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LimburgLimbo posted:Didn't most of the US operatives in China get exposed because the CIA has laughable infosec. Wouldn't be surprised if there was really nothing meaningful at all They had everyone log into one web portal. It was straight up gross negligence. Now most info comes from leaks accidental or otherwise. People have snuck out the papers relating to treatment of Uhgires in the concentration camps. When asked about the order to suppress studies into the source of the ccpvirus the person didn't quite understand the importance of the order and actually produced the document. There are brave citizen journalists that have a very nasty chance of disappearing. Equally brave witnesses. Inferences can be made from changes in numbers, innocent photos or observations like the massive increase in cremations. Sometimes like the doctor who tried to warn his colleges a story gets too big to cover up so they start the spin machine which as we all know is so bad it stops being funny at times. Absurd PR like zero new infections or deaths arbitrary increased 50%. The CCP is for most part a black box although there are bits you can deduce especially when it comes to "Corruption" trials. What few spies they likely have I would keep very, very close to the vest especially with the Orange menace.
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Atopian posted:That was a while back, and they've presumably gained some replacements for all their doorstep decorations since then. oohhboy posted:They had everyone log into one web portal. It was straight up gross negligence. Yeah I'm sure the US is doing what they can to re-establish networks but I can only imagine that they're nowhere near what they had before, and tbh I doubt their network was that good in the first place. BrainDance posted:Just this conversation is making me feel hungover. Essentially the same thing as Pocari but when it's available Aquarius tastes way better imo Just googled it but what's with the founders' face being on this Dawn 808 stuff haha Do you really want your face to be intimately associated with world ending hangovers?
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pocari is iv liquid w flavoring thats what it was originally imagined as. produced as a sideline of a pharma company too the royal road to hangover cure is an iv up your arm. theres services in vegas and seoul and tokyo where theyll show up w a nurse able to put in ivs in a bus, just for the hangover
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LimburgLimbo posted:Just googled it but what's with the founders' face being on this Dawn 808 stuff haha If 'Drinkers Are Winners Now' hell yeah you wanna be associated with it, who doesn't wanna be a winner? That face is a face of quality!
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bob dobbs is dead posted:pocari is iv liquid w flavoring Isn't that the same service that French footballer Samir Nasri got suspended/fined for using? Although to be fair, from that whole story it looks like he was busted using an escort agency that masquerades as that kind of service. And as an alternate hangover cure to Dawn 808, I use the Korean Raisin drink that they sell here. One brand even just has the chinese character for man as it's label. 
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I've been drinking for almost two decades now and I still haven't learned to make sure that there is some sort of electrolyte drink in my fridge before leaving for a night out. When the hangover has already hit you, it's way too late, the best you can do is limited damage control. I'm now super interested in the possibility of getting a pocari transfusion on the bus on the way home, that's some Oriental Wisdom right there lol
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barbecue at the folks posted:pocari transfusion New username right there
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Horatius Bonar posted:Also, They have or had a branch in Tucheng, New Taipei City and I used to drink at it semiregularly. The algae beer didn't do it for me (tasted like soap) but the other ones on the menu loving ruled. I mean, they only had four beers total, but there wasn't a bad choice. I miss being in my 20s and living in Taiwan. Back to Ajumma chat: I've told this story before, but it's relevant so here we go again: Aside from getting elbowed on train platforms, my one notable experience with them was when I was coming home from Hongdae at like 6:30am and was sitting on a subway next to a group out for their Saturday morning hike. They were all very familiar with the I'm-about-to-puke-face I was making, likely having seen it on their husbands for the last 40 years. Within second I was swarmed by a dozen plastic baggies and they didn't really seem to mind me vomiting copiously next to them. Good times, good times.
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Did Ooh Boy ever post the suit?
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The fifth piece was the friends we made along the way.
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The sixth piece was a face mask all along.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:the royal road to hangover cure is an iv up your arm. Quoting for truth. I was designated driver on a night out when a friend had his drinked spiked with methamphetamine. He'd already had a skinfull, so veered from happy drunk to passing in and out of consciousness pretty rapidly. Got him to hospital, they took some blood, confirmed that he had been spiked (and it wasn't just too much booze as initially suspected), and he spent the night in hospital with a couple of IVs. Next day, he calls me up at 7am to come pick him up because he feels great (oblivious to the fact we all didn't make it to bed til ~3-4am).
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I used to live with a paramedic that I worked with and we had many a Saturday morning where we were starting lines on each other. That poo poo is like magic.
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In Korea I could maybe do that as a last resort, if actually drinking the stuff were somehow not a valid option. In China, though, what are the chances that the needles have been sterilised? Or, y'know, not pre-used?
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Shared needles are good for healthy, you get the last person's immune system info which merges into your own.
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StevoMcQueen posted:Quoting for truth. Your friend probably did those drugs intentionally, was still high in the morning, and lied to you.
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In keeping with the trend of shoddy medical supplies from china, last week there was a massive transport of masks and other supplies bought with public money that came here to a huge media fanfare on the biggest transport plane in the world Antonov An-225. As it turns out the supplies had forged certificates and that means our hospitals are unsure if they are actually safe to use. The only link I have is in polish obviously, and it's behind a paywall https://wroclaw.wyborcza.pl/wroclaw/7,35771,25890303,kghm-kupil-maseczki-z-lewym-certyfikatem-nie-wiadomo-czy-chronia.html quote:Coronavirus outbreak. KGHM has spent millions of public money on Chinese masks with fake certificates. They went to health facilities around the country. Will they be effective and safe in hospitals?
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Stop. Buying. From. China. Countries are lining up to be suckers thinking their order is going to be the good order! Someone needs to throw the book Poorly Made in China to every single leader who thinks of ordering from China. Back when fax machines were a thing you would have Chinese spammers sending product quotes 10 pages long. I wouldn't be surprised if they were getting PPE offers from Hotmail accounts.
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poopnanners posted:Your friend probably did those drugs intentionally, was still high in the morning, and lied to you. Yeah nah. High in the morning yes, but intentionally taken them no. Dude didn't even smoke, let alone do drugs, and in his concious moments was mostly worried about whether this would gently caress up his impending RAF application (it didn't).
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StevoMcQueen posted:Yeah nah. Being able to handle meth was probably seen as a merit.
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It's perfectly possible to buy good stuff from China, you just need to have your own people on the ground there to make sure stuff gets done right. Certainly, don't just order millions of $currency worth of $commodity and assume that everything will be fine - who does that? Well I mean aside from the morons described in that story. EDIT: I guess it's just a radically different worldview that I didn't realise I'd shifted to until I read what I'd written. Contracts don't mean much unless they're very well written, and enforcement would be cheaper than eating the loss. So instead you try to make sure that your interests and theirs coincide as much as possible. If you have a team in China who have been working with you for some time, and expect to continue working with you for some time, then they can help you get good quality at good prices. If you are an inexperienced one-time buyer with no past and no future in the market, what the gently caress do you think is going to happen? Pay the markup charged by importers who *do* deal with this poo poo daily, because that's the only sensible choice. Atopian fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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If you have to do that much leg work maybe you shouldn't buy from them? While there is definitely an element of naivete this should not be the expected process when buying stuff from anyone. It seems every purchase or delivery has been one form of rubbish or another. Random drug dealers or Craigs list have more integrity than this. Also  actually enforcing a contract in China.
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Obviously everyone has to decide for themselves and their situation whether the legwork is worth it or not, but there are certainly situations where it is. China makes a whole shitload of good stuff. The level of industrialisation, logistics, and workforce expertise is amazing. It's just, to actually *access* that requires The Dance, in which it is somehow made clear that actually delivering is more profitable and less troublesome than just subcontracting to your idiot cousin and letting the dice fall where they may. And, contracts can be enforced in China. They usually aren't, either because some moron wrote it according to $not_china law, or because the amount of money involved is less than the cost of enforcement. And in such cases where neither of those is true, the manufacturer will often recognise this and decline to cheat. The reason you hear so much about lovely goods and no legal recourse is because people enter into China deals with entirely the wrong mindset. Now you could forgive this of the first bold pioneers who went out there shortly after things opened up again, but there really is no excuse for that sort of thing these days. Should Chinese manufacturers actually loving do what they promise to do? Yes. Should people who expect that to happen without doing anything to encourage or ensure it get significant amounts of sympathy? No. It's like someone telling a sob story about how they got screwed by a wish from an Evil Genie. Sure the genie is evil, no doubt, but what the gently caress, man?
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There's a scandal going on in Finland too viz Chinese medical supplies. The government agency responsible for emergency supplies gave a Large Sum of Money to some shady 'entrepreneur' and his celebrity plastic surgeon friend, who promised to procure a plane full of medical face masks from China. The masks arrive from China, they begin causing allergic reactions to some of the users and after testing them they just banned their use outright. It turns out the sellers forged the certificates with MS Paint or something, like there were visible artifacts on them from editing them with the eraser brush or something, and now they're trying to find out if the government agency heads were in on the scam or just that goddamn stupid. The whole debacle has been a steady supply of lol's for the last couple of weeks. edit: oh, and after intense media speculation the Finnish chapter of Hell's Angels, who apparently were good friends with the 'entrepreneur', were forced to give out a statement on their twitter that they had nothing to do with the whole thing and would not comment any further barbecue at the folks fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Atopian posted:If you are an inexperienced one-time buyer with no past and no future in the market, what the gently caress do you think is going to happen? For medical gear upon which the failure to comply with labeled properties may literally cost lives? What the gently caress do you think should happen?
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Sure yeah, "Amazing". Apple at one point couldn't get their brand protected or every company getting their tech stolen and you think writing it in "China law" would help swing it in your favour. You do realise they don't have the rule of law? If it somehow got enforced you were either lucky or someone paid a bribe. Bloody international treatises with China are barely worth the paper. Even with The Dance you will eventually get ripped off because that is how it is. We have had people in this forum get ripped off for large orders after The Dance. Someone decides they want a payday now or cut corners gently caress the long term profit now you're poo poo out of luck. The problem was there when Poorly Made in China was written and it's still here now worse than before. The man who knew The Dance couldn't stop getting ripped off. In other news, Sweden is increasingly pissed off with China to the point they have closed all Confucius Institutes and more ties are getting cut. https://hongkongfp.com/2020/04/24/gothenburg-axes-twin-city-agreement-with-shanghai-as-sweden-closes-all-confucius-institutes/ quote:Sweden’s second-largest city has ended its twin-city agreement with Shanghai, according to local media. The move comes as the Scandanavian country closed all of China’s state-run language and cultural institutes.
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One issue is that actually closing a factory and firing the workers can be pretty tricky. So if you have a company with a normal spread of competence and diligence among the staff, a good trick is: i) When you next need to update your industrial equipment, do so at a new facility instead of replacing it in your current place. ii) Move your good staff to the new place, leave the old one running with lovely staff and old equipment. iii) Never give anyone at the old place any raises or promotions, so they'll either quit or have their wages reduced by inflation. iv) Put your idiot cousin in charge of the old factory, so your rich uncle will owe you. v) Deal with actual serious orders at your new site with competent staff and modern equipment. vi) Send any poorly-worded contract orders to your old site, where they get hosed up. Of course, it needn't end there. Let's say your idiot cousin drinks with the local labour officials, and while three bottles in, on the opposite end of a prostitute, persuades them to let him actually close the lovely facility you left him in charge of. Then, when you send him your lovely orders, he just contracts them out at the lowest possible rate, meaning they only get picked up by someone *else's* idiot cousin, who doesn't even have the bonds of family to encourage him to try tondo a halfway decent job. That's when you get actually toxic masks and poo poo.
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McSpanky posted:For medical gear upon which the failure to comply with labeled properties may literally cost lives? What the gently caress do you think should happen? It's best not to think too much about 'should' in relation to China.
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McSpanky posted:For medical gear upon which the failure to comply with labeled properties may literally cost lives? What the gently caress do you think should happen? That's entirely the problem - what you think should happen. In the west we have the idea of regulations (which have been established precisely because bad quality control and profit motive in the west in the past did lead to deaths). In Bad China it's more like "unless I know you/have a reason to care personally, I don't give a poo poo what happens to you." To put it succinctly. Yet business still has to be done, and for profit then people try and push as far as possible what's an acceptable product - like, n95 masks become a square of blueish cloth with elastic. Maybe that's acceptable then great, profit. If not - there's a sucker born every minute. Next. Unless as Atopian said, you do the Dance and get someone who has a real relationship with someone in China making your product to care, or at least align. And yes, even for medical gear which failure to comply with listed properties will result in death. Heads did roll eventually over baby formula - but then again those punishments were more personal-relationship based than establishment of regulatory frameworks that ...work.
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These aren't small players. You have governments placing huge orders that get ripped off with the Chinese government going *Shrug* they were uncertified or some other bullshit. Do you really think those contracts are going to get enforced? I really wouldn't be surprised if TAIWAN #1 giving away more good equipment than what good equipment is getting sold out of China. They certainly do a hell of a lot more than Chinese "Donations".
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A government going directly to buy from China would probably get assigned to an agent who could deal with things adequately for a price. A government going through some weirdass intermediate before the deal even got near the China side is probably going to get ripped off at some point along the way, either by the China corruption clowncar, or by whatever weird situation left them going through strange domestic intermediaries to begin with.
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I think the issue is more that if you are a private individual/company dealing with a chinese individual/company, then yeah, you should expect shoddy workmanship/administrative issues/bullshit hassles. That's the China we all know and The problem is this is governments, proper official government departments dealing with properly huge orders. Yes, a lot of the blame needs to go to the Finnish/Polish officials who took the word of a random bloke saying "Yep, I am the mask guy, I can get you a good price. *wink*". But more needs to go to a system that, in the middle of a pandemic that they contributed to it's spread, is SELLING life saving equipment to public hospitals that is in short supply. Because why did the Finnish/Polish officials buy from the shady trenchcoat guy and not the Chinese Heath Department, (or whatever the official thing would be called)? A sad and possible reason is that by going through official channels they would be charged prohibitively high prices for, again, LIFE SAVING EQUIPMENT. So they go to sketchy Dave from Guangdong, and get burned.
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Let’s not forget the trade deals with Africa. Why are they being delivered such cheap poo poo? Did they not know how to cross their t’s and dot their i’s in Chinese?! ...or maybe they were just being... inscrutable?
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url posted:I don't have search, but following Trump's genius to IV disinfectant, I wanted to highlight that this was tried by a mayor in one of the rural provinces somewhere around the 27th March, buy I can't find the link. ok thanks
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url posted:I don't have search, but following Trump's genius to IV disinfectant, I wanted to highlight that this was tried by a mayor in one of the rural provinces somewhere around the 27th March, buy I can't find the link. I believe they were forced to drink it
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That's the one, some local level official forced people to drink bleach or similar. I scrolled back a bunch of pages but couldn't find it. I was caught in a (pointless) to & fro with an wumao/water army type earlier is why I was looking. Apologies for derail. As regards the Swedish thing, some are saying it's being spun to fit the current #chinaisanasshole narrative that is finally start to get some traction. It's not bad thing regardless of spin, those Confucius Institutes were, at the outset and by design, supposed to be a staging ground to infiltrate and spread the CCP hegemon.
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oohhboy posted:In other news, Sweden is increasingly pissed off with China to the point they have closed all Confucius Institutes and more ties are getting cut. About loving time. All of those places need to be shut down, all they do is spy on Chinese students and terrorise them.
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Counterpoint: Buy from China.quote:After months of norovirus outbreaks on cruise ships, a smoothie is finally implicated
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A reminder UK and Spain also got ripped off by China with useless material. I am sure someone has complied a list and I wouldn't be surprised if every country who ordered has been burned by China.
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