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silence_kit posted:Yeah, it’s too bad. I don’t really think that small phones are as wildly unpopular as posters in this thread claim. The old iPhone SE sold pretty well I thought. They aren’t the most popular, but I thought they had a niche.
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Charles posted:Is there a way to make the iPhone just silence calls on do not disturb instead of ignoring them? There’s a little switch on the side of the phone for that.
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May 8, 2020 16:53
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I think the dumbest thing about big iphones is that icons on the home screen still must tile from the top left like in iOS 1.0 when most people in most cases will be reaching from the bottom right
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May 8, 2020 16:56
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Sounds like iOS14 might be including springboard widgets, maybe that will open up some flexibility. However the same sources have said that the widgets may not be ready for 14's launch. Also re: jobs and popsockets: 
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May 8, 2020 17:04
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Don’t the big phones (e.g. 11 Pro Max) generally outsell the mid-size?
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May 8, 2020 18:10
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fourwood posted:Don’t the big phones (e.g. 11 Pro Max) generally outsell the mid-size? Apple says the iPhone 6/7/8/SE2020 is their most popular size ever.
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May 8, 2020 19:32
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SeANMcBAY posted:Apple says the iPhone 6/7/8/SE2020 is their most popular size ever. well yeah they’ve been selling it for like six years
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May 8, 2020 19:41
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When the options are between "large" and "larger", people choosing "large" doesn't actually support the argument nobody would buy "small".
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May 8, 2020 20:02
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I just think it's funny when people come in all strong with HARD TRUTHS and I GOT NEWS FOR YOU BUDDY when people wish for smaller phones
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May 8, 2020 20:15
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Without being snarky, maybe you should buy an Android. If you hate every design decision and have decided they're objectively bad and they make nothing that you want to buy, then maybe it's just time to move on? I'm sure there's some small Androids out there, since there's an Android phone to fill every conceivable niche.
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May 8, 2020 20:23
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fourwood posted:Don’t the big phones (e.g. 11 Pro Max) generally outsell the mid-size? The cheapest current model phone is usually the best seller. FCKGW fucked around with this message at 20:35 on May 8, 2020 |
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May 8, 2020 20:32
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endlessmonotony posted:When the options are between "large" and "larger", people choosing "large" doesn't actually support the argument nobody would buy "small". I don't think anyone is denying that. Apple just isn't investing the time and resources into making the "small" phones anymore, and it looks like that's not really changing with the iPhone 12 rumors. Whether or not the demand for a "small" phone exists, it's not on Apple's radar. So your options are, I guess, to bitch about Apple, or like Endless Mike said, just buy something else. 
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May 8, 2020 20:33
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Fallom posted:I just think it's funny when people come in all strong with HARD TRUTHS and I GOT NEWS FOR YOU BUDDY when people wish for smaller phones Yeah, it is pretty amusing. THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!
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May 8, 2020 20:34
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silence_kit posted:Yeah, it’s too bad. I don’t really think that small phones are as wildly unpopular as posters in this thread claim. The old iPhone SE sold pretty well I thought. They aren’t the most popular, but I thought they had a niche. I would argue that Apple loves dongles and accessories and stebe (pbuh) would only have been mad that Apple wasn't making any of that pop socket money. There have been several instances where well liked features were removed and dongles sold to re-add it. Headphone jack being a major example. Having adaptors and dongles so that you can listen and charge simultaneously is ugly as gently caress but when you can charge $15 for it 🤷♂️
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May 8, 2020 21:04
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Endless Mike posted:Without being snarky, maybe you should buy an Android. If you hate every design decision and have decided they're objectively bad and they make nothing that you want to buy, then maybe it's just time to move on? I'm sure there's some small Androids out there, since there's an Android phone to fill every conceivable niche. https://palm.com/pages/product
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Magic Underwear posted:I would argue that Apple loves dongles and accessories and stebe (pbuh) would only have been mad that Apple wasn't making any of that pop socket money. There have been several instances where well liked features were removed and dongles sold to re-add it. Headphone jack being a major example. Having adaptors and dongles so that you can listen and charge simultaneously is ugly as gently caress but when you can charge $15 for it 🤷♂️ You have a point. Like the Pop Sockets, the Dongles are ugly. You have found a paradox in the Teachings of Steve. But it could be argued that Steve's main idea behind the Dongles was to punish users for not using their Apple Products in the right way with the right accessories and to push them towards buying the newer products and accessories. You aren't supposed to buy the Dongle. I don't see how the Pop Sockets work for the Apple Product Ecosystem in that way. silence_kit fucked around with this message at 21:49 on May 8, 2020 |
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May 8, 2020 21:28
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Cool. Is it designed to hoover up my personal information y/n?
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May 8, 2020 21:35
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:Cool. Is it designed to hoover up my personal information y/n? no more so than the typical android phone but you should not actually consider buying one, it's so small that the interface is barely usable and the battery life is beyond abysmal
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May 8, 2020 21:36
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Endless Mike posted:Without being snarky, maybe you should buy an Android. If you hate every design decision and have decided they're objectively bad and they make nothing that you want to buy, then maybe it's just time to move on? I'm sure there's some small Androids out there, since there's an Android phone to fill every conceivable niche. They don't exist outside of that stupidly overpriced $300 Palm phone for a barely usable gimmick with a smaller than iPhone 4 display (3.3" lol), terrible battery life, and a 4 year old Snapdragon 435. There's no other small Android phones (smaller than 5" screen) with even semi-recent hardware sold in the US at this point. Nearly every budget phone with laughably slow hardware and next to no storage has a 5" or larger display too. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 21:42 on May 8, 2020 |
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May 8, 2020 21:38
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Endless Mike posted:Without being snarky, Buddy, Also is there any argument here other than "all available options suck for you but you better learn to like one of them because reasons"?
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May 8, 2020 21:41
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endlessmonotony posted:Buddy, no. also the reason is "no one makes phones smaller than the se anymore"
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May 8, 2020 21:44
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Apple's main shtick always was creating and leading the demand, not adapting to it. "Small phones, audio jacks, buttons? Pfft."
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May 8, 2020 21:53
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Apple's main shtick always was creating and leading the demand, not adapting to it. what? they were one of the last small phone holdouts. the major android oems had been making 5"+ phones for years by the time the iphone 6 came out
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May 8, 2020 21:58
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Weedle posted:what? they were one of the last small phone holdouts. the major android oems had been making 5"+ phones for years by the time the iphone 6 came out Yeah, Apple clearly copied off of Android there.
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May 8, 2020 22:00
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Weedle posted:no. also the reason is "no one makes phones smaller than the se anymore" I'll just buy the one that sucks the least and then continue not liking the design aspects that make using it difficult. Why would I try to convince myself the lovely bits are good? For the good of the brand? Because I have to pick a side? Help me out here, what's my motive? SE 2020 getting rid of the notch and bringing back TouchID are a good start though. Now if they could only shrink the screen a little and give it a lightly textured aluminum back.
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Weedle posted:what? they were one of the last small phone holdouts. the major android oems had been making 5"+ phones for years by the time the iphone 6 came out That was the formfactor and it was (supposedly) backed up by usage statistics. When those started to decline they released a bigger phone. Not gonna lie, I'd use a 5s sized phone as a daily caller even now and personally still think that 4.7/5.5 sizes exist only because there was no Jobs around. The balance of 'apple implemented and android followed' vs 'viceversa' is still on the apple side, generally speaking. There is also a question - do you buy a phone because it has 'a feature' or because it has 'a sum of features'?
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endlessmonotony posted:I'll just buy the one that sucks the least and then continue not liking the design aspects that make using it difficult. Why would I try to convince myself the lovely bits are good? For the good of the brand? Because I have to pick a side? Help me out here, what's my motive? I got a Spigen TPU case (pretty cheap) for my 11 pro which made it a lot less slippery. That does also have the effect of making it slightly larger, though. Not sure if that would help you or not.
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Charles posted:I got a Spigen TPU case (pretty cheap) for my 11 pro which made it a lot less slippery. That does also have the effect of making it slightly larger, though. Not sure if that would help you or not. Put it in a case, add hockey tape and a wrist strap to the case. Completely obscures the design of the phone but hey I can use it for more than two weeks.
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May 8, 2020 22:57
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silence_kit posted:Yeah, it’s too bad. I don’t really think that small phones are as wildly unpopular as posters in this thread claim. The old iPhone SE sold pretty well I thought. They aren’t the most popular, but I thought they had a niche. The original SE was the small iPhone but it was also the cheap one. I think price had a much, much greater impact on sales than size (indeed everyone with an SE that I know bought it despite the small size not because of it) silence_kit posted:It is traditionally Very Apple to insist that there is only one Right Design and it is the Apple Design, but in this case this kind of Apple-y reasoning is being applied to a product design which has annoying drawbacks, IMO. There have always been significant downsides to the Apple way of doing things but overall its proved fine for most people. This is no different.
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endlessmonotony posted:Buddy,
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silence_kit posted:Yeah, it’s too bad. I don’t really think that small phones are as wildly unpopular as posters in this thread claim. The old iPhone SE sold pretty well I thought. They aren’t the most popular, but I thought they had a niche. I’ve worked in cell phones over 10 years. I’m not saying no one wants small phones. But I can’t emphasize enough: end of the day, what sells is what they’ll put out. A 4” screen phone doesn’t sell. It hasn’t sold well in years either. People look at phones, and they go “bigger screen, easier to see, in price range, cool.” There is a limit. But Apple (and Samsung) has it pretty well down, people are very happy with phones the size of the iPhone 8 (and the 11 Pro, which size wise is essentially an edge to edge screen), to the iPhone 11 and 11 Pro Max. Basically, do you want small, medium or large ? Rip baby phones, but sorry, they only sold because the SE was cheap, and the majority of people spoke with their wallets, bought bigger screens, and surprise surprise, Apple switched to selling phones in sizes people will buy. endlessmonotony posted:Put it in a case, add hockey tape and a wrist strap to the case. 
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May 9, 2020 00:20
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Endless Mike posted:I don't know what to tell you. Apple is not going to cater to every possible niche. They never have. If you insist that "using Android" is somehow worse than "I can't actually use it because I only have one hand" I guess that's your decision, but it seems like an odd one to me. ... the gently caress? You're making a fuckload of assumptions here, ones you really loving shouldn't. I know Apple won't cater to every niche; that doesn't mean I have to like the design that makes it difficult to use for me and billions of other people at times, because having two clean, available hands isn't exactly a guarantee. And a phone you can't grip well is an accessibility issue, and those loving slippery glass designs are such well-trodden design ground you can't even make the argument you're telling people with reduced mobility to go gently caress themselves in the name of aesthetics, because smooth glass backs are just boring as poo poo now. And I don't know what the gently caress you think Android phones are like these days but here's a hint: They're relentlessly copying designs from Apple, because it turns out there's, uh, two companies with enough market share to make a meaningful dent. Half a dozen, if you're being generous. They're not better. I can in fact use the new SE, it's just annoying since I have to mod the case so I won't drop it since I can't grip it in any meaningful way as is. That's also why I like margins, because I have a real problem with touchscreens registering touch at the edges and a good margin helps with that problem. I can't use the Plus, and I'd much rather keep using the old SE or something of its size, but trying to get that and not-garbage OS support is just not happening in this market. Market analysis and hard facts by "some dude who worked retail" aside, is it somehow funny that I'm disabled and have to mod the case so I don't drop the phone?
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I really liked the 5/5S form factor and kept mine for longer than usual before upgrading to an 8 then an 11, but recently I had to use my dad’s 5S* and holy shitballs is it miserable to use now. Either UI’s have changed or I just got used to a larger screen, but I can’t imagine using that small of a screen for anything but the most basic of phone functions. I just can’t see very many people going back to a smaller phone after having more screen real estate, and yes, I understand the small hands/pockets, etc. issue. *I was setting up a 6S for the old guy - after insisting his old phone was ‘fine’, he now prefers the 6S’s size.
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JnnyThndrs posted:Either UI’s have changed or I just got used to a larger screen, but I can’t imagine using that small of a screen for anything but the most basic of phone functions. It's both of these things. For me the major usability issue is screen width - wider is easier to type on. You can (at least some degree) work around larger screen issues with reachability gestures and smart UI design but you can't do anything to fit a decent keyboard onto a tiny phone.
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endlessmonotony posted:... the gently caress? As for Androids, maybe do copy Apple, you're right. But many don't. Right now you can buy a Google Pixel 3a, a mid-range phone that is more than adequate for most people (because smartphones hit "adequate" years ago) that will get several years of updates, that really looks nothing like any current iPhone (I guess you could claim they're copying the iPhone 5C). Like, again, I am legitimately sorry that Apple doesn't make a device that suits your needs, which is why I'm suggesting you look elsewhere.
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Endless Mike posted:Again, you seem very angry because Apple doesn't cater to you, personally, and are making a huge assumption that "must perfectly suit everyones needs without a case." People have been putting their phones in cases since iPhones have had 3.5" screens, with 79% doing so as of 2017, which suggests no one particularly cares if the back is slippery since they're chucking it in something that's not. I already know your retort here is "they put it in that *because* the back is slippery" except that 87% of iPhone users had been back in 2013. So maybe the perfect iPhone design wasn't so perfect? I dunno. ... are you flat out trolling or just... saying those things earnestly? I'm not angry because Apple doesn't cater to me, I'm angry because you're acting like a dipshit by trying to guess what my capabilities are or aren't. (Okay I'm a little angry Apple doesn't cater to me but they won't fix that until they get hit with a phone equivalent of the ADA. I'm also a little angry people think my objections are just meaningless noise and that I should just be a-ok with design that... really serves nobody but decidedly harms people like me.) And no, you guessed wrong on the retort too - people put their phones in cases to protect them from drops and sometimes scratches. Duh. Or in my case, to get a grip. Thing is, I do find myself using the original SE without a case quite a lot. Going to be a lot trickier with the SE 2020. And I'm glad I can buy the Pixel 3a, a phone that is... bigger... than the SE 2020. Thanks!
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endlessmonotony posted:... are you flat out trolling or just... saying those things earnestly? Just use an Apple Watch with cellular if you only have one hand. -Steve
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endlessmonotony posted:I'm not angry because Apple doesn't cater to me, I'm angry because you're acting like a dipshit by trying to guess what my capabilities are or aren't. seems reasonable to infer from this post that you have one usable hand endlessmonotony posted:Of course, my constant yelling about accessibility, grip, one-handed use and so on and so forth probably reveal the big reason I have for loathing Apple's genuinely lovely design - I do not have two hands (not one I can use a phone with anyway).
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Gay Retard posted:Just use an Apple Watch with cellular if you only have one hand. But without a hand, won't the watch just slide off his arm?
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endlessmonotony posted:I'm also a little angry people think my objections are just meaningless noise and that I should just be a-ok with design that... really serves nobody but decidedly harms people like me. A reasonable size screen serves almost everybody though
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