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fanny packrat posted:I wanted so badly to make Waxadred work and I just couldn't. Good to see that it's a viable card...when a priest copies it. wait til you think about how soul mirror screws the lucentbark decks that will never exist thanks priests
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AnacondaHL posted:They really wanted to make sure that the Outcast mechanic wasn't a flop out of the gate, for obvious marketing and monetary reasons. It's the reason why Twin Slice isn't in Classic, it's in the Initiate set that will rotate out of Standard eventually. Blizzard have also said they're not settled yet on what will/won't make the DH basic set cut come the end of the year, so they might swap some cards in and out. I wouldn't be surprised if Twin Slice made their base set, it feels like an essential card to get their whole kit working. Very comparable to Backstab for Rogue.
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AnacondaHL posted:They really wanted to make sure that the Outcast mechanic wasn't a flop out of the gate, for obvious marketing and monetary reasons. It's the reason why Twin Slice isn't in Classic, it's in the Initiate set that will rotate out of Standard eventually. As was pointed out, they actually didn't have a ton to directly profit off of Outcast being good. On that note: Is DH actually still succesful at high ranks? Definitely been able to beat it frequently with Galakrond Rogue and Warlock. I've been struggling with Warrior but that's more because I think hack the system warrior is garbage.
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Cuntellectual posted:On that note: Is DH actually still succesful at high ranks? Definitely been able to beat it frequently with Galakrond Rogue and Warlock. I've been struggling with Warrior but that's more because I think hack the system warrior is garbage. Resharing this which is the bog-standard DH list making the rounds: quote:### Tempo Demon Hunter Supposedly it's Tier 1, but HSReplay probably hasn't fully updated to reflect the post-nerf data yet.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Been messing around a lot with this deck I made, I suspect there should be an optimized version somewhere but other than a link to that I'd love to hear anyones thoughts. Freezing trap seems really bad in a phase stalker deck. That trap pretty often does nothing in the current meta: there are a LOT of 1-cost 1/1s and 2/1s being played. Hitting any other trap is more guaranteed early-game punch, and that appears to be a weakness. Your deck has plenty of value; it just needs to get there. e: replace with draw / cycling / removal in order to get your value engine going
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Apr 29, 2020 13:15
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DNK posted:Freezing trap seems really bad in a phase stalker deck. That trap pretty often does nothing in the current meta: there are a LOT of 1-cost 1/1s and 2/1s being played. Hitting any other trap is more guaranteed early-game punch, and that appears to be a weakness. Your deck has plenty of value; it just needs to get there. Good point, I've also noticed it sending a lot of nice battlecry cards back that I don't appreciate
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Cuntellectual posted:As was pointed out, they actually didn't have a ton to directly profit off of Outcast being good. Well sure, but they had a ton to lose if Outcast was bad, we just don't know to what extent without like a quarterly earnings report. Like it feels like they really did not want to lose eyeballs to MTGA or LoR's set releases. And yes, DH is still successful, however at the very top a lot of players are on Warrior because it's a very Legend-y deck: has game vs DH, can be aggro or control, and play quality matters for results. Here's the  screenshot from today:
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Warrior has really had a meteoric rise this set huh? Edit: On that note, what's some "safe" stuff to craft now? Gorefiend looks pretty good and enables Egg Warrior and Face Hunter right? Blooming Brilliant fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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Blooming Brilliant posted:Warrior has really had a meteoric rise this set huh? Gorefiend not safe yet. All three decks that use it are still figuring out if it's even worth it. As long as Rogue (Blackjack Stunner/Sap) and Priest exist, it may not happen this expansion. In Zoo, most builds have moved away, but I appreciate the ability to clear up board space on your own in certain matchups. In Face Hunter, I really like how the 5/6 Phase Stalker version plays, and think Teron is overkill, but nothing is consensus yet. In Warrior, it's a 50/50 split on Egg+Teron supporters vs not, and this goes all the way up into high level streamers and GMs.
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On the other hand, if you are into Wild at all I think Gorefiend will be very useful. There's already a decent Egg Hunter deck with it and his unique effect could definitely be abused at some point. Teron and Hanar have been my only two Legendary crafts so far. Still waiting another week or so before burning my last 6400 dust. Maiev was the prediction for safest craft and while that might still be the case, I don't know if she is quite as ubiquitous as was predicted. The Primes seem well balanced. Good, powerful cards with interesting effects but nothing busted so far.
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I think Maiev will always have a home somewhere, but as a tech card - essentially as a better Spellbreaker. The question is really whether you think it's worth crafting a legendary for your tech card slot, which by definition will only be raising your win rate marginally.
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If you target a Gorefiend with Mok'Natal Lion, does it summon minions when it dies? Or is it "blank"?
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Chernabog posted:If you target a Gorefiend with Mok'Natal Lion, does it summon minions when it dies? Or is it "blank"? it does resummon the minions "stored" in teron. Lost to a face hunter who played teron + lion on the turn he completed toxic reinforcements 
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peer posted:it does resummon the minions "stored" in teron. Lost to a face hunter who played teron + lion on the turn he completed toxic reinforcements That's a bad beat, but I bet it felt incredible from his end.
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Is it the same with cube or moat lurker? I seem to recall those only worked with stuff such as faceless manipulator.
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Since I switched over to playing zoo I've played priests in 40% of my ranked matches. That's not a fun matchup at all. HS Replay says priest is about 10% of the meta right now.
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Apr 29, 2020 19:29
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fanny packrat posted:Since I switched over to playing zoo I've played priests in 40% of my ranked matches. That's not a fun matchup at all. HS Replay says priest is about 10% of the meta right now. Priest looks like it has the toolbox to deal with DH but the problem is that it can’t reliably put up any sort of threat while also dealing with the onslaught. They spend the entire game on the backfoot and their only real victory condition is still being alive when the DH runs out of cards. This leaves them vulnerable to getting bursted out by some combination of Metamorphosis/Mistress/Altruis if their defense isn’t perfect.
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fanny packrat posted:Since I switched over to playing zoo I've played priests in 40% of my ranked matches. That's not a fun matchup at all. HS Replay says priest is about 10% of the meta right now. It may not be fun, but it is an even matchup. You just really need to get a Scrap Imp or Hand start. Throw away all traditional Zoo openers. Promoted Pawn posted:Priest looks like it has the toolbox to deal with DH but the problem is that it can’t reliably put up any sort of threat while also dealing with the onslaught. They spend the entire game on the backfoot and their only real victory condition is still being alive when the DH runs out of cards. This leaves them vulnerable to getting bursted out by some combination of Metamorphosis/Mistress/Altruis if their defense isn’t perfect. Priest is unfavored against DH, it exists to keep Warrior in check and also Face Hunters at lower ranks.
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AnacondaHL posted:Priest is unfavored against DH, it exists to keep Warrior in check and also Face Hunters at lower ranks. I started from the premise of “here’s why I think so many people are playing priest right now even though it’s not great” and I guess I forgot to actually put that in the post. Whoops.
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in the next patch they should make it so that if you're playing an aggro deck and you rope t1 you instantly lose
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Julio Cruz posted:in the next patch they should make it so that if you're playing an aggro deck you instantly lose I'd be okay with that.
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AnacondaHL posted:It may not be fun, but it is an even matchup. You just really need to get a Scrap Imp or Hand start. Throw away all traditional Zoo openers. I think I'm a game under .500 against them. I've scammed a few wins by multiplying Zephrys with Expired Merchant after getting lots of chip damage in and working the draw engine. Scrap Imp can be a real liability when they copy it. Here, have a 7/7 that heals you for 5 every turn! Ultimately I just need more reps. I also looked at the VS list, but it runs Tekhan and I don't have him.
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Promoted Pawn posted:Priest looks like it has the toolbox to deal with DH but the problem is that it can’t reliably put up any sort of threat while also dealing with the onslaught. They spend the entire game on the backfoot and their only real victory condition is still being alive when the DH runs out of cards. This leaves them vulnerable to getting bursted out by some combination of Metamorphosis/Mistress/Altruis if their defense isn’t perfect. Yeah, exactly this. Priest has some absolutely amazing cards to handle DH - the issue is that they basically need to have drawn all of them before turn 10. Or build your deck to do nothing but beat DH, which isn't really practical. AnacondaHL posted:It may not be fun, but it is an even matchup. You just really need to get a Scrap Imp or Hand start. Throw away all traditional Zoo openers. Depends on the Priest build, I think - against zoo anyway. Demon Hunter is a different story, they have a lot more burst and you can't stabilize behind a taunt wall. I find that against Zoo I can usually wear them down even through their draw, so long as I kept a board presence in the early game and hit at least one of my card generators (Sethekk, Galakrond, the 4/9 dragon).
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The tiny discover pool in this week's brawl results in some really funny turns. As said by someone on Hearthpwn:quote:Turn 4, Arcane Breath into Arcane Breath into Arcane Breath into Arcane Breath into opponent concedes. EDIT: Also a lot of classes have 0 board clears so if you lose the board you're screwed. RatHat fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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What are they qualifying as “Control Warrior” because the only decks I can see under that category have extremely tiny samples
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Promoted Pawn posted:What are they qualifying as “Control Warrior” because the only decks I can see under that category have extremely tiny samples A weird mix of Egg decks that don't have Eggs, some mis-classified Bomb Warrior decks that are built heavier, and basically any deck that runs Deathwing Mad Aspect But yea you need to have Legend data unlocked to see most of the data
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Is there still fuckall Wild data? Last time I checked, there were literally only three decks listed in the free section, and from what I heard from people who did shell out for it, the Premium stuff was barely any better.
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Regalingualius posted:Is there still fuckall Wild data? Last time I checked, there were literally only three decks listed in the free section, and from what I heard from people who did shell out for it, the Premium stuff was barely any better. The meta page doesn't support Wild (yet?). At Diamond+Legend there are a handful of decks with over 2k games played, and 62 with 500+ games since the patch. Otherwise sorting by win% in Legend shows a bunch of Odd DH variants at the top.
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RatHat posted:The tiny discover pool in this week's brawl results in some really funny turns. As said by someone on Hearthpwn: I just did a quick dragon hunter to knock it out quick since like all of those cards are in the pool. The 2/3 secret beast guy isn't so bad, dart trap and cat trick are both fine.
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AnacondaHL posted:Well sure, but they had a ton to lose if Outcast was bad, we just don't know to what extent without like a quarterly earnings report. Like it feels like they really did not want to lose eyeballs to MTGA or LoR's set releases. Interesting, considering Warrior was really down in the trash. I know eggro warrior but how do the control decks work?
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AnacondaHL posted:A weird mix of Egg decks that don't have Eggs, some mis-classified Bomb Warrior decks that are built heavier, and basically any deck that runs Deathwing Mad Aspect I'll run Deathwing Mad Aspect in any Warrior deck because it has the sickest intro music sting since Tirion.
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Is there a way to show someone what cards you own? I am trying to make a Galakrond deck and I’d like input but it’d probably help to show what I have. I don’t have a lot. 
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victorious posted:I'll run Deathwing Mad Aspect in any Warrior deck because it has the sickest intro music sting since Tirion. On that note, HotS has a tremendously good remix of Deathwing's Last Stand it used for his login screen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNLAJjTfPg0 I always (often) turn on my game music and sound for certain legendaries that are just so satisfying to hear. Ehehehe! We're gonna blow this place SKY HIGH! TO HIS WILL! ALL FLESH SUCCUMBS! (What he said.) PREPARE YOURSELVES, FOR THE ULTIMATE CHALLENGE! 
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Is metastats.net worthwhile? I always see people reference hsreplay.net stats here. But metastats lets you filter and search without paying 
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Anyone else using the PackTracker plugin in HDT? It disappeared for me (showing "Empty ..." in the plugin-dropdown in HDT) and when I try to reinstall by drag/dropping it back in, I get an "Error importing, please install manually to <plugin folder path>" - the DLL is still there. Tried downloading the latest version, no dice.
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Cuntellectual posted:Interesting, considering Warrior was really down in the trash. I know eggro warrior but how do the control decks work? AnacondaHL posted:A weird mix of Egg decks that don't have Eggs, some mis-classified Bomb Warrior decks that are built heavier, and basically any deck that runs Deathwing Mad Aspect It's all the same Risky Skipper + Corsair Cache + Ancharrr core (see below image: the same 27 card core), with different frills and finishers surrounding them. Here are Warrior card usage stats in Legend for the past 3 days, note the drop in deck% from Rampage to the egg-specific cards: 
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Regalingualius posted:Is there still fuckall Wild data? Last time I checked, there were literally only three decks listed in the free section, and from what I heard from people who did shell out for it, the Premium stuff was barely any better. VS is good when they get around to doing a Wild report every 6-ish weeks but I think otherwise the best free source for the Wild meta is Tempo Storm.
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mcbexx posted:Anyone else using the PackTracker plugin in HDT? Pack tracker hasn't worked for me since it wanted to update today. I updated and it disappeared from HDT and I can't get it to reinstall.
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