emerge and trap people mindlessly. The implication being that we're all creating metaphorical cubes for ourselves and others in our daily lives. Everytime we go to work, or buy a coffee, we're materially contributing to the misery in world. Then Cube Zero says nah forget that, here is a million layers of weak universe building negating all that, have fun. They do melt a dude within the first ten minutes though, so that's fun. Is guess Cube 2 is more of the same?
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:One thing that Cube did that I don't recall seeing before, is that it explicitly states that there is no grand plan, no observer, no conspiracy. It's all just a Godless universe, and incredibly complex evil systems can just emerge and trap people mindlessly. The implication being that we're all creating metaphorical cubes for ourselves and others in our daily lives. Everytime we go to work, or buy a coffee, we're materially contributing to the misery in world. Then Cube Zero says nah forget that, here is a million layers of weak universe building negating all that, have fun. They do melt a dude within the first ten minutes though, so that's fun. Is guess Cube 2 is more of the same? Cube 2 is about a "4th dimensional cube" where time becomes part of the trap. It's a bunch of garish nonsense but it does use the time thing to kill one character like 20 times for laughs, which is pretty great.
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STAC Goat posted:I do think its funny that we're all so pathological that even in a discussion of "Jason vs X" it keeps coming back to "Which Jason is your favorite?" It's tradition.
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One of the best parts of the Ft13 franchise is that from Jason's perspective, the events of Part 2 through Part 8 are like, a week. Parts 2, 3, and 4 are direct continuations of each other and take place from Friday to I think Monday. And then Jason's dead until part 6, dead between parts 6 and 7, and dead between parts 7 and 8. Starting from Part 2, Jason just kills and kills and kills on a nonstop murder spree until he gets melted by radioactive waste into a non-disabled child in a Manhattan sewer
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