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I hope pirate is just setting up the king of destruction as an evil rear end in a top hat that can’t help conquering and subjugating and owning everything and then have him loving die.
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The most recent war the King of Destruction is involved in shows the flaw in his thinking. He started this war for a very good reason, to avenge his people that were slaughtered while no one helped them. But then he went way too far and wanted to murder the entire upper eschalon of that country, which was way too far. Troy sees this, and I think Teres is starting to understand.
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Peachfart posted:The most recent war the King of Destruction is involved in shows the flaw in his thinking. He started this war for a very good reason, to avenge his people that were slaughtered while no one helped them. But then he went way too far and wanted to murder the entire upper eschalon of that country, which was way too far. Troy sees this, and I think Teres is starting to understand. what's the percentage of dead people that's reasonable here
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May 6, 2020 14:19
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The people who were responsible, either in the sense of being directly involved, or being in authority over others while deliberately turning a blind eye.
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May 6, 2020 14:28
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Cicero posted:The people who were responsible, either in the sense of being directly involved, or being in authority over others while deliberately turning a blind eye. how do you imagine that you could ever possibly figure these things out beforehand and not end up killing people not involved revenge is actually not a just cause for war go look at the real world if you want to see why
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May 6, 2020 14:32
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Sampatrick posted:how do you imagine that you could ever possibly figure these things out beforehand and not end up killing people not involved quote:revenge is actually not a just cause for war go look at the real world if you want to see why
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May 6, 2020 14:37
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Cicero posted:By investigating, the same as any crime? They even have truth spells in the InnVerse. so you're proposing that an army should investigate exactly who was responsible for a massacre and then invade and try to kill exclusively the people responsible for the massacre? how exactly do you think that would work out? the people not responsible will just stand by and let themselves be invaded?
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May 6, 2020 14:43
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Sampatrick posted:what's the percentage of dead people that's reasonable here Obviously, the percentage of dead people who were reasonable was 0 :diogenes:
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May 6, 2020 15:21
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Cicero posted:
I couldn't get into Ward at all after loving Worm. I'm excited for the new project and have been waiting for Ward to wrap up for awhile...years? ... now
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May 6, 2020 15:57
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Sampatrick posted:so you're proposing that an army should investigate exactly who was responsible for a massacre and then invade and try to kill exclusively the people responsible for the massacre? how exactly do you think that would work out? the people not responsible will just stand by and let themselves be invaded? Maybe a [King] could do it with, I dunno,
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May 6, 2020 16:04
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Virigoth posted:I couldn't get into Ward at all after loving Worm. I'm excited for the new project and have been waiting for Ward to wrap up for awhile...years? ... now This is where I'm at. I've read and enjoyed all of Wildbow's stories, and Worm I've read probably 2 or 3 times, as well as several stories based on it. But for some reason, Ward didn't pull me at all. I'm glad we're getting a Pact sequel, and it's for the best that it doesn't involve the characters from the previous story. I'm still curious about that one story that he was planning, back when he was deciding between three stories after Worm and posting previews of them (two of which ended up being Pact and Twig). There was a third one that didn't interest me at all back then, but now I'm a lot more interested in it. I wonder if he'll ever come back to it, or if it just wasn't popular enough.
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May 6, 2020 16:25
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Sailor Dave posted:This is where I'm at. I've read and enjoyed all of Wildbow's stories, and Worm I've read probably 2 or 3 times, as well as several stories based on it. But for some reason, Ward didn't pull me at all. I'm glad we're getting a Pact sequel, and it's for the best that it doesn't involve the characters from the previous story. Yeah, I've re-read Worm 3 times myself. It was better the 2nd time around, since you go into it understanding Taylor's personality and flaws. Pact I liked almost as much as Worm, and I'm thrilled for a sequel. All three of those teaser stories he posted were good. I bounced off Twig after a few arcs but Pact kept me hooked. I never got emotionally connected with many of the characters (a certain bird was awesome in every way though) but it was one of those morbid train-wreck-in-slow-motion stories that was entertaining to watch unfold.
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I can't imagine what story is left to be told in Pact-verse. Wildbow already explored most of the interesting stories and consequences of both Karma and Demonology. You could introduce new types of magic easily, but if you don't include any of the old ones, you might as well just set it in a new world.
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May 6, 2020 18:13
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Peachfart posted:The most recent war the King of Destruction is involved in shows the flaw in his thinking. He started this war for a very good reason, to avenge his people that were slaughtered while no one helped them. But then he went way too far and wanted to murder the entire upper eschalon of that country, which was way too far. Troy sees this, and I think Teres is starting to understand. KQ Troy appears to have completely swung in the opposite direction which may be interesting if it corresponds to a change in Teresa views.
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May 6, 2020 20:49
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asur posted:KQ Troy is going through major grief and PTSD issues over crazy Chuthllu land, he will do whatever Flos wants if Flos will take revenge.
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May 6, 2020 22:07
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Poof seems to have...gone poof? https://poofserial.wordpress.com/
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Hawkperson posted:Poof seems to have...gone poof? https://poofserial.wordpress.com/ Rekt. I’ve still got it loaded on my browser I think
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May 6, 2020 22:43
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But Wildbow said he checked with LGBT people and he said they said using the word was fine?
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May 6, 2020 23:37
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"No you don't understand, back in the 80s I got a lifetime n-word pass"
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Is 'poof' that well known of a slur? I'd never heard of it before. edit: oh is it more common in the UK or something?
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I'll admit that it didn't occur to me since it's not something I've heard in a long time, living in the US. I just thought of "poof" in a magical sense. Doesn't hurt to change the name though, it doesn't make much of a difference except for putting the inevitable title drop somewhere else.
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That seems like an absurd word to complain about but 
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Peachfart posted:That seems like an absurd word to complain about but Pray tell, what other slurs do you find 'absurd to complain about'?
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I'm not here to judge which words are and are not slurs. But it is just a bit of an overreaction imo. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Peachfart posted:I'm not here to judge which words are and are not slurs. But it is just a bit of an overreaction imo. Or when someone finds they accidentally named their story after a slur they could change it, that works too.
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Piell posted:Or when someone finds they accidentally named their story after a slur they could change it, that works too. Did he name the story after a slur, or a phrase that could be used when talking about magic which also happens to be a slur that was used 40 years ago? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Kalas posted:Did he name the story after a slur, or a phrase that could be used when talking about magic which also happens to be a slur that was used 40 years ago? ah yes, the "i was talking about a
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Lone Goat posted:ah yes, the "i was talking about a its a pretty uncommon slur outside of the uk. i literally did not know it even was a slur until today.
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May 7, 2020 03:26
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Piell posted:Or when someone finds they accidentally named their story after a slur they could change it, that works too. He chose the title despite knowing it was a slur. It wasn't an accident. He was aware of it going in.
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Lone Goat posted:ah yes, the "i was talking about a This is the exact opposite of that, though. Most people living outside of the UK and the few other places where that's a thing don't know that poof is used as a pejorative. WB is canadian and, as has been discussed in here before, a bit sheltered in some ways. What I've gathered is that he originally named it poof for reasons which he says will make perfect sense much later into the story, and when he was informed it might be something that's taken the wrong way by some people he reached out to several gay folks that he trusts and was told by them that it wouldn't be an issue. When he launched it publicly, other people spoke up about it, and he decided it wasn't worth using that name if it would be a problem for some readers. He handled the whole thing really well imho.
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It's a pretty common slur in both the UK and Australia. The other thing that's so bizarre about it is Wildbow wasn't ignorant - as people have pointed out, he says he asked people and decided using it was okay. Don't tie yourselves into knots defending it because only US slurs are actually offensive or whatever you're all trying to imply.
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The Shortest Path posted:and when he was informed it might be something that's taken the wrong way by some people Milkfred E. Moore posted:It's a pretty common slur in both the UK and Australia. The other thing that's so bizarre about it is Wildbow wasn't ignorant - as people have pointed out, he says he asked people and decided using it was okay. It's not a stretch to think he named it without knowing until someone told him about it. As people have mentioned, there's a number of people here that didn't understand the reference. (And btw, the version I heard when I was a kid was 'poofta' which is significantly different, but I understand the shorter version was used as well) Without having any investment in this either way, I think this is more of a case that some people want to be offended so they have an excuse to whine about something.
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Kalas posted:It's not a stretch to think he named it without knowing until someone told him about it. As people have mentioned, there's a number of people here that didn't understand the reference. Complaining about people not liking a slur as the name for a story sounds like a case of someone wanting to be offended so they have an excuse to whine about something
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Piell posted:Complaining about people not liking a slur as the name for a story sounds like a case of someone wanting to be offended so they have an excuse to whine about something Here's the thing, there's a poo poo ton of words that are slurs to some specific country or ethnic group. Do we ban all those words? If so we'd have to change a whole lot of movie and book names to avoid using these words. Go ahead and say 'well, but this is well known'. The fact it's a UK originated slur makes it more worthy to be avoided then say from some random country in Africa or Asia? It's not hard to google for a list of slurs we'd have to start using to not offend some person somewhere. I did, and I started to laugh at the though of removing these words from use. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Stop being stupid about slurs, please. E: "Poof" as in magic and "poof" the slur are pronounced differently and wouldn't be confused in speech, which might explain why Wildbow thought it was an OK name, but it's really not. I'm the Book Barn IK. Feel free to PM me or email bookbarnsecretsanta@gmail.com if I can help you with anything. Safety Biscuits fucked around with this message at 04:32 on May 7, 2020 |
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Piell posted:Complaining about people not liking a slur as the name for a story sounds like a case of someone wanting to be offended so they have an excuse to whine about something he changed the name
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Kalas posted:Here's the thing, there's a poo poo ton of words that are slurs to some specific country or ethnic group. Do we ban all those words? What is the bad consequence I'm supposed to see for "generally, it's a bad idea to use slurs as the title for your fiction you're about to write". (Also nobody is "banning" them) Edit: words that are a slur in a different language aren't as bad but should still probably be avoided, but that isn't the case here Piell fucked around with this message at 04:34 on May 7, 2020 |
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:It's a pretty common slur in both the UK and Australia. The other thing that's so bizarre about it is Wildbow wasn't ignorant - as people have pointed out, he says he asked people and decided using it was okay. What is bizarre about concluding that a word is fine after asking people who you thought would be good judges on that matter? He clearly made a mistake in only asking americans and/or canadians, but it would be weird to ask the affected group and then go "no actually I know better than you". (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I adore how big brained this thread gets, but I'm especially loving the dissonance between 'the only slurs that matter are the ones I hear personally' and 'the people who heard that slur personally are whiners.' Just incredible. Edit: To the above, I meant to imply he never actually asked due to the whole 'Well, my black friend said it's okay' energy of it all. Same way I don't buy that a deck of cards was the fault of Ward's LGBT weirdness. The big Bow has a pattern that when someone like this happens he claims it's because of cards or dice or people he asked and advised him wrong. It's kinda absurd. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 04:56 on May 7, 2020 |
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