It's possible that there are bastard roles in this mafia game [Mafia]

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Pussy Quipped: Jan 29, 2009

##vote xopods

Lets test it

# ? Apr 22, 2020 06:27

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# ? Apr 30, 2024 13:31

Your Personal Muse: Oct 5, 2010; what a cool dude

Mr. Humalong posted:

I can guarantee multiple cops equals different sanities

Mr. Humalong posted:

Sane/Insane/Naive/Paranoid

I would guess none of the cops are sane

Pussy Quipped posted:

##vote xopods

Lets test it

Just the worst

# ? Apr 22, 2020 08:00

Mr. Humalong: May 7, 2007

Your Personal Muse posted:

I would guess none of the cops are sane

Just the worst

All cops are sane and objectively correct

# ? Apr 22, 2020 11:55

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

Mr. Humalong posted:

All cops are sane and objectively correct

You know what else all cops are?

# ? Apr 22, 2020 12:10

xopods: Oct 26, 2010

I am in fact Town. Not scum, not third-party. Not fourth- or fifth-party either.

So, dmboogie's investigation is wrong or he's lying.

It's natural to guess the former here, because everyone's already assuming that there are going to be multiple cops of varying sanity.

However, that also makes claiming Cop an extremely safe and beneficial claim for Scum. Everyone's already expecting that you'll be counterclaimed and that some of your investigations will be wrong, so you're never going to get lunched purely on the basis of your claim, and you can feed Town whatever information you want. You'll also benefit from everyone's instinctive aversion to suggesting we lunch the claimed Cop, since that is one of those incorrect "classic scum tells" that lazy, wrong people tend to believe in.

Now, I only had a slightly bad vibe from dmboogie before so I'm not going to vote him just because of his claim, at least not before re-reading him which I'm about to do.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 12:36

xopods: Oct 26, 2010

Yeah, okay, now I remember that what bothered me about dmboogie on first read was in fact that I got the sense his level of disengagement was phony and he was paying more attention than he let on. But that makes sense with his claim, especially since it's breadcrumbed.

Doesn't automatically mean he's not Scum, because a Cop that gets "Town/Not Town" results is useful to Scum and there's no reason he couldn't have been preparing a fake claim in advance, if indeed it is fake. However, my reason for thinking he's Scum now jives with possibly not-scummy motivations so I retract my read.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 13:07

Leith Maclaine: Mar 2, 2018; Adventure comes from insufficient planning.

Akarshi posted:

Right but I didn't get the impression that your Lumpen vote yesterday was a policy vote, unless I'm misunderstanding the meaning of 'policy vote'.

It sounded like you thought that his behavior yesterday was abnormal compared to normal Lumpen, so you decided to vote for him. I wanted to point out you and Quid for the reasons that out of the group of 'people who have opinions on Lumpen' it seemed like you two were the only ones (other than SIV) who held suspicions of him outside of a policy vote. Granted Quid never actually voted Lumpen but it seemed like Quid was legitimately suspicious of Lumpen because he thought Lumpen had a disingenuous read on him.

I guess my question is just, why is Lumpen no longer in your focus? He's still not doing the actions you described in your post.

Part of it is that I think HUM is a better target for constant lying. Part of it is that I have not played with Lumpen in this large a game which would easily explain the Meta change.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 13:15

Leith Maclaine: Mar 2, 2018; Adventure comes from insufficient planning.

Pussy Quipped posted:

everyone knows that you put mayo on the outside of grilled cheese not butter

It actually does work. It took me awhile to get over the mental block over trying it.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 13:16

Pussy Quipped: Jan 29, 2009

Your Personal Muse posted:

I would guess none of the cops are sane

Just the worst

Chill.

Leith Maclaine posted:

Part of it is that I think HUM is a better target for constant lying. Part of it is that I have not played with Lumpen in this large a game which would easily explain the Meta change.

Hum is definitely lying about something but If he�s telling the truth about the jester part I�m nervous about testing it out. I know I was gung ho about him earlier in the day but idk I�m not as confident anymore.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 14:53

Pussy Quipped: Jan 29, 2009

Leith Maclaine posted:

It actually does work. It took me awhile to get over the mental block over trying it.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 14:54

a dmc delorean: Jul 2, 2006; Live the dream

xopods posted:

I am in fact Town. Not scum, not third-party. Not fourth- or fifth-party either.

So, dmboogie's investigation is wrong or he's lying.

It's natural to guess the former here, because everyone's already assuming that there are going to be multiple cops of varying sanity.

However, that also makes claiming Cop an extremely safe and beneficial claim for Scum. Everyone's already expecting that you'll be counterclaimed and that some of your investigations will be wrong, so you're never going to get lunched purely on the basis of your claim, and you can feed Town whatever information you want. You'll also benefit from everyone's instinctive aversion to suggesting we lunch the claimed Cop, since that is one of those incorrect "classic scum tells" that lazy, wrong people tend to believe in.

Now, I only had a slightly bad vibe from dmboogie before so I'm not going to vote him just because of his claim, at least not before re-reading him which I'm about to do.

I, too, am in fact Town

# ? Apr 22, 2020 15:26

chaoslord: Jan 28, 2009; Nature Abhors A Vacuum

Can all of the non town just raise their hands? That�d be great, thanks

# ? Apr 22, 2020 16:13

Amnistar: Nov 6, 2008; I am a wizard, not a poet.

chaoslord posted:

Can all of the non town just raise their hands? That’d be great, thanks

I'm not town.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 16:14

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Still extremely satisfied with my xopods vote.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 16:14

Mr. Humalong: May 7, 2007

I�m town

# ? Apr 22, 2020 16:15

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Chartmaster Xiw, would you please compile a chart of the claimed cop results?

# ? Apr 22, 2020 16:15

xopods: Oct 26, 2010

Next batch of reads:

Jeabus: Town

Jen: RIP

Jon: Turns out he's TheRam? Either he became better at mafia in the past 5 years or he's Scum as he's not excitedly putting out nonsense ideas like the Town Ram of the old days

Kash: Good riddance to bad scum

Leith: Play is consistent with recent Town games though I don't have a scum counterexample for a proper meta read. Still think he's prob. town.

Lump: Role is genuine. Would probably have buddies continuing to try to bus him if he were Scum, ergo probably Town. Unfortunately.

Moat: Town

Hump: Probably not scum, but quite possibly not town

PQ: Genuinely seems to not give much of a gently caress, which seems like more of a Town tell this game... think this is a lazy lunch

# ? Apr 22, 2020 16:31

Leith Maclaine: Mar 2, 2018; Adventure comes from insufficient planning.

xopods posted:

Next batch of reads:

Jeabus: Town

Jen: RIP

Jon: Turns out he's TheRam? Either he became better at mafia in the past 5 years or he's Scum as he's not excitedly putting out nonsense ideas like the Town Ram of the old days

Kash: Good riddance to bad scum

Leith: Play is consistent with recent Town games though I don't have a scum counterexample for a proper meta read. Still think he's prob. town.

Lump: Role is genuine. Would probably have buddies continuing to try to bus him if he were Scum, ergo probably Town. Unfortunately.

Moat: Town

Hump: Probably not scum, but quite possibly not town

PQ: Genuinely seems to not give much of a gently caress, which seems like more of a Town tell this game... think this is a lazy lunch

Dark Hospital 3 is a good example of recent scum play for me.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 16:39

Pussy Quipped: Jan 29, 2009

xopods posted:

Next batch of reads:

Jeabus: Town

Jen: RIP

Jon: Turns out he's TheRam? Either he became better at mafia in the past 5 years or he's Scum as he's not excitedly putting out nonsense ideas like the Town Ram of the old days

Kash: Good riddance to bad scum

Leith: Play is consistent with recent Town games though I don't have a scum counterexample for a proper meta read. Still think he's prob. town.

Lump: Role is genuine. Would probably have buddies continuing to try to bus him if he were Scum, ergo probably Town. Unfortunately.

Moat: Town

Hump: Probably not scum, but quite possibly not town

PQ: Genuinely seems to not give much of a gently caress, which seems like more of a Town tell this game... think this is a lazy lunch

Jon Fisk is Tremendous Taste, not TheRam lol

# ? Apr 22, 2020 16:43

xopods: Oct 26, 2010

Pussy Quipped posted:

Jon Fisk is Tremendous Taste, not TheRam lol

Early in the game SIV asked him what his username used to be and he said it was TheRam. I guess that was a joke?

Anyway, in that case it's a null read. I remember TT's name but not what his play is like, and Fisk's play here seems middle of the road. It would have just seemed very off if he actually was TheRam, since I remember TheRam's posting clearly and it's not that.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 17:00

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

TheRam was a great player and I wish he was still in games.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 17:07

a dmc delorean: Jul 2, 2006; Live the dream

my role is TheRam

# ? Apr 22, 2020 17:10

Mr. Humalong: May 7, 2007

Angelwolf posted:

my role is TheRam

Not a new player then, found scum ##vote theram

# ? Apr 22, 2020 17:16

xopods: Oct 26, 2010

Lumpen posted:

TheRam was a great player and I wish he was still in games.

As I remember it, he was more like the worst aspects of my Mafia game and Amni's rolled into one, but without the redeeming feature of being right some of the time.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 17:26

Pussy Quipped: Jan 29, 2009

Hey all theres a deadline in 9 hours. People should vote.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 18:49

Pussy Quipped: Jan 29, 2009

Votecount for Day 2

Pussy Quipped (5): Mr. Humalong, Your Personal Muse, chaoslord, Moatillata, Amnistar, flerp, ~~Mr. Humalong~~

Mr. Humalong (4): Leith Maclaine, Angelwolf, Quidthulhu, Pussy Quipped, Amnistar, Jonathan Fisk, xopods, flerp, ~~xopods~~, ~~flerp~~, ~~Amnistar~~, ~~Pussy Quipped~~

xopods (4): Jeabus Mahogany, Lumpen, dmboogie, Pussy Quipped

Angelwolf (2): xopods, Mr. Humalong

flerp (1): b-minus1, Amnistar, ~~b-minus1~~, ~~Amnistar~~, Pussy Quipped, b-minus1, ~~Pussy Quipped~~

Leith Maclaine (1): Amnistar, Quidthulhu, Pussy Quipped, Toalpaz, ~~Quidthulhu~~, ~~Pussy Quipped~~, ~~Amnistar~~, ~~Toalpaz~~, Toalpaz

xiw (0): SalTheBard, ~~SalTheBard~~

A Sometimes Food (0): Your Personal Muse, ~~Your Personal Muse~~

Your Personal Muse (0): Toalpaz, ~~Toalpaz~~, Moatillata, ~~Moatillata~~

Lumpen (0): b-minus1, ~~b-minus1~~

b-minus1 (0): Moatillata, ~~Moatillata~~

Jeabus Mahogany (0): Lumpen, xopods, ~~xopods~~, ~~Lumpen~~, flerp, ~~flerp~~

Not Voting (5): A Sometimes Food, Akarshi, cheese sandwich, SalTheBard, xiw

With 22 alive, it's 12 votes to execute. The current deadline is April 22^nd, 2020 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 9 hours, 10 minutes.

These players are ON NOTICE

If these players are still below my postcount on day 3 the CONSEQUENCES will begin.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 18:49

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

PQ can you lay out and explain your train of thought behind your choices for your busdrives?

# ? Apr 22, 2020 18:55

Mr. Humalong: May 7, 2007

Ok I�ll claim. I�m also a cop. I copped cheese sandwich night 0 and got NOT TOWN

I copped myself night 1 and got TOWN

# ? Apr 22, 2020 18:56

Pussy Quipped: Jan 29, 2009

Lumpen posted:

PQ can you lay out and explain your train of thought behind your choices for your busdrives?

N0 - Lumpen and J.Fisk - I had no information to go on N0 so I just chose two posters who I thought were notable and would possibly have actions targeting them

N1 - Cheese and Humalong - I wanted to try and kill humalong in case some vig targeted cheese in order to test Humalongs D1 claim.

I am compulsive and must drive. I didnt have an option to withhold

# ? Apr 22, 2020 19:01

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

PQ likely Town.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 19:03

Your Personal Muse: Oct 5, 2010; what a cool dude

Lumpen posted:

PQ likely Town.

Incorrect

# ? Apr 22, 2020 19:04

b-minus1: Jul 24, 2008; She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

##vote pq

# ? Apr 22, 2020 19:05

Your Personal Muse: Oct 5, 2010; what a cool dude

b-minus1 posted:

##vote pq

Thank you binus, I�m glad my long back and forth with Lumpen set you straight

# ? Apr 22, 2020 19:06

flerp: Feb 25, 2014

Mr. Humalong posted:

Ok I�ll claim. I�m also a cop. I copped cheese sandwich night 0 and got NOT TOWN

I copped myself night 1 and got TOWN

insane cop, got it

# ? Apr 22, 2020 19:25

chaoslord: Jan 28, 2009; Nature Abhors A Vacuum

flerp posted:

insane cop, got it

# ? Apr 22, 2020 19:44

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

I'm starting to think it's possible I have no control over who I track. Here are reasons I think that:

1. Announcing the name of who I tracked. Typically you get something like "You didn't see your target go anywhere", but in this case CPig is purposefully saying "You didn't see (whoever) go anywhere."

2. I could see tracking the wrong target once. Like the odds that in a 26 player game Lumpen and Fisk get bus driven N0, ok, but to have it happen two nights in a row just seems loving astronomical.

3. Announcing it to the thread.

So yeah to boil it down I'm pretty sure I'm loving useless.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 19:47

Pussy Quipped: Jan 29, 2009

SalTheBard posted:

I'm starting to think it's possible I have no control over who I track. Here are reasons I think that:

1. Announcing the name of who I tracked. Typically you get something like "You didn't see your target go anywhere", but in this case CPig is purposefully saying "You didn't see (whoever) go anywhere."

2. I could see tracking the wrong target once. Like the odds that in a 26 player game Lumpen and Fisk get bus driven N0, ok, but to have it happen two nights in a row just seems loving astronomical.

3. Announcing it to the thread.

So yeah to boil it down I'm pretty sure I'm loving useless.

You said you tracked Hawke n1 and it announced Hawke sooooooooo

# ? Apr 22, 2020 19:51

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I completely missed Sal's claim, but I believe the claim, it seems to be working and also verifies PQ's claim, and I am not inclined to vote Sal.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 20:02

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I don't think it's wise to vote any claimed cops. We can solve the dethy with time and data.

# ? Apr 22, 2020 20:03

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# ? Apr 30, 2024 13:31

Pussy Quipped: Jan 29, 2009

Lumpen posted:

I completely missed Sal's claim, but I believe the claim, it seems to be working and also verifies PQ's claim, and I am not inclined to vote Sal.

Same.
Also because he is going to get volcanoed unless he posts more

# ? Apr 22, 2020 20:04

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