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It struck me shortly after the last time the thread talked about how bad Little Mac is, but just to put even more nails in the Mac-really-sucks-coffin, if you want to play as an in-your-face fighter with a speedy ground game with both great frame data and explosive KO potential along with a lackluster recovery ... just play as Roy or Chrom. Outside of the finicky KO meter, what does Little Mac have over them? Why have super armor on your smash attacks when you can just have a sword instead, why hit an opponent once or twice before having to win neutral again when you can have moves that actually combo into each other move your opponents into dangerous positions, why have no aerial presence whatsoever both on and off-stage when you ... can and can again combo said aerial moves into other options? And just to kick some more dirt onto said coffin, I really hate how Little Mac's character is portrayed in the Smash games. He's way too serious-looking and frown-y. He's just a little kid with big dreams, he should at least have a doofy smile during his victory animations or something, whooping and/or hollering. Give me Doc Louis, Sakurai.
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all said, it feels really good to 3-stock someone playing a top tier with little mac.
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May 18, 2020 05:03
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the secret good way to buff Mac would be to reduce the amount of time it takes for him to drop his shield and to make him able to cancel spot dodges earlier into attacks* the trick to being good at Punch-Out is to know how to block and dodge well**, and that's how it should work in Smash, too *I am aware characters can already do this, I mean even more **I mean when you're playing through normally, not memorizing the patterns blindfolded or etc.
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May 18, 2020 09:40
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Bleck posted:the secret good way to buff Mac would be to reduce the amount of time it takes for him to drop his shield and to make him able to cancel spot dodges earlier into attacks* This would be horrible to play against even if it didn't make him an actual better character. Having to learn specific defense timings specifically for Little Mac because he gets to cheat at universal mechanics would be frustrating, and unless they make it very clear that he's getting an advantage here it would lead to a lot of anger and confusion with the player base at Little Macs just started punishing folks out of shield cause... it's Mac? Think about how infuriating Mr. Game and Watch currently is because he's the best at using a similar mechanic that still gets applied universally to everyone, so at least folks that learn absolute timings can still tap his shield, and now apply this to a character who is literally cheating at this otherwise standardized mechanic. Little Mac is a failed experiment. Smash is a platform fighter and Little Mac is designed to be unable to actually handle the platform aspect of the game. I have no idea how overtuned his ground game would have to get to make up for his inability to actually have any kind of effective air presence considering how badly his offense AND defense suffer for it, but his Smash 4 version was basically about as idealized a ground character compared to his game as anyone could possibly be and he was still a risky, janky counterpick at best because he still struggles to get actual punish opportunities on his more airborne opponents while being a victim once popped up himself. He probably just needs a Bowser-tier reworking where he needs his strengths pushed while getting his weaknesses toned down- not a GOOD air game, but a FUNCTIONAL one.
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May 18, 2020 10:32
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Yeah but mac's fun tho
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May 18, 2020 10:35
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dogstile posted:Yeah but mac's fun tho
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May 18, 2020 10:45
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Mr. Locke posted:Think about how infuriating Mr. Game and Watch currently is because he's the best at using a similar mechanic that still gets applied universally to everyone, what’s this?
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May 18, 2020 19:26
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b_d posted:what’s this? Frame 3 out of shield up-B, I'd guess.
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May 18, 2020 19:37
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Mac with real aerials, scale back the armor and give him the fighting game back walk is my fantasy adjustment. Like someone else said, build him like a street fighter and let him play the footsies game.
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May 19, 2020 00:27
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You could just make him play like Steve, or put Steve in
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May 19, 2020 00:32
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Reiley posted:Mac with real aerials, scale back the armor and give him the fighting game back walk is my fantasy adjustment. Like someone else said, build him like a street fighter and let him play the footsies game. Also nerf KO punch so it doesn't kill at 30%
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May 19, 2020 00:34
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Little Mac is loving BORING and nobody actually likes playing as him or against him. I like playing as Ike because he is beefy. Honestly the heavyweights only this game are all super fun. Ike, dk, incineroar and k tool all own. Ridley is my sentimental favorite but he’s not really that heavy relative to the others I guess
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May 19, 2020 02:29
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counterpoint: buff KO punch so it's always a OHKO
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May 19, 2020 02:36
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thrilla in vanilla posted:Little Mac is loving BORING and nobody actually likes playing as him or against him. I love playing against him, get him off the edge and he's dead meat. Bing bong so simple. It's also hilarious to spot dodge a KO punch
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May 19, 2020 02:41
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thrilla in vanilla posted:Little Mac is loving BORING and nobody actually likes playing as him or against him. Ike owns though too. It's hilarious seeing this beefy dude and knowing that his most dangerous asset is being able to slice through the air like a demented windmill.
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May 19, 2020 05:09
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thrilla in vanilla posted:Little Mac is loving BORING and nobody actually likes playing as him or against him. i love playing as little mac
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May 19, 2020 05:24
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Strange Matter posted:Banjo is wildly fun to play. He doesn't play anything like a Heavyweight but he's got all the weight he needs. I always felt that Banjo actually plays surprisingly like he does in the original games; a bit slow and durable, with a somewhat disparate but useful toolbox of abilities including a trump card if necessary. And having explosives is always nice.
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May 19, 2020 05:34
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scary ghost dog posted:i love playing as little mac Stop trolling.
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May 19, 2020 13:02
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Nah little mac is genuinely fun to play as until you go up against people that sit on platforms literally all game. So outside of tourneys he's fun all the time.
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May 19, 2020 13:13
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dogstile posted:Nah little mac is genuinely fun to play as until you go up against people that sit on platforms literally all game. I will agree that Little Mac is fun in a casual setting or where everyone agrees to turn their brains off. In a serious game, he's torture to play and a chore to play against.
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May 19, 2020 13:29
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I hate fighting Little Mac especially because I've never been able to get a handle on the character and consistently losing to the undisputed Worst Character In The Game is painfully embarassing
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May 19, 2020 13:39
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In my opinion little mac is great for figuring out the timings on down airs for characters like ganon, dr mario and k rool
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May 19, 2020 13:50
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thrilla in vanilla posted:Stop trolling. his ftilt is godlike
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May 19, 2020 14:06
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w/r/t Little Mac: I like this video where he has aerials.Ghost Leviathan posted:I always felt that Banjo actually plays surprisingly like he does in the original games; a bit slow and durable, with a somewhat disparate but useful toolbox of abilities including a trump card if necessary. And having explosives is always nice. My only gripe is that their aerial game isn't better, because I used to abuse the Rat-a-tat Rap all the time in Kazooie and Tooie.
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May 19, 2020 15:24
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Yeah, Rat-a-Tat is basically the primary way to fight enemies in Banjo-Kazooie.
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May 19, 2020 15:30
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I'd rather fight a million Little Macs then a single Link ever again
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May 19, 2020 15:35
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I fondly remember the 3 weeks after the Smash Bros Wii U / 3DS launch when everyone was 100% convinced that Little Mac was absurdly overpowered
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May 19, 2020 16:06
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Macaluso posted:I'd rather fight a million Little Macs then a single Link ever again Toon Link is my favorite Bros I wish there was a toon Zelda
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May 19, 2020 16:40
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Polo-Rican posted:I fondly remember the 3 weeks after the Smash Bros Wii U / 3DS launch when everyone was 100% convinced that Little Mac was absurdly overpowered Did it really take people that long to find their Z button?
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May 19, 2020 17:26
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Supersonic Shine posted:My only gripe is that their aerial game isn't better, because I used to abuse the Rat-a-tat Rap all the time in Kazooie and Tooie.
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May 19, 2020 21:13
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dogstile posted:Nah little mac is genuinely fun to play as until you go up against people that sit on platforms literally all game. So Little Mac is fun so long as you're fighting someone who doesn't know how to fight Little Mac
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May 19, 2020 21:28
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who's the worst character to watch? seems like the current poor sap to poo poo on is sonic(and , but I think palutena is the least fun to watch someone play beyond that. I used to like watching high level Game and Watch play when Maister was really starting to make a big showing, but it's started to get a bit tedious. also it's hilarious seeing high-end ROB players make strong showings against most characters and then run into, like, Tweek's Wario or Esam's Pikachu and just evaporate
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Captain Invictus posted:who's the worst character to watch? Pikachu. The character is so good that it's actually frustrating to watch IMO
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Captain Invictus posted:who's the worst character to watch? seems like the current poor sap to poo poo on is sonic(and , but I think palutena is the least fun to watch someone play beyond that. I hate watching Fox and the Fire Emblems. I find them SOOOO boring
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Never been a big fan of watching Snake. I've played enough Jokers that I see through the early % combos and now hate the tedium of campforarsene, spamprojectiles, and spamshorthopbair that their meta became. MkLeo aside because, well, you know.
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May 20, 2020 01:21
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Sonic. And not by a little bit, but by very large margin. His entire gameplay is abusing his speed to run away doing hit-and-run strategies for nearly six minutes a match.
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May 20, 2020 02:13
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Youre too slow
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May 20, 2020 02:21
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Snake is definitely the most boring watch for me, but I'll never really enjoy watching Wolf or Fox, either.
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May 20, 2020 02:21
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Theta Zero posted:Sonic. And not by a little bit, but by very large margin. His entire gameplay is abusing his speed to run away doing hit-and-run strategies for nearly six minutes a match. This. Sonic was hastily designed because he was a last minute addition to Brawl (due to SEGA being picky about the rights) and as a result his moveset is boring and uninspired, and they've just never gone back and improved it.
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That said I don't think there's anything that could be done to make Sonic better because Sonic is an inherently boring character.
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