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So far nothing has really blew my skirt up. Day 1 arguments. I find it a very town move to want to move to serious discussion quickly, so glad everyone's racketing up the board.Jen X posted:So am I, because I find it weird for a different reason, not at all because I think it’s self-anything. Andy, would you please clarify what you mean in that last sentence? This screams scum to me. You are agreeing with someone that you are uneasy about your case, however you double down on your case that you feel uneasy about in interrogating the person you like the case the most of. This reads to me like scum trying to wash their hands of a case but continue applying pressure to said case. ##vote: Jen X
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kingcobweb posted:CapnAndy not only seems scummy for that post but he wrote the wikipedia article about his own gambit. Cmon man.
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yeah I don't love the way Jen is trying to cast so much doubt on the CapnAndy case. Jen do you think CapnAndy is town?
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Apr 15, 2020 23:18
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Sandwolf posted:ok, but then why write all the words on why you think he's disingenuous?
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Apr 15, 2020 23:20
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Sandwolf posted:just quick, do you think it doesn't? I don’t think it’s particularly concerned with either presenting a certain appearance, using specific wording, or making a case that over or under utilizes the scant posting in the thread, so I don’t believe either term are accurate descriptions. My problem is entirely with the ping pong between concepts (analysis -> meta advice -> town read), not any read of andy as being particularly deliberate. I don’t see any kind of scumcase being made there. Sandwolf posted:yeah I don't love the way Jen is trying to cast so much doubt on the CapnAndy case. Yeah actually I do, his explanation makes sense.
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Apr 15, 2020 23:21
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Jen’s posting is coming across as way too self conscious right now. When she was presenting her case on me she was coming across much more confident and poignant, even if I don’t agree. Right now she seems to be stumbling as she tries to waffle between being able to go either way on the way the Capn vote leans.
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Kashuno posted:Jen’s posting is coming across as way too self conscious right now. When she was presenting her case on me she was coming across much more confident and poignant, even if I don’t agree. Right now she seems to be stumbling as she tries to waffle between being able to go either way on the way the Capn vote leans. Truly, the most self-conscious of acts: asking why he did a thing and then accepting his reasoning once he explained.
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Apr 15, 2020 23:28
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CapnAndy posted:Also, guys, just for the record? I promise you right now, I am always going to consider every possibility, and probably will mention them in my posts, especially when I'm trying to help. I think having a plan for being wrong is good play. I'm going to ##vote CapnAndy but in reality he should be replaced by the mod with one of the backups; this amount of self-inflicted backpatting has surely caused andy to tear several ligaments, taking him out of the season
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a followup: why would you need to clarify that you do this when you try to help? would you not do it as scum?
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Apr 15, 2020 23:32
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Epsilon Plus posted:a followup: why would you need to clarify that you do this when you try to help? would you not do it as scum? yeah but in a more sinister fashion
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Apr 15, 2020 23:34
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Epsilon Plus posted:a followup: why would you need to clarify that you do this when you try to help? would you not do it as scum?
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Apr 15, 2020 23:34
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CapnAndy posted:poo poo, good point. That was a dumb thing to say. who do you think is scum
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Apr 15, 2020 23:36
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CapnAndy posted:poo poo, good point. That was a dumb thing to say. Feel good about this post
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Apr 15, 2020 23:37
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Khris Kruel posted:
This is dumb and you should look again at who made a case, because you seem to have imagined or made up one from me.
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Apr 15, 2020 23:40
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Sandwolf posted:who do you think is scum
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Apr 15, 2020 23:40
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CapnAndy posted:Nobody yet, it is D1 and we have no actionable information. That hasn't ever stopped other people.
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Apr 15, 2020 23:42
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CapnAndy posted:Nobody yet, it is D1 and we have no actionable information. errr, you sure seemed to have made a judgment call on Liger being townie?
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Apr 15, 2020 23:43
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Leith Maclaine posted:That hasn't ever stopped other people.
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Apr 15, 2020 23:45
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CapnAndy posted:Doesn't mean I have to agree! D1 is a weak day and only good for collecting posts you can go back over once you know something. Nah
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Apr 15, 2020 23:46
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I've played at least one game where town got scum D1 Maybe this'll be another
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Apr 15, 2020 23:46
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I don’t think someone needs to have scum reads less than 12 hours since the game opened, and less than a few hours since joke phase ended.
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Apr 15, 2020 23:47
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Sandwolf posted:errr, you sure seemed to have made a judgment call on Liger being townie?
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Apr 15, 2020 23:48
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CapnAndy posted:Doesn't mean I have to agree! D1 is a weak day and only good for collecting posts you can go back over once you know something. True, but as Sandwolf pointed out, you did say that Liger was at best an "unhelpful townie" which means you do have an opinion already, but you are backing away from it.
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Sandwolf posted:errr, you sure seemed to have made a judgment call on Liger being townie? A judgement call feeling good about someone is way different than casing someone for being scummy early on when there's nothing and willfully/ignorantly pointing people in directions you don't really believe if you're town yourself. Actually happy he didn't fake a case to appease a question you posed Might do my defensive root em out town playstyle again this game but drat sure not calling anybody scummy until I actually ~feel it~
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Apr 15, 2020 23:49
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Deadbeat Dad posted:A judgement call feeling good about someone is way different than casing someone for being scummy early on when there's nothing and willfully/ignorantly pointing people in directions you don't really believe if you're town yourself. Actually happy he didn't fake a case to appease a question you posed that's all well and good, I don't really disagree, I thought the characterization of "there's no actionable info" as kinda bullshit though, considering he, himself, is calling someone townie rn
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Apr 15, 2020 23:53
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Sandwolf posted:I see several people have pointed out at this but I think it's a scumpost. It's a big long post rationalizing a vote against Liger and ending without a vote on liger. It feels like it's preparation for a real vote on liger but it feels forced. I think this spends too many words trying to dress up "CapnAndy posted about a guy but didn't vote for him" as an essay, and that argument always struck me as an unhelpful cliche to begin with. Sandwolf posted:ok, but then why write all the words on why you think he's disingenuous? We usually use "disingenuous" to describe someone play-acting at how much they know to cover up their alignment - CapnAndy is saying (clearly enough, I thought) that Liger was being disingenuous by, as town, covering up an emotional reaction with an unhelpful layer of armor. I'm not sure that what's Liger was doing, but CapnAndy's reaction reads genuine enough. I think this is trying to awkwardly force a contradiction into a post where there isn't one. Sandwolf posted:errr, you sure seemed to have made a judgment call on Liger being townie? Saying there's nothing actionable to case someone on is different from saying you read someone as town, obviously. All of this in service of the point that I think Sandwolf's trying to hop onto the bandwagon with posts propped up on some pretty artificial reasoning.
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I am much happier with my vote now.CapnAndy posted:Nobody yet, it is D1 and we have no actionable information. This is not hte stance of town that comes under suspicion. this is the stance of scum wanting to no longer be talked about. Town will take their position to find out who casting suspicion / voting for them is scum.
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Apr 15, 2020 23:56
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Sandwolf posted:that's all well and good, I don't really disagree, I thought the characterization of "there's no actionable info" as kinda bullshit though, considering he, himself, is calling someone townie rn I think a townie is more likely to get angry over a bad case and behave unhelpfully out of spite than scum is. This one's admittedly subjective, but I don't think it contradicts with any of the other stuff?
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There have been a few flavor claims, actually.
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CapnAndy posted:Nobody's dead. Nobody's flipped. Nobody's role-claimed. Nobody has claimed investigation results. Nobody's even lore claimed. There is no actionable information in this game yet. Those are all objectively true statements. The latter point I take no issue with! The prior point I take issue with! If that's all you consider actionable information, you're not gonna have much to go on D1. This really does feel like you're trying to cover up for not having any reads because you're scum. Do you think how I've been pursuing you has been scummy, for example?
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My flavor claim: I am Goku, and I'm here to destroy Freiza and his goons. Join me but know that he is the most powerful being in the universe with a power level of over 1 million!
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ASAPRockySituation posted:My flavor claim: I am Goku, and I'm here to destroy Freiza and his goons. Join me but know that he is the most powerful being in the universe with a power level of over 1 million! you can't be Goku I'M GOKU NO loving DOUBLES!!!!!
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Epsilon Plus posted:you can't be Goku I'M GOKU I mean...some doubles....
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I feel okay about Andy, has similar thought processes as me atm. Jen X posted:Nah What do you disagree with? I agree in essence. You can easily catch scum D1 but on the whole it's a lot of posturing and confusion until people start to flip and you can see who is earnestly defending another person or potentially bussing or trying to look good. In the moment D1 is usually just chaos and uncertainty, but I'm sure some of us have our methods for weeding a lot of that out and not just writing off D1 as only a crapshoot. Maybe the wording of "only good" is a bit strong from Andy but if we're comparing it to later days where we have more information to work off of, obviously I agree.
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Deadbeat Dad posted:What do you disagree with? You can do more than just collect posts on D1. Getting people to talk and interact and play the game is super valuable, and the basic process of scumhunting without relying on relative distance to flipped or otherwise confirmed players is the same on D1 as on any other day. Sure, you don't have all the tools, but you can still use a few. Sorry if my wording is weird, I'm dealing with an obnoxious cocktail of nausea, headache, dehydration, chills, and bloating.
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Epsilon Plus posted:you can't be Goku I'M GOKU Actually, I move so fast that it often appears that I am in two places at once. We call this...the duality of Goku.
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Apr 16, 2020 00:17
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Deadbeat Dad posted:What do you disagree with? You guys just don't believe in yourselves enough.
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Jose Valasquez posted:It's starting to come back to me...
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Apr 16, 2020 00:29
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zzyzx posted:You guys just don't believe in yourselves enough. 
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Mr. Humalong posted:“Oh cool the game started” 
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