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To be fair, the game teaches you to not trigger rooms full of explosives, although there are some places where it's not clear if the room constitutes one of those. They really should have stuck something like a giant unmovable crate of dynamite at the center of the room to drive it home not to gently caress with it.
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I think that whole segment was also meant to harken back to the tripwire room segment in Half-Life 1, where you'd also die if you set off even a single one of the explosives even if you were past the room already and in the basement below. Episode One also had a room like that, although in that case it wasn't scripted to kill you, rather Valve just put enough explosive barrels in the room that it was almost a certainty unless you were very fast and managed to leap into the waterlogged elevator just before the explosion.
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Ruflux posted:Episode One also had a room like that, although in that case it wasn't scripted to kill you, rather Valve just put enough explosive barrels in the room that it was almost a certainty unless you were very fast and managed to leap into the waterlogged elevator just before the explosion. Leaping into the elevator is, in fact, my preferred way of solving that puzzle.
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Rectus posted:To be fair, the game teaches you to not trigger rooms full of explosives, although there are some places where it's not clear if the room constitutes one of those. They really should have stuck something like a giant unmovable crate of dynamite at the center of the room to drive it home not to gently caress with it. I died an embarassing number of times there, because I couldn't figure out that the barnacle was setting off an explosive tank by biting it. That never happened in a previous game, I'm pretty sure? You had to ignite a barrel while it was being pulled up. Why would a barnacle ignite a barrel by biting it?
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smoobles posted:I died an embarassing number of times there, because I couldn't figure out that the barnacle was setting off an explosive tank by biting it. That never happened in a previous game, I'm pretty sure? You had to ignite a barrel while it was being pulled up. Why would a barnacle ignite a barrel by biting it? That part is ingeniously set up though, like drawing your attention to it, and giving you an "oh gently caress" moment when you are watching it and realize what is happening. I didn't catch on until just before it got set off the first time it happened, and couldn't do anything to stop it tin time. I guess having knowledge on how the mechanic works in the previous games is detrimental here. The part new the beginning where you walk on the roof of a train car near the beginning seems to be set up to clue you in on the mechanic, although it's still not very obvious.
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Rectus posted:I guess having knowledge on how the mechanic works in the previous games is detrimental here. The part new the beginning where you walk on the roof of a train car near the beginning seems to be set up to clue you in on the mechanic, although it's still not very obvious. The problem with that is that you have to stick around and let it bite the barrel, and not just shoot it to set it off like you would in HL2.
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Apr 22, 2020 08:58
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smoobles posted:I died an embarassing number of times there, because I couldn't figure out that the barnacle was setting off an explosive tank by biting it. That never happened in a previous game, I'm pretty sure? You had to ignite a barrel while it was being pulled up. Why would a barnacle ignite a barrel by biting it? I'm pretty sure the barnacle is extra-slow about it, giving you just enough time to go "oh wait, OH poo poo" and shoot it, even if technically it's breaking the established rules of how barnacles interact with explosive barrels from the previous games
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Apr 22, 2020 10:47
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Ruflux posted:I'm pretty sure the barnacle is extra-slow about it, giving you just enough time to go "oh wait, OH poo poo" and shoot it, even if technically it's breaking the established rules of how barnacles interact with explosive barrels from the previous games Ah, but Valve forgot to consider that I'm dumb
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Apr 22, 2020 18:53
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smoobles posted:Ah, but Valve forgot to consider that I'm dumb But are you as dumb as the playtester who always turned right in the antlion tunnels in Episode Two and kept going in a circle, which led to Valve making it far more linear?
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Is Alyx really short? Not as in game duration - the height of the character. Playing through the Northern Star level, I kept opening wall cupboards that felt strangely high and was unable to get to the top shelf in quite a lot of them. It's not like it's anywhere near gamebreaking but it just makes my brain fart because not being tall enough to reach things is not a problem I have. The scale of everything else seems about right and the ground is definitely on the floor.
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Your height in game should be your actual height. I don’t remember any levels feeling off like that but if the floor feels like it’s the right distance then it’s how they made that level
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PIZZA.BAT posted:Your height in game should be your actual height. It gets a little weird if you do couch VR like me and have to set up like you're flying around in a hoverchair or something.
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HLA might be the first VR game I ever finish. It's good. And I don't know what kinda voodoo magic optimization they did, but i get very little motion sickness with this.
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Apr 23, 2020 18:31
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central dogma posted:HLA might be the first VR game I ever finish. It's good. And I don't know what kinda voodoo magic optimization they did, but i get very little motion sickness with this. Boneworks is the only other FPS I've spent a decent chunk of time in, and I've really struggled to get motivated to go back. It does more stuff than HLA but it all feels like a loose jumble in comparison, and my interest in its setting/story just gradually petered out. There is definitely an oddness to its movement feel that I could see putting people off, too, something I didn't generally get in Alyx.
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Boneworks makes me barf and I consider myself pretty solid playing VR games. Alyx was the best locomotion I’ve ever seen.
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SabinBlitz posted:. Alyx was the best locomotion I’ve ever seen. Bwah! Have you only played two vr games ever? Smooth locomotion feels like it was hacked in at the last second.
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For some reason Gorn has the only fluid motion that doesn't make me sick.
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For me it's not smooth locomotion that messes with me, it's smooth turning. Not sure why it's such a stark difference.
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Smooth turning is absolutely no bueno even if you're used to smooth locomotion. I don't feel anything at all while playing Boneworks but smooth turning makes me very uncomfortable.
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Apr 24, 2020 11:22
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Alyx probably had the best teleport locomotion I've ever used, maybe tied with Robo Recall. The sound design was way better than any other implementation and went along way towards giving me a sense of presence. I might try smooth locomotion on my next play through.
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Jack Trades posted:Smooth turning is absolutely no bueno even if you're used to smooth locomotion. It's weird how this is so much more subjective than I would've guessed. Turning feels a bit smoother in Boneworks but everything else feels weirdly off. Turning took a minute to get used to in Alyx but after that movement largely felt great. Just to me of course, but I can't imagine saying Boneworks feels great in comparison. 
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Yeah, I've been streaming my Alyx gameplay just for friends I can't hang out with. I was looking back at the VODs and saw how jarring the snap turns are when you're not controlling them. I thought "I got used to smooth locomotion easy enough, why don't I try smooth turning?" I noped out after about 15 seconds.
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The problem with 99% of smooth turning implementations is that they are god awful slow, thinking that going fast is what causes the problem. This is actually the opposite, as going slow enough to be able to visually see the moving world causes your brain to try to identify what is going on with your orientation and why your body doesn’t feel movement. Slow smooth turn is essentially a static rotation and this is no good. Try something like contractors or virtual battlegrounds and crank the turning speed to near max, you will turn extremely fast like in a console FPS using a game pad and your brain just skips processing the fragment of info when you turn the amount you want. This dynamic turning allows you to easily turn just the amount you want in small bursts and is closer to what your brain processes when looking around irl.
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Alyx probably had the best teleport locomotion I've ever used, maybe tied with Robo Recall. The sound design was way better than any other implementation and went along way towards giving me a sense of presence. I might try smooth locomotion on my next play through. Agreed. Honestly I think it was a combination of all their systems that gave the feeling of it being the best experience (imo) yet. No one thing was so mind blowingly good that it made everything else not matter, it was that they all did very well in their own categories and that's what brought it to such a high level.
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SabinBlitz posted:Boneworks makes me barf and I consider myself pretty solid playing VR games. Alyx was the best locomotion I’ve ever seen. Alyx is ok, but best locomotion? That just says you haven’t really played much. Try something like Lone Echo, or Budget Cuts, or Tea for God. Or Stormlands. There’s a lot better or more interesting, is my point. However, the Grabbity Gloves are the best full stop.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Alyx is ok, but best locomotion? That just says you haven’t really played much. Try something like Lone Echo, or Budget Cuts, or Tea for God. Or Stormlands. Budget cuts and tea for god both require room space though, which I think makes the comparison apples to oranges. I personally am excited to try Lone Echo and Stormlands but am apprehensive due to having to run it with revive on my aging i5 6600k. I will say it’s interesting that I never got sick in Alyx, but other games that support teleportation have still been a mixed bag for me.
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I love the option to have smooth movement and teleport at the same time. I used smooth movement 99% of the time and then teleport to get through small spaces. Every game needs to copy that scheme
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I love the option to have smooth movement and teleport at the same time. Personally I'd rather the game make me actually crouch. Alyx forcing me to teleport through places I should've been able to crawl though was really annoying.
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Brownie posted:Budget cuts and tea for god both require room space though, which I think makes the comparison apples to oranges. I can't speak to Stormlands but Lone Echo won't give you any problems with that processor.
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Jack Trades posted:Personally I'd rather people who have difficulty crouching suck it up than me choosing not to. FTFY
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"Choosing" implies options. There's no option to not teleport through crawling spaces in this game.
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Jack Trades posted:Personally I'd rather the game make me actually crouch. Yeah but you’re the outlier there. Not everyone can do that for space reasons, physical reasons, or (in my case) laziness reasons. E: just saw your last post. Yes, a checkbox for crouch type would have been better
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Some of the forced teleporting and "hold button to traverse obstacle" bits feel like artifacts of the early VR era, like their next big game will probably work out a better solution.
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Jack Trades posted:"Choosing" implies options. There's no option to not teleport through crawling spaces in this game. I played the game seated with smooth locomotion and I think the only forced teleports were for "jumps", maybe you just didn't get low enough. I had to go lower than a crouch, into prone, to be able to crawl through a lot of spaces. I did think it was weird that you could teleport through tiny holes in a window without breaking it, kinda broke the reality of the game since you weren't supposed to actually be using a teleporter.
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Can their next big game be Portal VR tho
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SlipkPIe posted:Can their next big game be Portal VR tho I almost threw up just from imagining this
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Portal 3 but it's just you watching JK Simmons reading really good dialogue, in 3D
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