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Pastry of the Year posted:free for the rap sheet asking, first come first served I've lurked for long enough that I guess it's time to stop and a probe seems a good way to delay that a while longer. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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SavTargaryen posted:I've lurked for long enough that I guess it's time to stop and a probe seems a good way to delay that a while longer. You, my friend, got yourself a rare and valuable Annie.
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Woof, that took a long rear end time to find. Talib posts loving all day every day. https://twitter.com/TalibKweli/status/1252708468215013376
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There's this idea of the medical model of disability vs. the social model. In the medical model, the only way to deal with a disability is by trying to cure it ASAP. If a cure isn't possible, you have to consign yourself to a miserable half-life as a broken person or "rise above" your disability by working extra-hard to fit in in a non-disabled world. In the social model, disabilities exist because of environmental and social barriers. Society should focus on breaking down these barriers so disabled people can participate more fully in communal life. In this view, having bad vision isn't really a disability because it's well-accommodated by our society. People get screened for it at a young age, glasses and contacts are pretty easy to get unless you're desperately poor, glasses-wearers rarely face discrimination, etc. We don't write inspo-porn articles about people "overcoming" their bad vision, or make movies where characters wallow in misery - or even kill themselves - because they have to wear glasses. This isn't to say that there aren't physical and mental impairments that can cause a lot of suffering, or that wanting to be cured of these impairments is somehow a betrayal of the disabled community. It's that maybe the best thing for disabled people is not to view them as objects of pity and scorn that have to be "fixed."
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Who the heck is/are trapt and why do they now want to fight ice t, i don't get that at all
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ilmucche posted:Who the heck is/are trapt and why do they now want to fight ice t, i don't get that at all insignificant butt-rock band swerving hard-right versus a cultural icon, seems like a super smart move
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ilmucche posted:Who the heck is/are trapt and why do they now want to fight ice t, i don't get that at all He vowed to take on anyone and he can't go back on that now.
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Pththya-lyi posted:This isn't to say that there aren't physical and mental impairments that can cause a lot of suffering, or that wanting to be cured of these impairments is somehow a betrayal of the disabled community. It's that maybe the best thing for disabled people is not to view them as objects of pity and scorn that have to be "fixed." On the other hand, maybe a voluntary limiting of a child's sensorium should be something they decide for themselves once they're adults. If an adult chooses it for themselves, that's one thing, but parents forcing it on their kid is something that doesn't sit well with me. To me it's like parents denying a poorly-sighted child glasses.
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PurpleXVI posted:On the other hand, maybe a voluntary limiting of a child's sensorium should be something they decide for themselves once they're adults. If an adult chooses it for themselves, that's one thing, but parents forcing it on their kid is something that doesn't sit well with me. To me it's like parents denying a poorly-sighted child glasses. Thank you.
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Pastry of the Year posted:You, my friend, got yourself a rare and valuable Annie. You wouldnt happen to have another cat whose picture i can have on my rap sheet? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I bet you don't have a third cat picture! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Don't let anyone tell you that peer pressure doesn't work. Give me a cat picture from the hoard, please. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Pththya-lyi posted:There's this idea of the medical model of disability vs. the social model. In the medical model, the only way to deal with a disability is by trying to cure it ASAP. If a cure isn't possible, you have to consign yourself to a miserable half-life as a broken person or "rise above" your disability by working extra-hard to fit in in a non-disabled world. In the social model, disabilities exist because of environmental and social barriers. Society should focus on breaking down these barriers so disabled people can participate more fully in communal life. bad vision isn't much of a disability because it has a simple technological solution. The same doesn't apply to losing limbs.
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Leavemywife posted:I bet you don't have a third cat picture! Cmon you know crazy cat people have more than 2 cat pictures ^^Related to the above, if bars re-open and bands actually play music live ever again, Trapt has a scheduled show here end of May. I've seen em before as openers but knowing they're batshit crazy always makes things a little more exciting/unpredictable
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gently caress da mods gimme cattes (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cats are good, give cats please. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Agrinja posted:Cats are good, give cats please. This wonderful person missed the window but there was one more Annie to go.
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Captain Monkey posted:More of an update on an idiot. They probably don't poo poo their pants any more of less than any other adult with good muscle control. They're just such noxious people that no one is inclined to suppress the story or frame it in a compassionate way that doesn't define them by it, and they're also such uninteresting people that there's nothing else to supplant it. It's not like people have forgotten piss tape, for example, it's just at the front of anyone's minds anymore because there is so much other Trump garbage to think of.
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Kill all cat, I say. They're just perpetuating the establishment. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I heard this was the thread where I could get a cat.
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CatMod and BirdMod working the same territory, just like nature intended.
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PurpleXVI posted:On the other hand, maybe a voluntary limiting of a child's sensorium should be something they decide for themselves once they're adults. If an adult chooses it for themselves, that's one thing, but parents forcing it on their kid is something that doesn't sit well with me. To me it's like parents denying a poorly-sighted child glasses. Let's extend this out beyond what we have today. It's 2069 and cybernetics are now commonplace. You can get eyeball replacements that let you see in infrared all the way to ultraviolet, xrays, in higher fidelity than a "normal" eyeball. Are you a bad parent for installing cybereyes? If we say yes then we must contend with the fact that there can never be good enough; unless our technology is literal magic there's going to be something or other some part of your body could be doing better or doing more. Moving on, would you be comfortable, say, constantly updating a child's cybereyes over their life? And if we say no things get really interesting from a disability standpoint. PurpleXVI, you used the word "limiting," which at least to me implies that there is some standard or normal baseline that is not being met. Saying no to our cybereyes means this normal, good position must exist because being below or above it in sensory capacity is wrong. What is that normal? Who decides what it is (n.b. MEDICAL SCIENCES ARE NOT VALUE NEUTRAL) and what do we do with those who aren't there? (I am, of course, discounting a naturalist argument, but frankly that poo poo's boring.) Pastry of the Year posted:you don't loving say Your constant rolling meltdown over me is a source of both joy and amusement. Thank you. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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PurpleXVI posted:On the other hand, maybe a voluntary limiting of a child's sensorium should be something they decide for themselves once they're adults. If an adult chooses it for themselves, that's one thing, but parents forcing it on their kid is something that doesn't sit well with me. To me it's like parents denying a poorly-sighted child glasses. It's dangerous to argue making an informed decision to not give your baby a cochlear implant is abusive. It's more like not giving a baby experimental eye surgery that at best results in grainy blurry vision and can cause lifelong complications. Do I think it's important to improve the options we can offer people? Absolutely. But you can't treat them like magic bullet 'cures'.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Aw, did I miss the cat window? I'm utterly certain I did. See me, Mods! See I am un-cat-probatable!!! 
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T-man posted:Let's extend this out beyond what we have today. It's 2069 and cybernetics are now commonplace. You can get eyeball replacements that let you see in infrared all the way to ultraviolet, xrays, in higher fidelity than a "normal" eyeball. Are you a bad parent for installing cybereyes? I don't have a fully formed opinion on the whole thing but there's a big difference between an implant to enable a function that is meant to be there but missing (in this case, hearing), and getting cybernetic replacements to enhance a function that exists. It'd be more like, do you give your child cyber-eyes if they're born blind, and how about if you're blind too and there's an entire Blind culture your family has been a part of and want to share in common with your child, etc. I also would not have any good answer for those hypotheticals tbh  e: My avatar is the catte. My probation is posting.
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PetraCore posted:Except, unfortunately, implants don't perfectly 'cure' deafness, are a permanent surgical solution, and can in some cases end up causing pain and distress because of distressing sensory imput that is poorly filtered. There are valid reasons to argue it's something people should wait to decide for themselves, unlike wearing glasses, and unfortunately the best results for getting the implant seem to result when it's gotten as an infant, which is the argument for doing it early. This is all absolutely true but isn't relevant to T-Man's argument, which was purely over the ethics of changing someone's senses without their consent.
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T-man posted:Your constant rolling meltdown over me is a source of both joy and amusement. Thank you. How was that worth 24 hours?
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T-man posted:Let's extend this out beyond what we have today. It's 2069 and cybernetics are now commonplace. You can get eyeball replacements that let you see in infrared all the way to ultraviolet, xrays, in higher fidelity than a "normal" eyeball. Are you a bad parent for installing cybereyes? Isn't this basically the plot of Gattaca
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Six-Of-Hearts posted:How was that worth 24 hours? I don't know, this pile on T-man party going on has been pretty hosed imo The Neal! has a new favorite as of 00:32 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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bell jar posted:Isn't this basically the plot of Gattaca I'm pretty certain it's actually an argument Data uses in Star Trek for why he shouldn't be taken apart or something?
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Six-Of-Hearts posted:How was that worth 24 hours? It's blatant mod sass, which has always been punishable even if the poster has a cult of personality going.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It's blatant mod sass, which has always been punishable even if the poster has a cult of personality going. Usually with a sixer, though. The targeted new rules and now this are starting to make the mods seem really weird for getting so particular about one person's posts in one specific thread.
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While not Annie, if anyone else wants a cat probation you can always go to the Traveling Kitty Sixer Thread :3 (which hasn't actually traveled in at least a month but whatever)
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It's been discussed and that was overly harsh of me. It was rescinded to six hours.
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Despite the chatter going on in 'woke' circles, you'll find Mr Magoo is actually pretty popular within the Myop community.Son of Thunderbeast posted:there's an entire Blind culture your family has been a part of and want to share in common with your child Ah, Bulgarians.
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Byzantine posted:Ah, Bulgarians. More like oldaltless
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Pastry of the Year posted:It's been discussed and that was overly harsh of me. It was rescinded to six hours. It's all those kitty 6ers you were giving going to your head.
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PurpleXVI posted:On the other hand, maybe a voluntary limiting of a child's sensorium should be something they decide for themselves once they're adults. If an adult chooses it for themselves, that's one thing, but parents forcing it on their kid is something that doesn't sit well with me. To me it's like parents denying a poorly-sighted child glasses. It's a more complex and critical issue than even that, since the parts of the brain that handle speech an language are still malleable and developing during the first few years of life, and if someone is not exposed to speech and verbal communication during those first few years they will not be able to fully develop them later. These sorts of things. I'm not qualified to explain it, but if you're googling it look for papers on severe childhood abuse and isolation where children were not spoken to or exposed to speech during their first few years. Preventing someone from developing verbal skills during their early childhood won't just affect them during childhood, like not having glasses would, it will affect their ability to communicate verbally for the rest of their lives. This applies to sign language as well. Since early childhood is the ideal time to learn multiple languages (for the above reasons), this is their chance to be really fluent in sign and spoken language. You can choose to get a cochlear implant as an adult, but you can't undo your childhood development. It would be nice if it was a simple issue, but it isn't. It's a huge loving can of worms. Syd Midnight has a new favorite as of 05:45 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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