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Seeing the reaction to Martha Hart's entirely legitimate grievances from certain wrestling fans has really made me mad. And honestly, seeing the absolute mess that the Hart family is it's hard to blame her for wanting nothing to do with the rest of them. It was such an avoidable tragedy. Just loving greed and a stupid need for things to look a certain way. And I know it's an irrelevant thing in the scheme of things but it's such an indictment on the WWE that all they could find for Owen Hart was an ironic retread of the Blue Blazer gimmick. He was so good. Not a great promo and not as big as they liked at the time but other than that there's really not much else you can say against Owen Hart as a pro wrestler. And that feud with Bret. Man.
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gently caress wwe and gently caress everyone involved in it, let this garbage company die
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May 20, 2020 12:09
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I still can't believe that loving clasp they used. When they talked about a quick release thing, I assumed it was still some kind of carabiner that opened more easily and wasn't one of the locking carabiners. To see Martha hold up that thing and show how easily it released... just, gently caress.
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May 20, 2020 13:01
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Also it was wildly depressing and infuriating when Jericho started listing the guys who would come to WWE the year following Owen's death. He would absolutely had a career renaissance and probably have made a bunch of money so he could have retired even earlier.
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May 20, 2020 13:04
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MJeff posted:Bret is conspicuous by his absence in that one. I really hope he and Martha can figure their poo poo out someday. :/ One of the most telling things about Bret and where his priorities lie is that, after everything Vince did to him and his family, he finally started working with the company again just so they wouldn't release an unflattering DVD documentary about him
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May 20, 2020 13:10
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When did “Bret meets Vince in a park after Montreal and brings his brother along for security” take place I wonder if Bret getting his footage/photos back was in exchange for “start talking poo poo about Martha so WWE doesn’t look bad”
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May 20, 2020 15:40
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Lucania posted:Forbes had an article about this today: Thanks for this. Certainly takes Bret down several notches in my mind. 
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May 20, 2020 16:01
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I really wish I could see the alternate timeline where she didn't settle and this did wind up going to trial. To see Vince squirm on the stand trying to explain away all of this... Did they mention specifically why she settled? I can't recall if they mentioned it, and they really just tied everything up quickly after a commercial break without a lot of details.
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May 20, 2020 16:02
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OctoberCountry posted:One of the most telling things about Bret and where his priorities lie is that, after everything Vince did to him and his family, he finally started working with the company again just so they wouldn't release an unflattering DVD documentary about him To be fair his issue was that they’d control basically his entire history as a wrestler, not just the lovely DVD they would have released. This doesn’t really make it any better, just saying.
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May 20, 2020 16:03
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Well gently caress. That police report really makes it sound like it was Owen's sillyass cape that killed him. The test (and the one rigger's testimony) would indicate the thing started choking him on the descent, Owen tried pulling at it and pulled the cheap release mechanism instead.
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May 20, 2020 16:26
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Ganso Bomb posted:I really wish I could see the alternate timeline where she didn't settle and this did wind up going to trial. To see Vince squirm on the stand trying to explain away all of this... She talked about this on Jericho's podcast. If I remember right, she settled because of Ellie Hart giving WWE their documents and, more importantly, WWE was going to drag everything out and do the typical corporation/rich rear end in a top hat tactic of dragging everything out long enough to bleed the plaintiff dry. I distinctly remember her saying (paraphrasing) she was adamant about getting justice/accountability but realized that wasn't going to happen and the settlement was the best she could do. e: DeathChicken posted:Well gently caress. That police report really makes it sound like it was Owen's sillyass cape that killed him. The test (and the one rigger's testimony) would indicate the thing started choking him on the descent, Owen tried pulling at it and pulled the cheap release mechanism instead. That clip was never ever going to hold Owen's weight regardless of any extra pulling.
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May 20, 2020 16:27
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Ganso Bomb posted:I really wish I could see the alternate timeline where she didn't settle and this did wind up going to trial. To see Vince squirm on the stand trying to explain away all of this... I mean she settled because 18 million dollars will set her family up for generations, 18 million is how much the kid who Michael Jackson assaulted got after lawyer fees, it’s a massive number. If they had pursued further they’d be going up against lawyers who could find loopholes and ways to wriggle out of poo poo and draw the case on for years and years.
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Ganso Bomb posted:I really wish I could see the alternate timeline where she didn't settle and this did wind up going to trial. To see Vince squirm on the stand trying to explain away all of this... Besides the lawyers dragging everything out, I have to imagine that the actual money isn't as satisfying for her as just taking money out of Vince's pocket.
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May 20, 2020 16:44
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^ That's all what I figured, with WWE running the long game knowing they could pay for a long process and Martha couldn't. Such a great and not at all problematic legal system!
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May 20, 2020 17:09
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Unperson_47 posted:"I resent your tone." I got massive Trump vibes from this part. Classic deflection.
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May 20, 2020 18:02
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goddamn that was a brutal watch, I had to take a few breaks. gently caress Vince McMahon.
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May 20, 2020 18:36
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owen was the only hart that wasn't a total mark for the business and wanted out. so of course the business killed him. i hope the wwe dies, and vince [redacted]
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May 20, 2020 18:37
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I guess I'll put this here? https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1263157748893650944
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Seeing all of the family videos and photos made me think of my daughter (4). I'm going to need to rewatch this because I felt so much for Martha. Paraphrasing here: "I instantly saw two clear paths from this." As a teen at the time of Owen's death I never understood how statements like that are such a big deal. I'm a parent now. I would not reach that better decision as quickly as she did. PWT is now selling two new Owen Hart shirts. Proceeds go to the Owen Hart Foundation, which does amazing things. If you'd rather not support PWT, please send all money directly to the Owen Hart Foundation. Once more for the people in the back Coaaab posted:gently caress vince mcmahon
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May 20, 2020 18:53
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forkboy84 posted:And I know it's an irrelevant thing in the scheme of things but it's such an indictment on the WWE that all they could find for Owen Hart was an ironic retread of the Blue Blazer gimmick.
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May 20, 2020 19:08
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Because it bears repeatingCoaaab posted:gently caress vince mcmahon
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someone elsewhere said there was no need to continue ribbing on sting since the wwf was well ahead of wcw at that point but as sting vs triple h proved, vince is so loving petty Coaaab posted:gently caress vince mcmahon
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animeluva1 posted:Seeing all of the family videos and photos made me think of my daughter (4). I'm going to need to rewatch this because I felt so much for Martha. Paraphrasing here: "I instantly saw two clear paths from this." As a teen at the time of Owen's death I never understood how statements like that are such a big deal. I'm a parent now. I would not reach that better decision as quickly as she did. PWT's site is down because of everyone wanting Owen shirts.
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May 20, 2020 19:19
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Wasn't the return of the Blue Blazer gimmick a punishment for him turning down some seedy garbage involving Debra?
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probably was a punishment. i know he had zero interest in doing the adultery gimmick with debra, and we all know that vince decides on a whim whether standing up to him works in your favor or not. double gently caress vince mcmahon
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I think it needs reiterating just how hosed up of a decision it was to keep the show going after Owen’s death. I’m reminded of when the cricketer Phil Hughes was hit by the ball during a match and was hospitalised but died two days later. The game he was playing in was immediately abandoned following the hit and the other State games being played at the same time were called off at the end of that day. This was all before Hughes had died (although things didn’t look good, obviously). I’ve read all the excuses for why the show continued and they’re all bullshit as far as I can tell. Seams fucked around with this message at 20:26 on May 20, 2020 |
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And then they sent Jeff Jarrett, by most accounts Owen's best friend, out there to wrestle next to a big puddle of his blood.
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Haven't watched the ep yet, but Martha tell the story about how the company sent a wreath to Owen's funeral, and it had a giant WWF logo in it? https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1263200247766867969?s=20 Davros1 fucked around with this message at 21:13 on May 20, 2020 |
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I have to imagine Vince's response to tragedies is always "How could they do this to me?" Benoit kills his family and himself, setting off months of intense media scrutiny and changes to the industry? "How could he do this to me? I rescued him from WCW, he never told me he was sad!" Martha's suing? "How could she do this to me? I said I was sad and did a tribute show!" Bret refusing to drop the belt to Shawn? "How could he do this to me? I let him go to WCW!" Eddie, Crash, Hawk, Bulldog, Perfect, Bossman, etc. dying at a young age, raising suspicions about the long term health of wrestlers = "How could they do this to me? Why didn't they take better care of themselves?" Snuka controversy returns? "How could they do this to me? That was over 30 years ago!"
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349,000 total viewers (previous high was 320,000 for Benoit). 0.18% rating in the key demo (previous high was 0.14% for Benoit; last week's NXT did a 0.15% rating in the demo). 31st highest rated premiere on cable in the key demo all day Tuesday. (Previous high was 68th place for the Road Warriors episode last week.) Yeeeeeeaaaah, it looks like we're getting a third season.
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Have to imagine the Eddie ep is a lock for season 3
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gently caress Vince McMahon forever and gently caress the WWE period
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Chris James 2 posted:Have to imagine the Eddie ep is a lock for season 3 Is there more to say after the Benoit episodes? Bulldog, on the other hand...
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May 20, 2020 22:10
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Has Nattie ever publicly stated who's side she goes towards in all of this?
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Doesn't really answer your question but Bret has accompanied her to the ring on a few occasions
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At this point they're basically paying Nattie to not sue them over the Tyson Kidd thing. She's probably smart enough to keep quiet.
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Benne posted:At this point they're basically paying Nattie to not sue them over the Tyson Kidd thing. She's probably smart enough to keep quiet. What thing? The injury? Stopping him and Cesaro from using The UpperCats as a tag team name?
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May 20, 2020 22:28
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Benne posted:At this point they're basically paying Nattie to not sue them over the Tyson Kidd thing. She's probably smart enough to keep quiet. I forgot about that. You're probably right.
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Red posted:What thing? The injury? Stopping him and Cesaro from using The UpperCats as a tag team name? Tyson broke his neck on a random dark match he was forced into at the last minute. Nobody checked on him backstage and Nattie had to drive him to the hospital when the pain got worse. It ended up being a near-fatal injury.
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Davros1 posted:Haven't watched the ep yet, but Martha tell the story about how the company sent a wreath to Owen's funeral, and it had a giant WWF logo in it? here it is https://twitter.com/wonf4w/status/1263222981989298179?s=21
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