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Pham Nuwen posted:Recommend against typing "kiddo" immediately after your porn directory path unless you're bucking for a mod position 
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I bet the serial connection on the tape drive was just for controlling it, though. To actually put data on it you could hook it to your soundcard and use something like https://github.com/vlofgren/file-transfer-over-soundcard to do the binary/sound/binary conversions. I don't see any huge problems in making it work, but "work well" may be pushing your luck.
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Is it obsolete to build a new computer and leave one panel off with a spare SATA/PSU cable hanging out of it so I can transfer old files to the new HDD? I've got one to go of the three I had.
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Manuel Calavera posted:Is it obsolete to build a new computer and leave one panel off with a spare SATA/PSU cable hanging out of it so I can transfer old files to the new HDD? I've got one to go of the three I had. Nope, that's how I do it. I just leave the side panel off and plug/unplug drives as needed until I'm happy.
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I took a Dremel to one of the blanks on the back of the case and fed a SATA and power through that. Now I just use one of those USB 3 cabinets. It's lost some of the charm but made up for it in convenience.
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Manuel Calavera posted:Is it obsolete to build a new computer and leave one panel off with a spare SATA/PSU cable hanging out of it so I can transfer old files to the new HDD? I've got one to go of the three I had. If you have an eSATAp port, you could use that with an adapter cable.
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Antioch posted:I took a Dremel to one of the blanks on the back of the case and fed a SATA and power through that. Make sure you put a rubber grommet around the hole, or at least wrap it in a bunch of layers of electrical tape.
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Lurking Haro posted:When you choose the Folder "Work Stuff" and it takes 10 waves until you remember that's your porn folder. just lol if it's not just a 2 terabyte folder labeled "pornographs" on your nas like a normal person so you can avoid looking foolish in front of everybody
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blatman posted:just lol if it's not just a 2 terabyte folder labeled "pornographs" on your nas like a normal person so you can avoid looking foolish in front of everybody Would you choose a 2 TiB folder willingly in Inner Space? Oh god, the duplicates...
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Scarodactyl posted:I bought the full version of Operation: Inner Space, a game from '94 that still ran natively on windows up to 7 (maybe even on 10?). It is still for sale at its original full retail price, which is sort of cool and sort of a bummer. Doom as an interface for file management quote:If the user inflicts a wound upon a process monster, the corresponding process' priority is lowered to give it fewer CPU cycles. When the monster accumulates enough damage and is killed, the associated process is also killed.
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May 2, 2020 22:29
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PSdoom must have magnitudes more words written about it than the lines of code it took to implement. 
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I'm an analog data snob, just load Firefox from a couple hundred custom made vinyl records, really improves the warmth and tone of your websites
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Computer viking posted:I bet the serial connection on the tape drive was just for controlling it, though. Oh yeah, of course  So how reliable were cassette tapes for data storage? I never had a Commodore 64 or similar. I assume error correcting codes would have been too complicated for that area, so if they failed it would have been ugly? Did they tend to just work unless you left them on top of a speaker or TV? Manuel Calavera posted:Is it obsolete to build a new computer and leave one panel off with a spare SATA/PSU cable hanging out of it so I can transfer old files to the new HDD? I've got one to go of the three I had. I've got a rear bracket with two eSATA ports and a Molex power connector, which connects to regular SATA ports on the motherboard, and eSATA to SATA cables and a Molex to 2x SATA power (or whatever you call the new type of power connector) cable, so I can get the same effect without leaving a panel off. So yeah I guess it's obsolete, but I'd do it that way too if I didn't get all those bits for free  Connecting drives via USB just isn't the same, you can't always get the SMART monitoring data off them for example.
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Yeah, this is my first time hearing/reading about people using eSATA ports. Never used them myself and never seen/heard of anyone else using them.
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My second NAS was a mini-itx with an eSATA port, connected to a 5-bay enclosure. The port did multiplication, so all 5 drives would appear to the host OS and I could do my RAID in there. It was not fast, or reliable.
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90s Solo Cup posted:Yeah, this is my first time hearing/reading about people using eSATA ports. Never used them myself and never seen/heard of anyone else using them.
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90s Solo Cup posted:Yeah, this is my first time hearing/reading about people using eSATA ports. Never used them myself and never seen/heard of anyone else using them. I have a dual external HDD docjk with eSATA. Very handy when transferring data off drives.
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There are some complexities I should have mentioned. eSATA is hot-pluggable, but the Molex power connector thing I have, I don't really think I should try hot plugging that Hot-pluggable power connectors normally have longer ground pins or something. I've also got an external power brick I can use for hard drives, and that works fine for hot-plugging - just plug in the SATA cable to the drive before turning it on.Then there's the question of how to get the machine to detect the new drive if you hot-plugged it. On Linux you use some command to get it to rescan for new devices, and you can narrow that down to a particular SCSI bus or all buses. I can't remember how to do it on Windows. I think some SATA ports just automatically detect new devices, particularly if you're using an actual eSATA port that is exposed externally by the motherboard, or a port on the motherboard that says it is for eSATA, rather than just a SATA port with a bracket. Also some ports don't seem to detect new devices at all, I think this can particularly occur if you don't have the SATA port configured as AHCI or something, but instead it's in ATA compatibility mode, in which case I don't think rescanning is possible. Maybe I'm just mixing some of those things up. If you want to hot remove a drive, under Linux I tend to tell it to delete the device before I disconnect (not just unmount it), which actually makes the drive spin down, because I've had some machines that reliably hang when I don't. I don't think all machines are like that though. In summary, it's complicated, and unless you're going to do a lot of this stuff, it's probably not worth worrying about all these details, and just do it the old-fashioned way
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In windows, you just go to the device manager and scan for new hardware.
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Buttcoin purse posted:So how reliable were cassette tapes for data storage? I never had a Commodore 64 or similar. I assume error correcting codes would have been too complicated for that area, so if they failed it would have been ugly? Did they tend to just work unless you left them on top of a speaker or TV? They were reliable enough back in the day. The only problems I ever had were with lovely cassette players chewing up the tape rather than any problem with the tapes themselves. Long term it depends a lot on how they've been stored, but I've got ZX Spectrum games from the early 80s that mostly still work fine. For error correcting there was usually something, even if it was just a checksum byte. Computers could generally work out if loading had failed even if they couldn't do much about it beside printing an error message and making you start over. So it was more error-detection than correction I guess.
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Buttcoin purse posted:If you want to hot remove a drive, under Linux I tend to tell it to delete the device before I disconnect (not just unmount it), which actually makes the drive spin down, because I've had some machines that reliably hang when I don't. I don't think all machines are like that though. Does running "eject" on the device not do enough? Deleting the device file sounds like a very odd thing to have to do. (I've never had to do that) eSATA is excellent though, and some crazy USB ports actually have the eSATA socket smushed in them too, as eSATAp, but I'm not sure if that's a proper standard or something insane motherboard manufacturers just do for fun/to confuse users.
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Sweevo posted:They were reliable enough back in the day. The only problems I ever had were with lovely cassette players chewing up the tape rather than any problem with the tapes themselves. Long term it depends a lot on how they've been stored, but I've got ZX Spectrum games from the early 80s that mostly still work fine. Yup, Spectrum BASIC had one-byte checksums with no error correction. If you got the dreaded Tape Loading Error, you had to rewind and retry, possibly after fiddling with the cable and volume control. It was quite reliable due to the low transfer speed. IIRC, the Spectrum tape format used some kind of FSK modulation.
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Well since I got us on this topic. I have a related question. If I'm taking these HDDs to recycle, should I get them wiped entirely? There's nothing iffy save for my massive :files: collection of music. I'm probably gonna just donate the whole computer or recycle it, since the parts are a decade old.
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If you're worried about there being sensitive data just run a drill bit through it a couple of times. If you're not, I wouldn't worry about it.
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take apart the drive and make windchimes
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Peanut Butler posted:take apart the drive and make windchimes There are wicked rad rare earth magnets inside platter drives.
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Nocheez posted:If you're worried about there being sensitive data just run a drill bit through it a couple of times. If you're not, I wouldn't worry about it. If its really sensitive data the NSA can use an electron microscope and read it bit by bit but unless you're big enough to warrant scope time that's probably enough
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If you aren't keen to physically destroy the HDD I'd just use DBAN, honestly. https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-erase-a-hard-drive-using-dban-2619148 However, be sure to first remove any HDDs containing data you care about.
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Use bleach 
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an actual frog posted:If you aren't keen to physically destroy the HDD I'd just use DBAN, honestly. https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-erase-a-hard-drive-using-dban-2619148 DBAN is obsolete technology. A full format in Windows zeroes out the drive. Multiple passes haven't been necessary for a long time.
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TotalLossBrain posted:Use bleach It doesn't have a virus.
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Toast Museum posted:DBAN is obsolete technology. A full format in Windows zeroes out the drive. Multiple passes haven't been necessary for a long time. Sure but DBAN still feels more like, official. The drill press is the meal "I'm done with this drive entirely" though.
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drill press is a waste, simply calcine the thing in a furnace and then dissolve the ashes in acid. Then precipitate the precious metals for free money!
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Just watch out for all the toxic byproducts that releases!
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legooolas posted:Does running "eject" on the device not do enough? Deleting the device file sounds like a very odd thing to have to do. Oops, that was poor wording! I'm not deleting the device file, I'm getting the SCSI "address" (probably the wrong word) from the lsscsi command, then running: echo 1 > /sys/class/scsi_device/ADDRESS/device/delete I'm pretty sure eject just unmounts, maybe newer distributions do the above bit too, maybe the kernel is now better and can live without that step, maybe everything is completely different! legooolas posted:eSATA is excellent though, and some crazy USB ports actually have the eSATA socket smushed in them too, as eSATAp, but I'm not sure if that's a proper standard or something insane motherboard manufacturers just do for fun/to confuse users. I don't know how standard it is but I think multiple manufacturers support it. I must get myself some cables someday before they can only be found in landfill. I don't even know how new vs. obsolete that standard is 
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Is esata used anymore? I remembered that hard drive dock has an esata port and I have an esata card that supports port multiplier but whenever I actually turn the dock on, my computer locks up. The dock itself and the drives are fine, because the USB port on it works, but is just slower. Doing some googling, it seems that every esata card I can find has a controller that doesn't support AHCI and won't work on modern hardware.
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eSATA was basically DOA because USB2.0 was good enough for most home users. USB3.0 was the final nail in the coffin.
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This discussion reminds me how a friend of mine used to hate the idea of everyone using the same format, he would say it was a "monopoly" and therefor bad. All HDs are IDE? That means the person who owns the patent for IDE is making tons of money for nothing, so I'm tracking down SCSI hard drives in 1998. He eventually grew out of it, but it was his late teen/early 20s rebellion.
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