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The only good ships from modern sci Fi that look nice are the Rocinante from Expanse or that pursuit ship from Killjoys.
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I just can’t get over how bad Rikers fleet looks. Like could they seriously not get more than one class of ship? That alone would’ve been a huge help
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Apr 14, 2020 02:21
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Very Michael Chabonisly: Uh, actually, there are three or four different class of ships, if you consider their loadouts* *A thing that makes no visual difference to the ship and absolutely no one noticed
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Apr 14, 2020 02:29
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I mean, that is something that even loving JJ understood about Star Trek. You got to see a lot of different ships, and even if the differences weren't huge, they made the scene visually interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL4APwW3uxM There have been good ship designs, but they are few and far between. Battlestar Galactica really did a good job aesthetically:  However, I think they could have borrowed more from the original design: 
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Apr 14, 2020 02:59
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Bogus Adventure posted:I mean, that is something that even loving JJ understood about Star Trek. You got to see a lot of different ships, and even if the differences weren't huge, they made the scene visually interesting. Nah, I don't think they could've. Part of the new BSG is making it actually look and work as a functional interstellar warship, which is how you end up with a flying sloped brick of a thing that makes a direct impact from weaponry, instead of glancing strikes off the curves, hard to achieve. The old Galactica is a big fat target by comparison.
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Apr 14, 2020 03:08
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I like the original ship a bit better because it has texture, bumps, and things sticking out of the ship. It makes it look more like a starship and less like a torpedo. However, to each their own, and I can appreciate the tactical nature of the redesign.
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Apr 14, 2020 03:10
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I think the interiors of the ships on BSG were the best spaceship interiors of the last 20 years of sci-fi.
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Apr 14, 2020 03:46
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I havent watched BSG but I like the older design because it's a big chonkey boi
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Apr 14, 2020 04:14
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I've been watching Castlevania, and it has Jason Isaacs as a character in Season 3. He's so loving good in it, being able to play a severe head of a town and yet include a thoughtful and kind side. He could have made a really good as Captain Lorca if Discovery had any interest in exploring subtle themes beyond Deep State Conspiracies. However, there I go again. Complaining about Star Trek because I love Star Trek. I want to love you so bad, Star Trek, but you have hurt me in oh so many ways. Rainbow Remans, Big Data, Double-Dicked Klingons, the establishment of Section 31 as commonplace information...
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Apr 14, 2020 04:30
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Bogus Adventure posted:I mean, that is something that even loving JJ understood about Star Trek. You got to see a lot of different ships, and even if the differences weren't huge, they made the scene visually interesting. I know it looks good to have the windows on the model lit up, but these windows are so bright it looks like the sun is inside the ship.
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Apr 14, 2020 05:00
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Danaru posted:I havent watched BSG but I like the older design because it's a big chonkey boi BSG goes down the toilet in season 3 because of the writer's strike, and still fumbles a lot in season 4, but it is legitimately still one of the best shows of the past 20 years because of its better episodes and well worth your time watching. Bogus Adventure posted:I like the original ship a bit better because it has texture, bumps, and things sticking out of the ship. It makes it look more like a starship and less like a torpedo. However, to each their own, and I can appreciate the tactical nature of the redesign. While there's legitimate reasons for the redesign, I've got nothing against the original Galactica as its own thing and I love me some 1970's/80's starships with surface kibble.
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Apr 14, 2020 05:11
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Arcsquad12 posted:The only good ships from modern sci Fi that look nice are the Rocinante from Expanse or that pursuit ship from Killjoys. The Donnager is up there in looks also and it was captained by Jean Yoon playing a stone cold fox captain. Bogus Adventure posted:I mean, that is something that even loving JJ understood about Star Trek. You got to see a lot of different ships, and even if the differences weren't huge, they made the scene visually interesting. lol gently caress Lens Flare the Movie This is how you do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXsca2Qj6Bg
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Apr 14, 2020 05:14
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Arcsquad12 posted:The only good ships from modern sci Fi that look nice are the Rocinante from Expanse or that pursuit ship from Killjoys. How the loving dare you bring up Killjoys and not mention the loveliest lady in the show of all; Lucy  .
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Apr 14, 2020 05:22
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Fabulousity posted:lol gently caress Lens Flare the Movie I 100% agree, especially with James Horner scoring that glorious shot of starship porn.
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Apr 14, 2020 05:41
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Bogus Adventure posted:but you have hurt me in oh so many ways ... Double-Dicked Klingons Whoa whoa whoa if you view this as anything but 100% star trek and awesome we're gonna have words. Angry words.
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Apr 14, 2020 06:23
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Neddy Seagoon posted:How the loving dare you bring up Killjoys and not mention the loveliest lady in the show of all; Lucy If we're talking about Killjoys now, I never had anywhere to rant about how the show made a big mistake when they abandoned the bounty hunter angle and went full alien invasion plot from the second season onward.
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Apr 14, 2020 06:53
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God the sound effects in that Picard sequence are so bad. The most advanced and heavily armed Starfleet ships ever arrive to the rescue *prrt prrt prrt prrt handheld Galaga toy sounds* Too bad the fight didn't actually happen, we could've heard them break out the slide whistles and kazoos
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Apr 14, 2020 07:02
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Bogus Adventure posted:I mean, that is something that even loving JJ understood about Star Trek. You got to see a lot of different ships, and even if the differences weren't huge, they made the scene visually interesting. If you've never played Battlestar Galactica: Deadlock, they have been adding a lot of new Battlestar designs, and one of them was the based around the original show's design and another one was the Jupiter Class refit that was an interim between the old show and the new show. Cool game. Turn based combat with an Empire at War style cinematic camera that shows off the battle once you've completed an engagement. Besides the Pegasus is the best looking ship, despite having crappy interior sets. The CGI model looks like a pissed of metal alligator coming to rip your head off.
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Apr 14, 2020 07:53
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Arcsquad12 posted:Besides the Pegasus is the best looking ship, despite having crappy interior sets. The CGI model looks like a pissed of metal alligator coming to rip your head off. I really wish they'd gotten a budget for a full range of sets for the Pegasus instead of just "A corridor, a corridor with a glass meeting room off it we used for the CIC, a generic room, and the Captain's Quarters" reused from a dead Lost in Space pilot. They really looked awful compared to the extensive work put into building the Galactica's interior.
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Apr 14, 2020 08:05
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Off topic but does anyone else find it amusing that chief O'Brien has had more active combat duty than Worf? Worf got posted to the enterprise and then to DS9 in his career in Starfleet, while O'Brien fought in the cardassian border wars, several years of dangerous situations on the enterprise, and then in multiple skirmishes with the Dominion before the Dominion War even began.
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Apr 14, 2020 08:11
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Arcsquad12 posted:Off topic but does anyone else find it amusing that chief O'Brien has had more active combat duty than Worf? Worf got posted to the enterprise and then to DS9 in his career in Starfleet, while O'Brien fought in the cardassian border wars, several years of dangerous situations on the enterprise, and then in multiple skirmishes with the Dominion before the Dominion War even began. O'Brien never asked to be called a "warrior". But you don't hear anybody calling Worf the hero of Setlik 3. Beam some people up and down? Aye, sir. Kill some Cardies? Aye, sir. Replace the self-sealing stem bolts in junction 14-B? Aye, sir. Just doing his job, quiet and professional, waiting until retirement and all that sweet, sweet kayaking
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Apr 14, 2020 08:21
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Worf was there for show. Would you rather have a burly, constant stink eye throwing growling, one hit and you are down forever, scary motherfucker behind you as your chief of security when you are meeting the enemy. Or a middle aged man whose default setting is wincing, not knowing if hes trying to get out a fart or trying to read what is on the screen.
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Apr 14, 2020 08:27
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Bogus Adventure posted:Okay, so I haven't watched anything about Picard because I couldn't care less about the shitshow that is the state of Trek, but this video of Acting Captain William T. Riker acting like a boss popped up on my YouTube feed: Finally around to watching the last ep of Picard, and I think that bridge set is actually Discovery's going by the general dimensions of the room. edit: Why are they making a bigt deal of Data being alive in a quantum simulation and not downloading him into a new body like Picard?  Also hello leading into season 2 with ripping off the start of Mass Effect 2, I guess. Neddy Seagoon fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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Apr 14, 2020 09:17
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Bogus Adventure posted:Okay, so I haven't watched anything about Picard because I couldn't care less about the shitshow that is the state of Trek, but this video of Acting Captain William T. Riker acting like a boss popped up on my YouTube feed: they're filmed for interpolative tv (a huge mistake, only made by people who are completely out of touch and no longer care about building their reputation) stupid people (like my parents) PREFER interpolative tv i guess its easier to say just say that old people prefer it and we all suffer
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Apr 14, 2020 10:03
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Finally around to watching the last ep of Picard, and I think that bridge set is actually Discovery's going by the general dimensions of the room. Wow, they really are creatively bankrupt. I'm comfortable never watching these shows, lmao.
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Apr 14, 2020 10:09
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Arcsquad12 posted:Off topic but does anyone else find it amusing that chief O'Brien has had more active combat duty than Worf? Worf got posted to the enterprise and then to DS9 in his career in Starfleet, while O'Brien fought in the cardassian border wars, several years of dangerous situations on the enterprise, and then in multiple skirmishes with the Dominion before the Dominion War even began. Yeah it's pretty nuts how much action he's seen. O'Brien has an impressive record, especially for an enlisted serviceman and despite all he's been through he shows so much respect for command and is quite a humble man. I wonder if the writers accidentally made his time on the enterprise an opportunity to settle back into a more family friendly environment while still being able to serve starfleet after everything he went through against the Cardassians. I also liked how Worf respected him, like when O'Brien taught him some tricks in getting crew members motivated to do their jobs and not just to scare the poo poo out of them to get work done. Neddy Seagoon posted:Finally around to watching the last ep of Picard, and I think that bridge set is actually Discovery's going by the general dimensions of the room. You've got a good eye, it was just a redress of the set. I'm so unsure about what they were trying to achieve with Data, the scenes between him and Picard were the best parts of the show, but either I stopped caring and missed something critical, or the eriters had no clue, but the whole point of Data's significance after finding a planet of Soong type Androids wasn't quite clear to me. Was the message that we have to die and become robots to appreciate the last wishes of our lost friends? snickothemule fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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Apr 14, 2020 10:27
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Admiralty Flag posted:O'Brien never asked to be called a "warrior". But you don't hear anybody calling Worf the hero of Setlik 3. O'Brien keeps quiet about his past because he knows that if he's too vocal about it, someone may figure out his terrible secret: he loves killing and will never stop.
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Apr 14, 2020 10:50
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just one last kill 
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Apr 14, 2020 11:09
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snickothemule posted:I'm so unsure about what they were trying to achieve with Data, the scenes between him and Picard were the best parts of the show, but either I stopped caring and missed something critical, or the eriters had no clue, but the whole point of Data's significance after finding a planet of Soong type Androids wasn't quite clear to me. Was the message that we have to die and become robots to appreciate the last wishes of our lost friends? I don’t think the writers had any idea in general what issue they were trying to address with the focus on Data and synthetic life. You’ve got Data, who is unique as well as being a friend, but then you also have mass produced androids, and the concept of androids being produced in pairs, and you start off with the concept of Dahj being Data’s daughter but (leaving aside how that concept is not really interesting for anyone who watched TNG) the connotations of a uniquely synthetic lifeform having a daughter who is indistinguishable from a real human is very weird when synthetic lifeforms usually signify “humanity’s children” anyway, and then there’s the Borg, and then Picard becomes a robot who’s indistinguishable from a human too, and blehhhhh They just jammed every kind of robot in, nothing means anything
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Apr 14, 2020 11:11
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snickothemule posted:I'm so unsure about what they were trying to achieve with Data, the scenes between him and Picard were the best parts of the show, but either I stopped caring and missed something critical, or the eriters had no clue, but the whole point of Data's significance after finding a planet of Soong type Androids wasn't quite clear to me. Was the message that we have to die and become robots to appreciate the last wishes of our lost friends? I'd say it's the last point, because they seemed desperate to force a way through to Mass Effect 2's starting point, and having Data back would be Star Trek and not Mass Effect and they're just not equipped to deviate from their stolen script. At this point I fully expect a second season to be framed around "Picard must work with snickothemule posted:You've got a good eye, it was just a redress of the set. Thanks!  It's actually easy to guess though; What is a large existing set they could use, fulfills the same roll with minimal redress, and the show's not in current production (to my knowledge)?Prism Mirror Lens posted:I don’t think the writers had any idea in general what issue they were trying to address with the focus on Data and synthetic life. You’ve got Data, who is unique as well as being a friend, but then you also have mass produced androids, and the concept of androids being produced in pairs, and you start off with the concept of Dahj being Data’s daughter but (leaving aside how that concept is not really interesting for anyone who watched TNG) the connotations of a uniquely synthetic lifeform having a daughter who is indistinguishable from a real human is very weird when synthetic lifeforms usually signify “humanity’s children” anyway, and then there’s the Borg, and then Picard becomes a robot who’s indistinguishable from a human too, and blehhhhh Not quite. One of the Big Event things of synthetic life in any sci-fi isn't just that they exist but when they start reproducing on their own, indistinguishable from human or not. The whole "We made a robot Picard Copy to replace the dead one, but he's still as old, feeble, and mortal as the actor" is just lovely writing. Neddy Seagoon fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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Apr 14, 2020 11:11
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Oh yes, I would have found an exploration of what it MEANS for an android to attempt to recreate a human perfectly to be very interesting. It’s a good concept, a weirdly circular family tree. (It would be good in a Prometheus-type movie - I still maintain that film was good because it went into the family dynamics of android children). But in this case I think it’s just shrugged off as, hey, Data wants to be human, or whatever.
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Apr 14, 2020 11:34
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The only good ship is Bargie from Mission to Zyxx.
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Apr 14, 2020 11:53
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“Old guy magically makes a massive deus ex machina fleet appear from nowhere to win the day. Star-something, Wars, Trek, who gives a gently caress. Yeah, of course the check cleared. Wait, they both paid me?”
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Apr 14, 2020 12:26
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Bogus Adventure posted:100% agreed. The ships looked like they were designed for people to work and live in them. The only exceptions were on alien ships, like Klingon bridges---which makes sense because who knows how different their physiology is from humans. 
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Apr 14, 2020 13:09
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'd say it's the last point, because they seemed desperate to force a way through to Mass Effect 2's starting point, and having Data back would be Star Trek and not Mass Effect and they're just not equipped to deviate from their stolen script. At this point I fully expect a second season to be framed around "Picard must work with
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Apr 14, 2020 13:40
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GolfHole posted:they're filmed for interpolative tv What? e: To be clearer, I know what motion interpolation is, I'm asking what the hell "filmed for interpolative tv" means infernal machines fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Apr 14, 2020 |
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Apr 14, 2020 13:41
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FlamingLiberal posted:That plot point is so frustrating. There was no reason that even needed to be in the season at all. But we need a *dramatic moment* for the finale so they went hog-wild The only way I can parse it is the first spoiler tag, tbh. It's the exact same problem Discovery had with its season 2 finale, where they're just blatantly forcing their way to a specific premise for the next season whether it makes sense or not.
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Apr 14, 2020 13:43
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The only way I can parse it is the first spoiler tag, tbh. It's the exact same problem Discovery had with its season 2 finale, where they're just blatantly forcing their way to a specific premise for the next season whether it makes sense or not.
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Apr 14, 2020 14:30
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I'm going to have an incredibly lovely and lazy O'Brien themed party. We will drink Kirkland Irish Whiskey and injure our shoulders "kayaking" down my stairs. There will be a photo booth where you can get a picture with a piece of cardboard labeled "Keiko". Midway through, the drunkest person will be draped in a sheet and told to yell at the dal'rok. I will flash the lights in the kitchen on and off till they yell loud enough. Everyone gets one cheelash fruit to take home (a ball of gummy peach rings fused together).
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Apr 14, 2020 14:51
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I'm going to have an incredibly lovely and lazy O'Brien themed party. We will drink Kirkland Irish Whiskey and injure our shoulders "kayaking" down my stairs. There will be a photo booth where you can get a picture with a piece of cardboard labeled "Keiko". Midway through, the drunkest person will be draped in a sheet and told to yell at the dal'rok. I will flash the lights in the kitchen on and off till they yell loud enough. Everyone gets one cheelash fruit to take home (a ball of gummy peach rings fused together). Since the "seven minutes in heaven" party game is way too teenager-y for the O'Brien theme, one lucky person will be selected to play "twenty years in prison" and will be locked in a closet for several hours, or until they kill the little mouse they made friends with. When they're finally released, the party will still be going as if no time has passed.
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