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mcmagic posted:If not for eating a ban for the typical stupid poo poo I get banned constantly for, I would've probably ate one for the Jets signing a 98 year old running back. *checks rap sheet* 
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:I wouldn't put too much stock in what the Dolphins front office thinks. After all, they're front office for the Dolphins. This assumes that Van Noy is not an upgrade, that our draft did nothing at safety. I think the d will go to above league average if the QB rush just gets to average or slightly below. The O is better. O line youth and talent got better, improved at RB, and assuming health, our WR corps is sneaky good.
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May 15, 2020 17:54
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Declan MacManus posted:4-12 with improvement on both lines would sit fine with me I'm not a fan and I also don't have a good handle on the Dolphins' fan base outside this forum, so I could be completely wrong, BUT… This is a lot easier to say now than it would be when you are actually living through it. The team absolutely loaded up with talent on defensive talent in the offseason and added three first-round draft picks. Obviously the Dolphins' schedule is harder this year, but you'd still be watching three losses for every one victory they have. 4-12 is generally the record of a team that can absolutely not compete with good teams, is generally embarrassed by mediocre ones, and looks silly going blow-for-blow with bad ones. You're either talking a six or seven-game losing streak or no consecutive victories. Compounding all that, national stories will be all about how disappointing the Dolphins have been, being unable to improve despite all the money they spent and all the draft capital they appear to have squandered. Players will start griping and we'll all begin discussing how poisonous the Belichick coaching tree is, how premature we were to crown Flores because Fitzpatrick Fitz'd his ways into improbably victories once again.
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May 15, 2020 18:00
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fsif posted:I'm not a fan and I also don't have a good handle on the Dolphins' fan base outside this forum, so I could be completely wrong, BUT… Yeah, 4-12 could be explained, and fine. If we lose every close game with good/playoff bound teams, but are in the game until the 4th, and we win against the truly bad teams, I could talk myself into being ok with 4-12. But....realistically, it would be tough to lose twice to the Jets, and to any team with a losing record and no real chance at the playoffs. Then again, I look at the disciplined play in our win against New England, and if we don't see that, even in loses, it doesn't matter what the record is. We need to be better not just win/loss, but move up in the stats on the places we were terrible.
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May 15, 2020 18:37
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fsif posted:I'm not a fan and I also don't have a good handle on the Dolphins' fan base outside this forum, so I could be completely wrong, BUT… if flores delivers less than 6 wins (which i don’t suspect will happen), he’ll be under the gun in year three; at that point anything less than 8 wins would probably get him canned
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May 15, 2020 19:52
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Declan MacManus posted:if flores delivers less than 6 wins (which i don’t suspect will happen), he’ll be under the gun in year three; at that point anything less than 8 wins would probably get him canned Not at all. As drat near zero. There’d have to be a zero win season and a mutiny in the locker room for Flores to lose the shine he’s got going with our current ownership.
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May 15, 2020 20:01
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Miami will have new starters at most positions and a bunch of new coaches on the staff. If we have football then it will be after a weird offseason with limited on field work. It's not hard for me to imagine a 5-11 or worse season. But I don't think it'll put Flores on the hot seat after a season like that. He'll be on the hot seat if we get to 2021 and it's another 5-11 season and Tua isn't working out.
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May 15, 2020 20:33
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The Dolphins look like a 7-win team to me anyway so I doubt we'll really have to even ever delve into this hypothetical.
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May 15, 2020 20:43
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Ehud posted:
Yeah this is generally where we are, based on all the news coming outta the front office. Their draft picks / approach really backs that up
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May 15, 2020 20:47
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Yeah, I guess if Fitz turns back into pumpkin no one's going to judge Flores that harshly.
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May 15, 2020 21:25
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Fitz will probably play 3-5 games, be mediocre because it's a hard schedule and Tua takes over and unless he plays horribly which he probably won't, it's a mulligan season for everyone involved.
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May 15, 2020 21:52
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Tua won’t play this year unless the OL gels
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May 15, 2020 22:05
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6 wins is about what I would expect. 5 would be acceptable. 4 would make me very worried.
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May 16, 2020 00:42
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Amy Pole Her posted:Tua won’t play this year unless the OL gels He will 100% play unless he's hurt. And he should.
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May 16, 2020 01:46
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mcmagic posted:He will 100% play unless he's hurt. And he should. I guess we’ll see! Everyone seems to be saying the same :-)
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Jets are going to get a sweet draft pick from the Bieniemy rule next year.
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May 16, 2020 15:51
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I also think Tua will play if healthy. The age of bringing QBs along slowly is over for better or worse because of teams wanting to get the most out of the QB before their rookie deals go out.
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May 16, 2020 20:47
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I don't think this is all that analogous to the Tua discussion, but man the "bring Josh Allen along slowly" initiative was a complete disaster. Allen was actually really raw and had a much more legitimate need to have a remedial year, so the Bills spent the entire offseason his rookie year giving him third-team snaps behind Peterman and McCarron. Allen ended up becoming the permanent starter halfway through Week One.
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May 16, 2020 21:03
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Well, sure. But that idea failed when their starting options were Peterman and McCarron. If you want your rookie QB to sit awhile you have to have something above a practice squad level QB for him to sit behind.
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May 16, 2020 21:05
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We’re not talking about sitting Tua for development purposes. We’re not putting him behind that line and letting him take those lumps. It’s Fitz and Rosen’s job
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May 16, 2020 21:15
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Amy Pole Her posted:We’re not talking about sitting Tua for development purposes. We’re not putting him behind that line and letting him take those lumps. It’s Fitz and Rosen’s job This line of thinking is completely non existent inside NFL teams. It's not something any team ever does.
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May 16, 2020 21:53
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Thanks Adam Schefter
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May 16, 2020 22:06
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mcmagic posted:This line of thinking is completely non existent inside NFL teams. It's not something any team ever does. Lol you really have zero basis for this opinion
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May 16, 2020 22:12
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Amy Pole Her posted:Lol you really have zero basis for this opinion Other than the situation you're describing literally never happening.... Team's don't try to protect players like that.
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May 16, 2020 22:17
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The fins explicitly told Fitzmagic that he would be starting this season. He came back because he wants to play, he's not interested in being a backup mentor. The plan seems to have been let Tua spin up on the playbook, let the rookies gel in front of him, then ease him in. At least, those were the rumors surrounding Fitz coming back this season.
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May 16, 2020 22:26
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mcmagic posted:Other than the situation you're describing literally never happening.... Team's don't try to protect players like that. Okay so yeah literally zero information.
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May 16, 2020 22:39
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torgeaux posted:The fins explicitly told Fitzmagic that he would be starting this season. He came back because he wants to play, he's not interested in being a backup mentor. The plan seems to have been let Tua spin up on the playbook, let the rookies gel in front of him, then ease him in. Yes. And it’s been really heavily emphasized that this is a three year process. We’re in year 2. Flores and Grier both have referenced Tuas rookie year as a medical redshirt. If he goes in, Miamis o line has improved to a level the coaches trust. It’s really that simple.
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May 16, 2020 22:41
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Amy Pole Her posted:Yes. And it’s been really heavily emphasized that this is a three year process. We’re in year 2. Flores and Grier both have referenced Tuas rookie year as a medical redshirt. If the expectation was the fins had to have a winning season, or make the playoffs this season, things would be different. Those are the expectations for next year. As you say, a 3 year plan. The whole idea of stripping out anyone making real money, building draft picks even by trading young guys, was to say gently caress it for 19, build in 20, compete in 21.
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May 16, 2020 22:49
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When’s the last time a top 10 (or heck, any first round) qb sat all year
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May 16, 2020 22:54
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wyoak posted:When’s the last time a top 10 (or heck, any first round) qb sat all year Patrick Mahomes was the tenth pick in 2017. He sat out his rookie season until week 17 after the Chiefs had clinched their playoff spot. Ehud fucked around with this message at 22:59 on May 16, 2020 |
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May 16, 2020 22:56
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Ehud posted:Patrick Mahomes was the tenth pick in 2017. He sat out his rookie season until week 17 after the Chiefs had clinched their playoff spot. Yeah, but look how it stunted his development.
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May 16, 2020 23:30
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Ehud posted:Patrick Mahomes was the tenth pick in 2017. He sat out his rookie season until week 17 after the Chiefs had clinched their playoff spot. If Ryan Fitzpatrick reaches the postseason for the first time in his career then Tua might sit.
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TheBizzness posted:Well, sure. But that idea failed when their starting options were Peterman and McCarron. Also they flipped McCarron for a 5th somehow, compensation like that just can't be passed up. But yes, it was colossally stupid, my dumb sarcasm aside. Considering Josh Allen almost needed Tommy John surgery, it very nearly turned out even worse than it actually did!
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May 16, 2020 23:34
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Ehud posted:Patrick Mahomes was the tenth pick in 2017. He sat out his rookie season until week 17 after the Chiefs had clinched their playoff spot. Completely different situation. They had a good team and were trying to win that season (they did win 10 games and the division) and Smith was a decent starter. They weren't protecting Mahomes. The Dolphins aren't going to do that. torgeaux posted:The fins explicitly told Fitzmagic that he would be starting this season. He came back because he wants to play, he's not interested in being a backup mentor. The plan seems to have been let Tua spin up on the playbook, let the rookies gel in front of him, then ease him in. I mean it's obvious to everyone that this promise is worth pretty much nothing.
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May 16, 2020 23:36
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mcmagic posted:Completely different situation. They had a good team and were trying to win that season (they did win 10 games and the division) and Smith was a decent starter. They weren't protecting Mahomes. The Dolphins aren't going to do that. I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make or how you could know what Andy Reid’s intensions were with Mahomes. I just responded because he asked who was the last QB to sit 
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May 16, 2020 23:59
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Okay mcmagic when is Tua gonna start? What week?
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Amy Pole Her posted:Okay mcmagic when is Tua gonna start? What week? I'd take the under on week 8.
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May 17, 2020 00:04
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The curse of Fitzpatrick is that regardless of what is promised to him and even if he is told he's a permanent backup, fate aligns to make it so he ends up starting. Rather that be because of injury or the QB currently starting not being very good... As for Tua the only reason he should not start is if he is injured. It's hard to believe he needs an entire year to grasp Chan Gailey's offense.
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May 17, 2020 00:06
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Ehud posted:I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make or how you could know what Andy Reid’s intensions were with Mahomes. The point I was making was that protecting your rookie QB who can otherwise play from a bad offensive line isn't a thing.
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Who was the last QB drafted in the top 5 that wasn’t his team’s week 1 starter? Genuine question. Edit: I forgot Baker didn’t start week 1. Ignore this. Professor Funk fucked around with this message at 00:42 on May 17, 2020 |
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