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I find it annoying that there seems to be a dice roll on which abilities and ults do friendly fire, what's up with that
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Which ones don't do friendly fire? I can't think of any that don't.
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Apr 21, 2020 19:21
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Jeza posted:Vaguely tragically, CS:GO did start to get a handle on cheating in my opinion, in combination with Overwatch, more proactive VAC development and a year plus of Prime MM where eventually most cheaters were culled from the system with the trust factor. Then the game went F2P, and any hope of ever stemming the tide was just detonated on the spot. It didn't help that you used to need a unique phone number to get Prime but after CS:GO went F2P you just needed to play enough or spend 10bux to become Prime eligible, and all pre-F2P accounts got Prime automatically. Needing a constant supply of non-blacklisted phone numbers (they blocked most VOIP providers) made life harder for cheaters to come back on new accounts and they just threw that away for no reason.
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Apr 21, 2020 19:24
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dogstile posted:People who are cheating know they'll get caught eventually, they're not reducing faith. some people are hardcore cheaters, but there's also a lot of kiddie rage hackers who if they see a sudden flood of "wtf this no longer works" on the cheat forums, may be dissuaded from trying it. imo, reducing casual cheaters has a much bigger impact in general.
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Apr 21, 2020 19:33
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Patch notes: https://beta.playvalorant.com/en-us/news/game-updates/valorant-patch-notes-0-47/ Major things include Raze grenades being reduced to 1 and recharge with 2 kills, clearer audio with regards to her abilities, melee does double damage to Sage walls and Haven double doors alongside Sage slow reducing bunny hop speed but no longer makes sound if you walk through it. Interesting changes and curious what more will be introduced later on.
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Apr 21, 2020 19:39
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Famethrowa posted:Or... they are trying to reduce false positives + make it harder for cheat sellers to adapt their cheats when they see bans trickling in Knowing you can cheat without disruption for 4-6 months at a time actually increases faith in cheat sellers and ensures people keep buying new accounts after they're banned. hth We never will, but I would kill to see game sales data for the week before and the week after a ban wave.
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Apr 21, 2020 19:52
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oh man i did not see them partially taking the sage slow field sound cue away. that's huge
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Apr 21, 2020 20:10
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Knowing you can cheat without disruption for 4-6 months at a time actually increases faith in cheat sellers and ensures people keep buying new accounts after they're banned. hth yes, ban waves every 4 months would be bad, but I have never seen that long of a break between. and, to remind you, most systems ban pretty consistently over time if the cheat isn't sophisticated. the only reason you see a "wave" is because a new sophisticated cheat signature is fully vetted and it takes time to weed out false positives.
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Apr 21, 2020 21:01
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Being able to walk silently through Slow Orb is huge, so glad for that.
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Apr 21, 2020 21:11
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Pretty much every competitive fps or BR that I've played has been on a 4-6 month cycle of banwaves. Apex, pubg, cs, ow, etc. all were 3-4 months minimum and often substantially longer. OW was at over a year recently until some concerned citizen acquired the source for a couple of the prominent hacks and then literally had to raise a shitstorm to get them to do anything at all with it. The kicker? OW leaderboards lost 120 of the top 500 acounts in korea, and 180 of the top 500 accounts in SEA and a ton out of NA/EU as well. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Apr 21, 2020 |
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Apr 21, 2020 21:12
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VALORANT tourney back on today https://www.twitch.tv/espnesports/
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Apr 21, 2020 21:16
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jacobwolf certainly has a voice for the written word
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Pretty much every competitive fps or BR that I've played has been on a 4-6 month cycle of banwaves. Apex, pubg, cs, ow, etc. all were 3-4 months minimum and often substantially longer. OW was at over a year recently until some concerned citizen acquired the source for a couple of the prominent hacks and then literally had to raise a shitstorm to get them to do anything at all with it. I can only speak for CS, but vacwaves are usually 4-6 weeks right now, and they don't even use a kernel system. I'm not surprised the other games with flagging esports aren't doing so hot  (of course, other banning systems don't have an open API so it is possible it is actually more similar to CS. )if Valorant can do banwaves in this fashion I'm not too concerned. https://steamdb.info/stats/bans/
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this is also launching with more of a focus on esports out of the gate, because for some reason valve like... refuses to give a poo poo about CS, one of the most popular games to ever exist. it will always be cat and mouse but if this can stop people from reading memory at the hardware level... i'm cautiously optimistic. also the dev/apex match was interesting. dizzy moved from apex to this and was doing really well, i'm sure it helped having aceu calling though.
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charity rereg posted:this is also launching with more of a focus on esports out of the gate, because for some reason valve like... refuses to give a poo poo about CS, one of the most popular games to ever exist. It also helps that Dizzy and Aceu played competitive counterstrike
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charity rereg posted:valve like... refuses to give a poo poo about CS, one of the most popular games to ever exist. I think it's because Steam makes so much money that esports revenue literally doesn't matter to them. I don't think anyone has really figured out how to monetize it well for the amount of work that goes into it and it's all a huge bubble of ???$$$. I would bet they make more profit on Steam than every esports league's profits combined.
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charity rereg posted:for some reason valve like... refuses to give a poo poo about CS, one of the most popular games to ever exist. Honestly, this is super interesting to me and I'd love to know why this is the case. It's a super long-standing attitude within Valve. I think there are a lot of potential reasons. Probably the key ones being that they perceive the community as very resistant to change, which is true (mostly due to being burned over and over), and not seeing a big competitor in the genre to warrant extra effort, but even so. They could have done a lot of other things to support the development of the game, things they did do for DotA for example. For all the time, love and money expended on DotA, in the end it seems like CS:GO has grown into their biggest game regardless. I could say a lot about this, but this isn't really the place for it. Kinda cool to see a few CS players crawl out of the woodwork for this game on here, given how utterly dead the CS thread is on this forum. For whatever reason, goons definitely trend towards the MOBA side of things.
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Bottom Liner posted:jacobwolf certainly has a voice for the written word He shouldn't be casting, I agree. Lol.
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Jeza posted:Honestly, this is super interesting to me and I'd love to know why this is the case. It's a super long-standing attitude within Valve. I think there are a lot of potential reasons. Probably the key ones being that they perceive the community as very resistant to change, which is true (mostly due to being burned over and over), and not seeing a big competitor in the genre to warrant extra effort, but even so. They could have done a lot of other things to support the development of the game, things they did do for DotA for example. They also tend to take a more 'libertarian' approach to competitive scenes. For example DOTA didn't get a major system until the players asked for something more like what CSGO had because Valve expected ESL, Dreamhack, and the like to do it instead.
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I still haven't quite forgiven them for making GBS threads on the OW teams aim for a solid 5 minutes before they beat the siege team  Good job boys, glad you definitely know what you're talking about.
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Apr 21, 2020 22:55
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Make a new hero who screams "TRADE ME" every time they die
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Apr 21, 2020 22:58
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RobotsLoveSpectres posted:Make a new hero who screams "TRADE ME" every time they die Esports ready!
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Jeza posted:Honestly, this is super interesting to me and I'd love to know why this is the case. It's a super long-standing attitude within Valve. I think there are a lot of potential reasons. Probably the key ones being that they perceive the community as very resistant to change, which is true (mostly due to being burned over and over), and not seeing a big competitor in the genre to warrant extra effort, but even so. They could have done a lot of other things to support the development of the game, things they did do for DotA for example. Honestly it seems like a lot of the issues stem from the lack of management.The whole flat structure. Marc Laidlaw after quitting gave a good account of what could have been for the HL2 episodes. In any case its Gabes baby to do what he wants. Since Alyx has been released the devs have said that scope creep was a major factor in the delay, adding more and more cool stuff. When you have no project manager its not surprising when nothing gets done. Yeah I was starting to play CS again after a long hiatus and then the Valorant beta happened. Lets get the gang back together!
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I don't blame Valve for staying away from Esports, but CS prints money and famously they have a few side idiots working on it sometimes. Also they let it become a massive vehicle for loving international money laundering AND a horribly addictive gambling casino for children.
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So are the HMGs/Scout/AutoShotty actually viable in this game or are they just part of the iconic CS gun package?
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Tiger Millionaire posted:So are the HMGs/Scout/AutoShotty actually viable in this game or are they just part of the iconic CS gun package? They're all fine. The autoshotty is awesome
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Auto shotty is ok but the alt shot on the semi is so much cooler. I'm not sure I've seen a scout used well? The problem is that theres no reason to get it over the deagle but different maps may change that balance. HMGs are to wallbang with but again I'm not sure I've seen them do better work than the rifles?
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They are high and rifles are med for wall penetration. I think it affects the % of damage reduction through the walls.
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Well, I discovered why after 8 days of idling streams I haven't got a key. Turns out my ancient League account, at some point in the transition process from League to Riot Account became region locked to Malaysia for no reason. Good system. On the off-chance somebody else out there is dying out there, check your Riot account through the League portal that allows you to see account settings rather than the Valorant one, which you can't access settings for. Time to idle for like 5 more days on a new one while their glacial support staff get back to me, probably to say they can't help.
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Apr 22, 2020 01:56
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Happened to my friend with a new account. His location was set to vietnam.
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Dear lord watching this espnsports tournament is terrible for viewership. They switch cams as soon as someone dies to someone outside of the fight that happens and then just ignores the 2-3 people that die following it. Also, beta, I get it, but they desperately need some kind of icon highlight on the map for viewers to see where on the minimap the character that is being spectated is located. Oddly enough I'm finding watching just random pubs on twitch much more enjoyable than this. Maybe it's the ability spam to clog choke points that makes it ultimately uninteresting. Who knows.
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Apr 22, 2020 02:35
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Llama agreeing to forfeit the final rounds after they were eliminated feels extremely weird and seems like basically match fixing to give Canyon the seed they wanted. That kinda poo poo wouldn't fly in any non-exhibition tournament right?
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Apr 22, 2020 02:42
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yeah it's a mess of a tourny. whoever green-lighted it at ESPN clearly didn't give a drat
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RVT posted:Llama agreeing to forfeit the final rounds after they were eliminated feels extremely weird and seems like basically match fixing to give Canyon the seed they wanted. That kinda poo poo wouldn't fly in any non-exhibition tournament right? they'd messed with the attack/defend and bans as well which canyon agreed to because llama was doing so poorly. that was just good sportsmanship once it was clear they were going to mess with canyon's seed
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Apr 22, 2020 03:22
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I don't think I've ever been as bad at a video game as I am at Valorant
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Bottom Liner posted:yeah it's a mess of a tourny. whoever green-lighted it at ESPN clearly didn't give a drat To be expected if you have people like Jacob Wolf casting imo lol
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PIZZA.BAT posted:they'd messed with the attack/defend and bans as well which canyon agreed to because llama was doing so poorly. that was just good sportsmanship once it was clear they were going to mess with canyon's seed I saw the casters referring to this as well, and I guess I still don't understand what happened. Canyon let Llama pick how they wanted to start and on what map because they were behind in points, out of the goodness of their hearts, and in return Llama agreed to forfeit all remaining rounds once they had been eliminated? If that's what happened, I don't know if that makes it worse or better. If it was the championship and only affected the two of them, sure make whatever custom rules you want. It might annoy the fans to see the rules suddenly change, but couldn't really be called unfair if you both agree. But I don't think it qualifies as good sportmanship when you do it in the middle of the tournament and it affects other team(s) that were not party to the agreement. It's a goofy showmatch tournament, so I guess it doesn't actually matter, it just struck me as a messed up thing to do.
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I think from the fundamental structure of this tournament it's been clear from the beginning that no one is taking it seriously and wasn't meant to be
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