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feedmyleg posted:Finally got my Evil Dead 4K for a first time watch. I got shown Evil Dead 2 in high school as "basically a better remake of the first one" followed immediately by Army of Darkness. It was way before I really fell for horror, so I didn't bother going back and watching. I'm really excited to catch the original soon, I hear the 4K is revelatory compared to earlier home releases. It really is. There was a theatrical run last year with a 4k remaster of The Evil Dead with all new score and sound design, and it's the best I've seen the movie yet. There hasn't been any word on a physical release for it, though.
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feedmyleg posted:Aw gently caress that's what I thought the home release was The bluray already looks really really good so I’m sure the 4K release looks excellent too, even if it’s not the latest remaster
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feedmyleg posted:Aw gently caress that's what I thought the home release was It's visually the same movie, but the new score so far has been only theatrical.
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Apr 22, 2020 17:45
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I’ve seen a lot of coming around on Halloween 4 lately and I’m glad of it. It was always my favorite behind the original and now H40.
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STAC Goat posted:The Evil Dead remake is good. Completely different from the other stuff. Played straight (although with a really gruesome dark humor) and gory and violent as hell. I think if it had been released under another name and no one was making the comparisons it would have been pretty popular, especially amongst our crowd. I still feel the dog torture/death didn't need to be there. They established what they needed to with the book page and the dead cats in the beginning.
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I think the reboot just kind of is all about excess so like, there's probably a lot that "didn't need to be there" but is part of the package that makes it what it is. But I get why that would bug people. I don't generally react any worse to animals being abused or killed in movies than I do humans, unless of course its really happening since even if the animal isn't physically harmed its not choosing or aware to take part in it. But if I remember right the dog's death/torture is only implied and not actually shown so I can assume no dog was abused in any way there. But I get why people have strong reactions to that kind of stuff. But like to me the rape or eyeball or nailgun stuff stands out way more. Its a brutal film that gives no real quarter. And I don't generally seek those out or love them but Evil Dead '13 works for me for whatever reason.
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TheBizzness posted:I’ve seen a lot of coming around on Halloween 4 lately and I’m glad of it. It was always my favorite behind the original and now H40.
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STAC Goat posted:But like to me the rape or eyeball or nailgun stuff stands out way more. Its a brutal film that gives no real quarter. And I don't generally seek those out or love them but Evil Dead '13 works for me for whatever reason. It's that elusive "tone" thing that I'm never quite able to put into proper words, and I'm not even sure is real. But Evil Dead remake somehow manages to not feel like someone is figuratively or literally jerking off behind the camera, nor does it come off as "ironic". It's just good, horrifying fun that keeps the spirit of the franchise.
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Haddonfield Results! Halloween does what Halloween do. No surprise there. Texas Chainsaw Massacre holds on, barely, against a surprisingly robust Predator and I'd be shocked if Predator doesn't do much better in a theoretical sci-fi bracket in the future. Now for the carnage:    TREMORS HAS KNOCKED OUT THE HAMMER FILMS!! omg the good guys won for once!Also Hannibal Lecter has made a meal out of Pumpkinhead  Final round (and what I believe is the strongest bracket overall) in a few.
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Springwood Division, final bracket of the knockout rounds, these will be your final entrants into the Sweet Six-Scream! VOTE NOW! VOTE HERE! SHARE THIS LINK! The Springwood Slasher vs Daniel Robetaille! Candyman is better than any Freddy movie, right? And does the dire cartoonish idiocy of Freddy's Dead eclipse the literal white-saviorism of Nicole loving Eggert in Candyman 3: Die Candyman Die?  I'm an absolute sucker for the Blade universe, but holy Hell are the Scream movies just a rollicking good time. I'll be doing a longer writeup later, but for now just want to say these are all great movies! drat it's good to like good things!   I'm not as high on the Evil Dead franchise as most, but I hope you all will do the needful here against the ultra-lovely Conjure-verse   In the battle of "who gets to lose vs the Evil Dead," we get two franchises with an outstanding, revelatory original followed by an almost-instantaneous descent into absolute garbagetown. Also I am legally required to remind you all this smiley exists:  VOTE NOW! Voting Ends 4/28!!
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STAC Goat posted:But if I remember right the dog's death/torture is only implied and not actually shown so I can assume no dog was abused in any way there. But I get why people have strong reactions to that kind of stuff. It was the combination of knowing what was going to happen with the foreshadowing and the dog's cries that did it for me. Despite liking everything else in the movie, what happens to the dog's why I just can't bring myself to rewatch it.
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Apr 23, 2020 15:09
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I voted, but I have a confession: I've never seen Blade or Blade 2. I've seen bits and pieces, since they were regularly on TV, but I've seen maybe 15 minutes total. I'm gonna watch them and maybe adjust my voting. I probably should rewatch Scream 2. Haven't seen it in years.
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Apr 23, 2020 15:29
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Blade and Blade 2 are pretty drat good. But wooooow does Blade: Trinity suck. Scream 3 I know is considered the bad one but it ain't even approaching that level of bad.
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Scream is the ending for slashers as a genre. Not that it killed slashers, that would happen regardless. But it is spiritually the ending of what Halloween started. Like there have obviously been slashers after the fact, but I think it was this nice ribbon on that almost twenty year period after the original Halloween. After Scream, anything else seemed like a throwback because Scream is the inevitable endpoint of slashers. It's inarguably Wes Craven's masterpiece. Even Nightmare feels messy and uneven at times, but loving Scream man. Scream is this perfectly sanded piece of furniture. Its themes are both clear, nuanced, and ahead of their time--making the observation that slut and virgin shaming are just the same misogyny with a different name. And that loving ending... I don't know if there is a horror film that has such fun and cathartic ending as the end of Scream. I always have such a huge smile on my face. So yes, the other Scream movies were destined to suffer a similar fate as Halloween sequels. They're never that level of refinement. They're messy and weird, but they're also, ya know, good. Scream 2 is probably the best with very prescient critiques for the bullshit violent media scapegoating that would happen during Columbine. Scream 3 suffers from mostly just repeating Sidney Prescott's arc from the first film and four is a very jumbled critique of social media and found footage but also reboots. But the problem is Scream is such a high bar that the fact that I'm discussing character arcs and thematics is unfair of the sequels. 2, 3, and 4 are all good by slasher sequel standards and it's because they know what made slashers appeal. The Slasher genre has this legacy of sexist stereotypes that are so unfair of the core big entries. Even Friday the 13th, the boobiest of the classic slashers, still has some fun and pretty well-drawn heroines when it's not about Tommy Jarvis. The classic slashers had stronger characters than they get credit for, and Scream was incredibly smart to invest in its main cast and so loving smart for killing Jamie Kennedy in 2. Yes, they never live up to the first film, but sometimes you have to reward the motherfuckers always trying to ice skate up hill.
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I did NOT expect Tremors to beat Hammer but in retrospect I think it probably just comes down to how easily accessible Tremors is vs Hammer. And I mean that both in the "you can just turn it on and watch lightly" sense of "accessible" and in the more literal "I can't find Hammer films to watch them or figure out what order to watch them in without a fair bit of effort."Shrecknet posted:Springwood Division, final bracket of the knockout rounds, these will be your final entrants into the Sweet Six-Scream! VOTE NOW! VOTE HERE! SHARE THIS LINK! married but discreet posted:It's that elusive "tone" thing that I'm never quite able to put into proper words, and I'm not even sure is real. But Evil Dead remake somehow manages to not feel like someone is figuratively or literally jerking off behind the camera, nor does it come off as "ironic". It's just good, horrifying fun that keeps the spirit of the franchise. M_Sinistrari posted:It was the combination of knowing what was going to happen with the foreshadowing and the dog's cries that did it for me. Despite liking everything else in the movie, what happens to the dog's why I just can't bring myself to rewatch it.
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Timeless Appeal posted:Scream is the ending for slashers as a genre. Not that it killed slashers, that would happen regardless. But it is spiritually the ending of what Halloween started. Like there have obviously been slashers after the fact, but I think it was this nice ribbon on that almost twenty year period after the original Halloween. After Scream, anything else seemed like a throwback because Scream is the inevitable endpoint of slashers. It's inarguably Wes Craven's masterpiece. Even Nightmare feels messy and uneven at times, but loving Scream man. Scream is this perfectly sanded piece of furniture. Its themes are both clear, nuanced, and ahead of their time--making the observation that slut and virgin shaming are just the same misogyny with a different name. And that loving ending... I don't know if there is a horror film that has such fun and cathartic ending as the end of Scream. I always have such a huge smile on my face. Scream is phenomenal and I largely agree that it came as the climax of the slasher genre, though as we discussed earlier in this thread I still feel Final Destination is the ultimate conclusion of the slasher -- going just one step beyond the self-aware deconstruction of the genre in Scream. Perhaps Scream is the final chapter and Final Destination is more of an epilogue, giving the genre one last swing through before it completely disappeared into the 2000s wave of torture porn, remakes, and nostalgic throwbacks.
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I ultimately voted to keep ANoES around, but that was a tougher call to make than I'd originally expected. I mean, I think the original Candyman is quite possibly the best slasher movie ever created, but 2 and 3 were pretty dire. I don't think as much of Nightmares 1 or 3 as most people around here do, but I still think they're ultimately fine, plus 4 and Freddy vs. Jason are great. But even then, all of those stacked together against Candyman 1 and I was still hesitant. I dunno... if you'd asked me at the start of this, I'd have said Freddy walks with it easy, but the further we go, the less I actually believe that.
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Not happy with this result at all, but I will have to accept it and move on.
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I voted for Candyman. The first film stands above everything in the NoES franchise, and I actually really like the second Candyman more than most NoES films. It's nowhere near as great as the first film, but it's a solid little moody film, and I don't hate the flashbacks. I voted Scream, not because I really care for the franchise, but because Blade is an empty vessel. Evil Dead, because of course. Hellraiser because of course. Hellraiser has two great films, Dusk has one, but I'm going to jump into the later sequels of both films this week just to double check. Wish me luck Also Hammer was robbed!
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I voted for Candyman. The first film stands above everything in the NoES franchise, and I actually really like the second Candyman more than most NoES films. It's nowhere near as great as the first film, but it's a solid little moody film, and I don't hate the flashbacks. I voted the same in all the matchups. None of them were really tough decisions for me to be honest, I know Candyman is probably gonna lose to Freddy but I've never been a huge NOES guy. Blade vs. Scream is a no-brainer for me, I'll be surprised if that's a close matchup in the end. Blade is a lot of fun and Blade 2 is solid, but Ghostface is an iconic slasher and those movies were HUGE.
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Y'all's words on the Evil Dead remake are going to get me to finally watch it. I usually dislike things that sadistic and grisly in that meanspirited way, but if it feels different than the rest than it's probably for me. e: and yeah, Hammer was robbed. I suspect a lot of voters haven't actually seen all that many Hammer films and voted against their assumptions. I'd recommend anyone in that position go and actually catch those flicks. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Franchescanado posted:I voted, but I have a confession: I believe it was the dearly departed penismightier who described Blade as a '70s movie that skipped the '80s and came crashing headfirst into the '90s. It is excellent in almost every respect. Blade II doesn't hold up nearly as well as I remember, but it's got a lot of good stuff in it. Scream 2 is under-appreciated, even though the rewrites stick out like a sore thumb (the third act is just a complete mess).
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Basebf555 posted:Not happy with this result at all, but I will have to accept it and move on. As someone who spent 3 nights watching the drizzling shits that is the Tremors sequels and looked forward to some effort posting on Hammer Dracula vs. Lecter or Predator I am very sad. Y'all made me sad.
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Scream 3 and 4 are both garbage. If it wasn't for Parker Posey just hamming it up, 3 would be almost unwatchable to me. Regardless it's a better HORROR franchise than Blade. Blade 1 and 2 have some horror elements, but are still mostly action movies. Blade Trinity pretty much loses any of the horror trappings altogether. I think I like Candyman about as much as I like the first Nightmare, maybe a bit more, but as a franchise Nightmare stands head and shoulders above Candyman. Like it or not, I think there's some value in The Conjuring for kind of applying the MCU model to horror with at least financial success, but Evil Dead has 4 movies and they are all good. The Conjuring Universe has the less good movies in a greater number of films. The hard one to me is Hellraiser vs. Dusk Til Dawn, since as it was said, they both basically have one good movie within them. But at the end of the day I voted Hellraiser because it created a horror icon in Pinhead, and FDtD doesn't have that kind of legacy.
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I LOVE Candyman and have already defended its sequels in this tournament, but this is where I part from it. If it was straight up movie vs movie I MIGHT give the edge to Candyman. I'd probably be rewatching them both to be sure. But franchise its no question. There's a great trilogy of Heather Langenkamp films within the whole and I think all the other films while not as good are probably the best of the 80s cartoonish slasher thing. I don't necessarily see Nightmare winning this whole thing, but I don't know if I see myself voting against it. I like Blade so much that I even kind of like Trinity. I mean not as a whole, but parts. But Scream is better and truer horror. Period. As we go through this tournament more and more I feel like Evil Dead might be the winner. There's not a clunker in the bunch. It managed to remake its original, retcon events, change tone repeatedly, have a reboot that changes the tone entirely, and have a tv series and ALL of it is good IMO. There's not one entry in the Evil Dead franchise that I feel the need to make excuses for or would hesitate to rewatch. I don't hate the Conjuring movies. I have The Nun and La Llorena on my list for the rest of the month and will probably get them in before the voting is closed. But it doesn't matter against Evil Dead. Dusk Til Dawn should have fallen to Paranormal Activity. That's a low level robbing in my opinion. But it absolutely should fall to Hellraiser. Yeah, most if not all of those sequels suck but not Hellbound. That's 2 good movies. Dusk Til Dawn as 1 and IMO it doesn't come close to either of the two. Its fun, I like it, I've watched it a bunch. But its not Hellraiser and its not Hellbound. And its sequels blow chunks. And its series is bad. Its a good movie with a bad franchise. And that might be true for Hellraiser too but at least it has Hellbound.
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Sarx posted:The hard one to me is Hellraiser vs. Dusk Til Dawn, since as it was said, they both basically have one good movie within them. But at the end of the day I voted Hellraiser because it created a horror icon in Pinhead, and FDtD doesn't have that kind of legacy. Hellraiser II is almost as good as the original and Dusk Til Dawn has zero good sequels imo. So that right there makes the decision easy for me. I watched Dusk Til Dawn 2 the other night and it was a snoozer. I didn't even write it up in the challenge thread because I forgot I watched it.
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People are voting Scream over Blade who didn't watch the TV series. It wasn't an action oriented show, it was more focused on politics and it took some pretty mean turns.
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Gonna have to give Freddy my vote here. As much as I love Candyman, the first 20 minutes or so of NoES do an amazing job with faking the audience out wrt the heroine. Blade is built on the work done in 1 and 2, and Snipes' dickwad presence. 3 suffered with the obvious way they were trying to spinoff with White Sidekicks... but man, Scream singlehandedly reinvigorated the genre in the 90s. And all those bad teen-oriented slasher-wannabe's (Valentine, IKWYDLS, etc) were made in its mold. And I love that a horror veteran is basically going "there's a formula, we all know it, we all expect it, so how can we make this work again". Honestly I agree that this caps off the slasher era with the threat of the other coming from these quaint and whitebread strongholds, while Final D is the perfect epilogue, with the existential horror of death itself as the unbeatable, inescapable foe. Conjureverse probably should get some cred for pushing the 10s horror into saw-like connected narratives in a way that Paranormal Activity failed to do... but ED is just a nice alternative to jumpscare horror so that takes the win for me. Ugh. Well Hellraiser 1 and 2 are good, right?
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I'll be curious to see if Evil Dead can achieve 100% of the vote. I'm sure some sicko will vote for The Conjuring whether out of contrarianism or just to give it something but this ought to be the biggest blowout of a tournament that has seen many blowouts. edit: Scrolling through the thread, Halloween holds the record with its first round matchup against Witchcraft. 98.1% of the vote. TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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I like Blade more than any individual Scream but I personally think Blade 2 stinks and will not bother with 3 so Scream wins based on its balance of all quality at worst movies.
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Also it starred Sticky Fingaz, whose name still makes me giggle. I just imagine him constantly having just eaten chicken wings and being caught off-guard before he can find a napkin. I voted for Blade because Blade 1 rules and I've never really dug slashers, no matter how clever and well made they may be. Even an excellent metacommentary on a thing I don't care for doesn't move the needle that much for me. Scream is a great movie, but it's just not for me. Blade 2 is okay, I skipped Blade 3, and I only caught some intermittent episodes of the show. But I'm also putting my distorted childhood memories of Blade from the 90s Spider-Man cartoon into the mix because that was some rad stuff when I was 10. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Sticky Fingaz rocks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADgCeYJMN4 I'm still voting Scream. Wes also rocks. TrixRabbi posted:I'll be curious to see if Evil Dead can achieve 100% of the vote. I'm sure some sicko will vote for The Conjuring whether out of contrarianism or just to give it something but this ought to be the biggest blowout of a tournament that has seen many blowouts. I've never seen Witchcraft but I gotta think that 2% is more striking than any <20% for Conjuring would be here.
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Jedit posted:People are voting Scream over Blade who didn't watch the TV series. It wasn't an action oriented show, it was more focused on politics and it took some pretty mean turns. I think Scream also needs to get points for just consistency. There's no change of directions or nonsensical retcons--although I'm sure people don't like the Part 3 revelation although it does feel right from a slasher commentary perspective considering Nightmare, Friday, and Halloween all went down similar roads. Anyway I need it to win this rounds so I can explain why it's better than Evil Dead. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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Tremors winning vs Hammer just makes me think a lot of goons haven't watched nearly enough movies from before 1980.
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That was the case for me for a long time. As someone who has made an active effort to fix that the last few years I still kinda of think the problem is Hammer films seem really hard to track down on streaming services or for decent physical media prices. Also a little bit that numbered titles are a lot easier to make your way through. I dunno. On some level its easier for me to say "I'm gonna watch Tremors and then Tremors 2 and then Tremors 3..." than it is to say "I'm gonna watch Dracula and then... Brides of Dracula and then... Dracula: Prince of Darkness..." Even if its just saving one step I think there's like a subconscious difference.
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Thats's true. I admittedly have a bias against the fake blood used in Hammer productions
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