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They got banned for being an rear end in a top hat, and the stalking came up during one of the qcs threads.
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Apr 13, 2020 09:58
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If saying Trump should be removed is considered a threat, I think mods might be interested in looking into what's going on in a little forum called C-SPAM, lmao. But then, I suppose, vaginal vore constitutes a more credible threat than guillotines.
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Hub Cat posted:They got banned for being an rear end in a top hat, and the stalking came up during one of the qcs threads. ah, gross
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Paladinus posted:If saying Trump should be removed is considered a threat, I think mods might be interested in looking into what's going on in a little forum called C-SPAM, lmao. But then, I suppose, vaginal vore constitutes a more credible threat than guillotines. That's not what she got permabanned for.
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Apr 13, 2020 10:46
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Avs possesses the unique gift of making insufferable blowhards lose their poo poo at mere mention of her. It's just too bad she is attracted to pushing the doomsday shitpost button like a moth to a flame.
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Apr 13, 2020 11:29
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Avs is funny but her sycophantic hangers-on are terrible.
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Apr 13, 2020 11:32
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FuturePastNow posted:I'm allergic to soybean oil. I could probably commit suicide by mayo Make it into a delicious, healthy salad instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE_t5WfH-So
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barbecue at the folks posted:It's just too bad she is attracted to pushing the doomsday shitpost button like a moth to a flame. Ah well, best overturn the perma. It's been a few hours, they've learned their lesson 
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Apr 13, 2020 15:24
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Peanut Butler posted:they were really irritating about it, hammering out that poo poo constantly and not saving it for special rare moments, and also BotL seemed to hate everyone and pick sincere arguments There was nothing sincere about BotL. They were shitflinging in threads where you could click the “their posts” button and see that they used to have tons of posts praising whatever it was that they were telling people they were morons for enjoying. They just decided to be an insufferable scold online for a year or two before they got perma’d, it was the worst.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:30
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Avs is funny but her sycophantic hangers-on are terrible. Avs is great because she gets mods to drop the act of pretending to be the least bit partial. Turns out you can get away with spamming underage fart erotica in a mental health support thread + dozens of other threads and have your permabans over-turned if you make mods laugh once in a while.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:43
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Having mod friends is a good idea.
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Apr 13, 2020 15:48
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honestly at this point each permaban needs to be considered on the merits of if the something awful community can handle the drop in traffic
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Apr 13, 2020 15:52
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Obviously as a member of the moderation/administration team I have a horse in this race, but I don't think that is especially fair, Frank. Giving Avshalom another chance may have been a bad call, but the idea of sometimes extending the benefit of the doubt to someone a team member thinks might deserve it strikes me as an unfair reason to sit in judgment (although, I will admit, understandable). The occasional choice influenced by our personal feelings is because we are human and we form fondnesses and emotional attachments just like everybody else. Conversely, we have all had to probate or even ban personal friends at one time or another. After my adminship I began to need to do this a lot. A few times I've accepted a punishment on a specific person that I not only knew irl several years ago but had a raging crush on, lol.
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Apr 13, 2020 16:00
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I don't think anyone should get a pass on perma-level stuff because they post funny or interesting stuff elsewhere on the forums, or that the forums should be a popularity contest, but at least when I'm thinking past permabans, I'm thinking of someone like PCOS BILL who had thousands of irredeemably garbage bigoted posts, or Jastiger who kept creeping on Goons in PMs, or Snatch Duster who sent PMs to a trans poster where he urged them to kill themselves, and like a dozen or two of actual real-life abusers. Banning for spamming and being disruptive is fine, but I don't really think that Avs belong in a group with posters like PCOS Bill, Jastiger, Snatch Duster and others who are so actively malicious that giving them leeway just isn't worthwhile.
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Apr 13, 2020 16:06
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I'm pretty annoyed right now that she wasn't able to behave a little bit better right at the outset, but I legitimately don't see how the post that she was permanently banned for again is a threat. There are plenty of things that I think should be done at any cost, but I'm not going to do them, I don't have any plans to do them, and a post isn't incitement for them to be done. She needs a break for a while though.
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Grandmother of Five posted:I don't think anyone should get a pass on perma-level stuff because they post funny or interesting stuff elsewhere on the forums, or that the forums should be a popularity contest, but at least when I'm thinking past permabans, I'm thinking of someone like PCOS BILL who had thousands of irredeemably garbage bigoted posts, or Jastiger who kept creeping on Goons in PMs, or Snatch Duster who sent PMs to a trans poster where he urged them to kill themselves, and like a dozen or two of actual real-life abusers. Posting underage fart porn in a mental health thread because you’re ~so weird~ is a pretty poo poo move. You can do lovely things that are worth getting the door without being an ongoing one-poster klan rally.
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Apr 13, 2020 16:10
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But among other things, even implying to be threatening a president is just unhelpful. At the very best it is posturing.
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Obviously as a member of the moderation/administration team I have a horse in this race, but I don't think that is especially fair, Frank. Giving Avshalom another chance may have been a bad call, but the idea of extending the benefit of the doubt to someone a team member thinks might deserve it strikes me as an unfair reason to sit in judgment. The occasional choice influenced by our personal feelings is because we are human and we form fondnesses and emotional attachments just like everybody else. Conversely, we have all had to probate or even ban personal friends at one time or another. After my adminship I began to need to do this a lot. A few times I've accepted a punishment on a specific person that I not only knew irl several years ago but had a raging crush on, lol. This is a lot of words to say that you got the initial perma overturned just because you were friends with them.
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Apr 13, 2020 16:17
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I'm not  We have never spoken.
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I'm fine with mods being a bit partial and making some 'objectively' inadvised personal judgment calls every once in a while. It keeps things interesting and fun, even when it leads to a bit of chaos. Most of all SA is not a Social Media and definitely not a democracy. Keep up the good work, Bird, you're a good mod!
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Apr 13, 2020 16:41
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luxury handset posted:honestly at this point each permaban needs to be considered on the merits of if the something awful community can handle the drop in traffic A quick look at the search term analytics for incoming traffic (e.g. "fart") should help quantify this
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Apr 13, 2020 16:45
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barbecue at the folks posted:Keep up the good work, Bird, you're a good mod! Thank you, I truly appreciate that
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my personal opinion is that the biggest motivatior of strife over avs' ambiguous perma status is just "the RULES clearly STATE that" which seems at odds to me to the sort of barely managed chaos of something awful moderation, it's a tough job because someone will always be mad at any decision you make and probably send you tubgirl pics or post your job's office number about it
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But I ask you, what is a permaban? Webster’s defines a permaban as a ban that is unturnoverable. That is UNTURNOVERABLE!
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Apr 13, 2020 16:52
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Grandmother of Five posted:I don't think anyone should get a pass on perma-level stuff because they post funny or interesting stuff elsewhere on the forums, or that the forums should be a popularity contest, but at least when I'm thinking past permabans, I'm thinking of someone like PCOS BILL who had thousands of irredeemably garbage bigoted posts, or Jastiger who kept creeping on Goons in PMs, or Snatch Duster who sent PMs to a trans poster where he urged them to kill themselves, and like a dozen or two of actual real-life abusers. tbh I just think avs should be regular banned for all the poo poo she does but I think people jump the gun to permas because it's avs they're dealing with
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oldpainless posted:But I ask you, what is a permaban? Webster’s defines a permaban as a ban that is unturnoverable. That is UNTURNOVERABLE! Could Lowtax create a permaban so permanent he himself could not overturn it? 🤔
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Yeah most of what she does is just quirky and I don't know why it's of significant offense to anyone. Preferring above all the people who follow all the rules but don't really contribute or produce, is much more dangerous for the ultimate environment of the site.
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Apr 13, 2020 16:58
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As I'm apparently a card-carrying Avshalom Defender by this point I gotta say I would not have been surprised if the stated reason for her latest perma to have just been "we're tired of re-litigating this poo poo, go away" And nobody could really fault that logic
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Pick posted:Yeah most of what she does is just quirky and I don't know why it's of significant offense to anyone. Preferring above all the people who follow all the rules but don't really contribute or produce, is much more dangerous for the ultimate environment of the site. Posting underage porn with the only defense being 'well, I didn't vet the fart stories I posted all over the forum' is pretty hosed up though. posting pedo poo poo should be a permaban. And 'well I didn't actually read the poo poo I copy/pasted' should not be a defense.
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It's literally tamer than Totally Spies, it's just a easy gotcha to feel morally superior. It was a whoops copy-paste. Do you really think Avs is a pedo, was promoting pedophilia, or that any pedo things occurred as a result of posts no one reads on a forum no one reads getting reposted from deviant art? I mean get real, seriously.
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Apr 13, 2020 17:13
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We permanently banned people because they rape children. Conflating those two things is just taking advantage of rhetorical bait-and-switches and is no way indicative of any interest or acknowledgement of real harm/abuse or what it looks like.
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If this becomes the It's Okay to Threaten the President website, Something Awful won't last long before Lowtax decides it's not worth it anymore. Regardless of how low your opinion of Trump is, Lowtax is not in any position to fight the US Government. Go plot revolution somewhere else.
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Saying that “we perma people who have done insane hosed up stuff” as a reason to not perma someone doesn’t make sense. It’s not like there’s higher punishments, it’s gonna have a pretty wide range of people getting hit by it. You’re looking at the ceiling and saying it should be the floor. Like, people have also been perma’d for being aggravating dickwads. Nobody wants Bravest of the Lamps to be unperma’d because he didn’t drive to your house and kill your dog.
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Pick posted:We permanently banned people because they rape children. Conflating those two things is just taking advantage of rhetorical bait-and-switches and is no way indicative of any interest or acknowledgement of real harm/abuse or what it looks like. Both things can still be wrong and deemed worthy of a permaban. This isn't a zero sum game where all permas must meet the standard of "actual rapist" or be disqualified.
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Pick posted:It's literally tamer than Totally Spies, it's just a easy gotcha to feel morally superior. It was a whoops copy-paste. Do you really think Avs is a pedo, was promoting pedophilia, or that any pedo things occurred as a result of posts no one reads on a forum no one reads getting reposted from deviant art? I mean get real, seriously. Goons can have little a underage fart porn, as a treat
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VanSandman posted:If this becomes the It's Okay to Threaten the President website, Something Awful won't last long before Lowtax decides it's not worth it anymore. Look at the current one, that's no worse than you see in CSPAM every day. But still it's why I think she needs a break for a while because if nothing else she needs to know she needs to take a step back from the ledge. That said, permas aren't for whoopsies. If someone recreated the PBF comic with a kid running in the background it would be equally dumb to not just have a mod edit it out. This has routinely been the policy with, for example, memes that are offensive that were not realized to be offensive by the poster.
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Fairies aren't real but we still permabanned the dude who posted his 100 page book on how to torture then.
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This wouldn't have happened if instead of having a separate mental health thread in TFR they stickied a link to the thread in c-spam. I'm mostly kidding though.
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Zore posted:Fairies aren't real but we still permabanned the dude who posted his 100 page book on how to torture then. Iirc this was also (primarily?) because he was sexually creeping on his sister.
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