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Leslie Jordan, is that the little guy who they keep pulling pranks on in Ski Patrol?
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# ? May 6, 2020 01:13 |
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# ? Apr 27, 2024 17:42 |
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ruddiger posted:Leslie Jordan, is that the little guy who they keep pulling pranks on in Ski Patrol? You havent been watching his instagrams during quarantine? You are in for a treat
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# ? May 6, 2020 01:44 |
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Detective No. 27 posted:Despite the really obvious visual imagery of the sperm going in the egg thing when he's telling the story, everyone at Lucasfilm has denied it being the case. Schwarzwald posted:The read that Palpatine is secretly confessing to being Anakin's father or whatever also misses the point he's trying to make with the story. Lucas actually did originally have dialogue later in the movie in the scene where Palpatine confesses to Anakin that he's the Sith Lord, where Palpatine adds that he created Anakin through the Force and "You might say... I am your father." And Anakin replies with, "That's not true! That's impossible!" I remember it being in one of the various behind the scenes making-of books that came out around the time of Episode III.
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# ? May 6, 2020 04:16 |
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Chairman Capone posted:Lucas actually did originally have dialogue later in the movie in the scene where Palpatine confesses to Anakin that he's the Sith Lord, where Palpatine adds that he created Anakin through the Force and "You might say... I am your father." And Anakin replies with, "That's not true! That's impossible!" I remember it being in one of the various behind the scenes making-of books that came out around the time of Episode III. I have less of a problem with that then this whole idea that Palpatine's clone fucks and creates Rey somehow (also the clone thing isn't even really in the movie, that is just what Lucasfilm is now saying after the fact).
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# ? May 6, 2020 05:28 |
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:This bullshit in all media that everyone is connected and gosh the hero who started has a nobody is actually the secret nephew of previous hero is some reactionary monarchist bullshit.
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# ? May 6, 2020 05:34 |
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Schwarzwald posted:All the birth symbolism is meant to drive home that Anakin feels guilty for impregnating his wife, what with his marriage being verboten and his prophesying her death during childbirth and all. It's kind of weak to put that out there just to make that point. If you have an immaculate conception and then later have an evil wizard say that actually the immaculate conception was caused by his spell, it feels a bit like a bait and switch to then go nope, just a regular immaculate conception like we said earlier.
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# ? May 6, 2020 06:28 |
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Grendels Dad posted:It's kind of weak to put that out there just to make that point. If you have an immaculate conception and then later have an evil wizard say that actually the immaculate conception was caused by his spell, it feels a bit like a bait and switch to then go nope, just a regular immaculate conception like we said earlier. The evil wizard very pointedly doesn't say that, though. Like, here's the how the scene goes: Palp tells Anakin that the Jedi don't trust him, and are purposely keeping their power to themselves rather than sharing it with him. Palp tell Anakin the Jedi are going to betray the Republic in a bid to maintain their own power. Palp says the Jedi and the Sith are pretty much the same. Then he tells a story about a cool old Sith dude who tried to live forever only to be thwarted by his heir. The moral being that when somebody selfishly keeps power for themselves (like the Jedi) its understandable that the upcoming generation (like Anakin) would object (by killing them). When Anakin asks him "hey, was any of that magic poo poo in that story actually real?" Palp replies, "uhh, maybe it could be real, but if it was the Jedi wouldn't let you have it (so you should kill them)." Palp doesn't imply any relation or appeal to any sense of familial devotion. The immaculate conception connection is certainly there, and I'd be willing to believe there was an earlier version of the story where it played a part. But if so, its been so well removed that all that's left are threads that don't really lead anywhere. I get the urge to try and make it all fit, but you can't really do that without overlooking the context and the character's motivations. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 17:25 on May 6, 2020 |
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Schwarzwald posted:The evil wizard very pointedly doesn't say that, though. Right, it must have played a part because it would be a weird thing to bring up out of nowhere. That there are threads leading nowhere is exactly what feels off about the scene, because it feels like an answer to a question the movies aren't interested in even asking, i.e. Anakin's father. It's a great scene though, and I like that the point about the fatherhood doesn't even occur to Anakin himself.
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# ? May 6, 2020 08:30 |
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Grendels Dad posted:It's a great scene though, and I like that the point about the fatherhood doesn't even occur to Anakin himself. It doesn’t occur to Anakin because that’s not what’s being said. Palpatine is merely using Anakin’s virgin birth as proof that these God-powers exist and are theoretically obtainable. He’s literally just saying “your mom got knocked up by God, and we know the exact mechanism He used, so figuring out resurrection/immortality should be fairly easy.”
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# ? May 6, 2020 08:59 |
Does Anakin even know he was immaculately conceived?
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# ? May 6, 2020 09:14 |
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I still like the idea that creating and preserving life is specifically a Dark Side power, while becoming a ghost is a Light Side one. The Sith try to stave off death desperately while the Jedi transcend it.
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# ? May 6, 2020 09:18 |
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PriorMarcus posted:Does Anakin even know he was immaculately conceived? Why wouldn’t he?
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# ? May 6, 2020 09:26 |
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I think the thing about the opera scene is that Anakin's whole arc in the prequels is of someone who is ruined by doubt (or fear). This is a very intentional parallel to how he is eventually redeemed by hope, and how his son does not repeat his mistakes. Like people ( fairly) criticise the writing of these films but this theme or arc in the prequels is very intentional and very obvious. So the opera scene plays into that by having the villain cast doubt on one of the character's core aspects, that (some of) the jedi believe he is the chosen one. What if he was just created by a sith? What if the prophecy was also just a lie? The point is almost not to show Anakin (and the audience) that he was doomed all along, but just to push him further into doubt imo. Because there is no prophecy in the original films, the whole arc of the character actually works a bit better in this sense as saying something about hope and faith. You don't get a clear answer that the prophecy was true - but through hope in the face of doubt, the heroes ultimately overcome evil.
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# ? May 6, 2020 09:38 |
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So I haven't seen a Star Wars film since Attack of the Clones when it was in theaters and reading through all this poo poo over the last five years has been loving hysterical.
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# ? May 6, 2020 13:05 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I still like the idea that creating and preserving life is specifically a Dark Side power, while becoming a ghost is a Light Side one. The Sith try to stave off death desperately while the Jedi transcend it. At least until The Rise of Skywalker lmao
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# ? May 6, 2020 14:25 |
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Pope Corky the IX posted:So I haven't seen a Star Wars film since Attack of the Clones when it was in theaters and reading through all this poo poo over the last five years has been loving hysterical. Yeah, I'd say Rogue One, is alright, and TFA isn't great, but just pretend the rest doesn't exist.
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# ? May 6, 2020 14:37 |
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PriorMarcus posted:Does Anakin even know he was immaculately conceived? This has been bugging me this whole thread. The Immaculate Conception refers to the Virgin Mary who was conceived without Original Sin. Her conception was the regular physical kind, her parents had sex and she was conceived, but through God's intervention she was free from the sin of Adam which taints all of humanity. This made her a pure, sinless vessel for bearing the Son of God. The Virgin Birth refers to Jesus' birth, as Mary conceived with the Holy Spirit and became pregnant without sexual intercourse. There was no physical, human father, rather, she was impregnated through the will of God. When talking about Annakin's conception and birth via the Force, it's more appropriate to use the term "Virgin Birth" as Schmi did not have sex with a man, she was made pregnant by the Force, possibly under the control of Darth Plagueis.
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# ? May 6, 2020 14:49 |
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NB: The idea that the Immaculate Conception is the conception of Christ is actually more of a mis-conception. It's actually the conception of Mary, the only human born without original sin. Edit: Spent too long working on that pun.
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# ? May 6, 2020 14:50 |
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Pope Corky the IX posted:So I haven't seen a Star Wars film since Attack of the Clones when it was in theaters and reading through all this poo poo over the last five years has been loving hysterical. But I would watch Rogue One if for no other reason than it is a one-off story and that makes it better than the final prequel and the three films in the new trilogy
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# ? May 6, 2020 14:55 |
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Hahaha, wait, what? Anakin didn't actually have sex with Padme? She got pregnant through the Force? Are you loving kidding me?
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# ? May 6, 2020 15:01 |
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Counterpoint: Rogue One is very boring because the writing (especially for the character) is extremely bland, but futhermore it's ridiculous to call it a one-off story when every part of it is designed to tie into existing Star Wars movies. The whole thing is based off a couple throwaway lines from A New Hope! They reanimated Peter Cushing so Grand Moff Tarkin could be all over the movie! It ends literally right where A New Hope begins!
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# ? May 6, 2020 15:02 |
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Hahaha, wait, what? Anakin didn't actually have sex with Padme? She got pregnant through the Force? Are you loving kidding me? No, Anakin's mom did. Anakin and Padme hosed, which is why the Jedi doesn't like him. Edit: Kanan in Rebels also hosed and instead of becoming a Sith he heroically sacrificed himself. So we are probably right to blame the Jedi Order for the whole Anakin situation. That said, Anakin also sacrificed himself. The MSJ fucked around with this message at 15:07 on May 6, 2020 |
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Counterpoint: Rogue One is very boring because the writing (especially for the character) is extremely bland, but futhermore it's ridiculous to call it a one-off story when every part of it is designed to tie into existing Star Wars movies. The whole thing is based off a couple throwaway lines from A New Hope! They reanimated Peter Cushing so Grand Moff Tarkin could be all over the movie! It ends literally right where A New Hope begins! A New Hope: Well, we think we found a weakness. It's a long shot. One in a million. We're gonna give it our best shot. It's the only one we have. Rogue One: I intentionally put a weakness in the Death Star so it could in fact be destroyed with this one neat trick. Rogue One is so loving bad. BUT IT"S GOT DARTH VADER DOING SOMETHING COOL AT THE END.
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# ? May 6, 2020 15:09 |
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The MSJ posted:No, Anakin's mom did. Anakin and Padme hosed, which is why the Jedi doesn't like him. I can't tell if that's better or worse.
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# ? May 6, 2020 15:16 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I still like the idea that creating and preserving life is specifically a Dark Side power, while becoming a ghost is a Light Side one. The Sith try to stave off death desperately while the Jedi transcend it. This is a great idea/theme that is also of course undermined by the sequel trilogy, where it is now a light side power to drain lifeforce from some people and give it to others.
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# ? May 6, 2020 16:54 |
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Jose Oquendo posted:A New Hope: Well, we think we found a weakness. It's a long shot. One in a million. We're gonna give it our best shot. It's the only one we have. Vader's dad jokes were the best part And the criminally underused forrest whitaker
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# ? May 6, 2020 19:06 |
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Jose Oquendo posted:A New Hope: Well, we think we found a weakness. It's a long shot. One in a million. We're gonna give it our best shot. It's the only one we have. Yea the whole idea that the Death Star has a design flaw that just wasn't recognized because of how massive a project it was and how many people were involved always rang very true to me. Changing it into a secret rebel plot from the beginning is just another way that the Disney Star Wars films really made the whole universe feel so much smaller than it did before.
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# ? May 6, 2020 19:10 |
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Love the idea of applying the intentional flaw of the Death Star to other things. Like man, a tank is a bad design because what if an enemy parachutes in from above and curves a tiny boomerang made of C4 through the air and straight down the barrel of the cannon?
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# ? May 6, 2020 19:23 |
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There was the chance for a bit of fun by making the design flaw something else than what the rebels end up exploiting. Like, if an astronaut with a pickax lands in *that* exact spot he will be able to work his way straight down to the core without enemy forces able to get to him... it'll just take a while.
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# ? May 6, 2020 19:28 |
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Grendels Dad posted:There was the chance for a bit of fun by making the design flaw something else than what the rebels end up exploiting. Like, if an astronaut with a pickax lands in *that* exact spot he will be able to work his way straight down to the core without enemy forces able to get to him... it'll just take a while. I've designed the Death Star such that it will be extra susceptible if the Rebels realize they can sacrifice a capital ship and light-speed it through the centre.
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# ? May 6, 2020 19:35 |
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I mean it’s the size of a moon. How are you not going to have a vent? Stormtroopers need A/C
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# ? May 6, 2020 20:01 |
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Palp being Anakin's father thing was confirmed in a comic or something. No idea how "canonical" this is/was but...
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# ? May 6, 2020 20:03 |
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Basebf555 posted:Yea the whole idea that the Death Star has a design flaw that just wasn't recognized because of how massive a project it was and how many people were involved always rang very true to me. Changing it into a secret rebel plot from the beginning is just another way that the Disney Star Wars films really made the whole universe feel so much smaller than it did before. It also feels weirdly mild to take the "many Bothan spies died for this" line and turn it into a whole planet getting Death Star'd. The one-liner presents so much more intrigue than the blockbuster film generates.
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# ? May 6, 2020 20:28 |
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X-Ray Pecs posted:It also feels weirdly mild to take the "many Bothan spies died for this" line and turn it into a whole planet getting Death Star'd. The one-liner presents so much more intrigue than the blockbuster film generates. If there is one thing I have learned over the years it is that nerds will endlessly obsess over the most inane details and random minutiae unless it is shown, explained and catalogued in excruciating detail. And the studios are more than happy to feed into that obsession if it means they get to milk an existing franchise for a little bit longer.
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# ? May 6, 2020 20:55 |
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X-Ray Pecs posted:It also feels weirdly mild to take the "many Bothan spies died for this" line and turn it into a whole planet getting Death Star'd. The one-liner presents so much more intrigue than the blockbuster film generates. That was for the second Death Star - in the Disney canon they've yet to answer exactly who or what a Bothan is, or what happened to them (presumably so they can save it for some hypothetical Rogue Two).
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# ? May 6, 2020 21:01 |
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Avalerion posted:Palp being Anakin's father thing was confirmed in a comic or something. No idea how "canonical" this is/was but... That wasn't a sequence of what actually happened, but I believe it was Anakin thinking how it might have happened.
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# ? May 6, 2020 21:23 |
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No, you misheard, it was Manny Bothans who died. Just one guy. Super cool, had a jet car and a pool table. So I just googled, cause I'm pretty sure I stole that joke, and apparently there was a semi-non-canon comic where there was a Manny Bothans. Joke comic, but still, Jesus Christ Star Wars.
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# ? May 6, 2020 21:24 |
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That comic was a Star Wars version of Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead and was firmly tongue in cheek.
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# ? May 6, 2020 21:27 |
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The characters from that comic were in a deleted scene in Solo (and mentioned by name in the novelization) , so they're arguably more canon than they used to be.
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# ? May 6, 2020 21:32 |
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Robot Style posted:The characters from that comic were in a deleted scene in Solo (and mentioned by name in the novelization) , so they're arguably more canon than they used to be. There's also two characters in Mandalorian who are very conspicuously not named who are probably meant to be Tag and Bink cameos. The Tag and Bink comics are loving hilarious, by the way, and given they're explicitly comedy books that go as ridiculous with it as possible, I'm not really comfortable putting stuff like Manny Bothans in the "jfc Star Wars" category.
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# ? May 6, 2020 21:52 |