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b-minus1 posted:The thought crossed my mind earlier tbh. Lunch kumba today, he flips scum and Jose has ultimate town cred. But imo it would make more sense to attempt to lunch a town player and win today There's an outside case to be made that TNL is actually the smartest vote today, but its lynchpin is the assumption that kumba and jose are not scumbuddies. It also degenerates into some massive WIFOM over whether or not the scum leave kumba alive overnight, which is why I wanted to know if his role required an overt act, since then we could just vote him out at lylo if the game did not in fact win itself for us. Between that and this very good point: Jose Valasquez posted:This doesn't add up. You brought up the idea of everyone claiming in the first place.
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CapnAndy posted:You still jump very oddly from having nothing bad to say about keane to him being third on your list, though. The first week of the game was extremely busy for me. I got paged for work something like 10 times in a few days: Jose Valasquez posted:I'm on call for work and everything has been blowing up all day so I might not have a lot of time to read or post before the deadline. From the high level skimming I was doing of the thread, Keane seemed to be putting in genuine effort, and the meta argument thing was something I had a strong opinion about that didn't require digging through post histories. On Friday, once I was no longer on call and I actually had time to dig into his posting around the LordNad vote I agreed that it looked scummy so I adjusted my read. Reevaluating opinions based on new information is Mafia
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I suppose it’s possible that kumba and Jose are town and andy or tnl is the final scum. drat this is very stressful
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It's also occurred to me that kumba really ought to be advocating a no-vote today if he's telling the truth; there's every chance we're at lylo right now.
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when I first read the role I literally WTFd out loud because I couldn't fathom what use it could be; claiming it obviously makes me a liability, I have no other information, and there's little chance of it ever even coming into play a few days later I had a eureka moment and figured, in the offchance I'm alive in 3-man LYLO, it makes for a hell of a gambit and what an ending that would be! fitting, given the first season! There's no reason for me to make up such a ridiculous role, and I claimed no night action while zzyzx was still alive, leaving me open to get caught if I'm killing or visiting anyone. Why take the risk??
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CapnAndy posted:It's also occurred to me that kumba really ought to be advocating a no-vote today if he's telling the truth; there's every chance we're at lylo right now. I extremely doubt there are two scum
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Maybe tnl is the best lunch choice.
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The way I see it, if it's TNL then whatever I'm claiming a moral victory even if the town loses. I extremely doubt it If it's b-, that's the hardest bus I think I've ever seen, and on a first timer no less It's gotta be Jose or Andy, I think Jose is scummier by posts but Andy is scummier by setup spec, so I'd still go Jose first
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b-minus1 posted:Maybe tnl is the best lunch choice. If there's two scum and it's jose/kumba: Vote jose or kumba. If there's two scum and it's TNL and jose or kumba: Vote TNL because he's the one we're sure of in that pairing. If there's one scum: We don't lose today no matter what. In this scenario I say vote jose or TNL; if kumba is the scum he'll obviously keep himself alive. If jose/TNL is the scum, he has to assume kumba's telling the truth about his role and thus has a bad choice -- keep kumba alive and give the town another way to win the game, or kill kumba and signal unambiguously who the scum is. Next day will come down to a massive WIFOM over if kumba is alive because he's the last scum or because the scum wanted us to think he is. Note that if you strike out the jose/kumba possibility, then "vote TNL" is always one of the correct decisions for today. But if you don't do that... well, like I said, I'm willing to vote kumba at this point. Also for the record, I'm aware that all of this is staked on b- being definitely town and I'm okay with that. If he's scum we're going to lose this game and we deserve to lose, he's played a masterpiece.
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FYI votefinder seems to be having issues at the moment: Votecount for Day 6   kumba (2): Jose Valasquez, b-minus1 Not Voting (3): CapnAndy, kumba, The Ninth LayerWith 5 alive, it's 3 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 23rd, 2020 at 7 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 23 hours.
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the problem is that, if you're willing to believe me and vote to NoLunch, you believe me so why wouldn't you just vote the other guy my role at this point is, I think, irrelevant
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CapnAndy posted:FYI votefinder seems to be having issues at the moment: When this happens if you go to votefinder and hit the refresh arrow thingy on the game it fixes it Votecount for Day 6 Jose Valasquez (1): kumba kumba (1): Jose Valasquez, b-minus1, Not Voting (3): b-minus1, CapnAndy, The Ninth LayerWith 5 alive, it's 3 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 23rd, 2020 at 7 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 23 hours.
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kumba posted:The way I see it, if it's TNL then whatever I'm claiming a moral victory even if the town loses. I extremely doubt it TNL's scum buddy found  But seriously I agree with this, if it is TNL then that's just a big wet fart on the entire game
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CapnAndy posted:If and only if you don't think it's possible that kumba and jose are working together, it is. It certainly puts the scum into an interesting position with regard to leaving kumba alive for tomorrow. I'll do an abbreviated breakdown of the big post I wrote, since I deleted that one: Option 4, kumba's role does give some kind of lylo advantage, but not for town. The best lies are close to the truth
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is this scum Andy trying to keep me, him, and b- alive to LYLO for a guaranteed lunch on me? this sudden push to lunch TNL in most circumstances is ehhhh
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kumba posted:the problem is that, if you're willing to believe me and vote to NoLunch, you believe me so why wouldn't you just vote the other guy 1) the unambiguous knowledge the town is in LYLO 2) the town being willing to place absolute trust in you telling the truth 3) the town willingly no-voting at lylo, even though if they're wrong that loses the game as surely as a misvote The only time 1 can ever be true is when there's three people left, and if 2 is true, then as you yourself have said, why not just vote for the other guy, because like 3 says, why wouldn't you, it's exactly as risky. As described you are some sort of bizarre quasi-survivor who offers no actual benefit to the town. Either you're lying or Kloaked and Spoonsy owe you and the rest of us an apology for the worst role ever created by God or man. (To say nothing of how this is nowhere remotely similar to the Oracle role it's apparently named after!) This is sort of exactly why I don't believe you, man.
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Jose Valasquez posted:Option 4, kumba's role does give some kind of lylo advantage, but not for town. The best lies are close to the truth
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CapnAndy posted:Oh, that's not bad at all.
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I'm sorry I'm multiposting like a lunatic but I keep on seeing it more and more. How the effing heck is a townie supposed to use a role that only works at LYLO when 3 people left alive is literally the only time in the game the town can be sure they're in LYLO? Why haven't any of us been questioning that before now?
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Also, I was typing this up anyway before this whole other avenue of discussion blew up: kumba sat at two votes -- b- and jose -- for a significant amount of time. During that time, both TNL and I participated in the thread and could have hammered him. kumba will not vote for himself. If kumba is town and there's two scum remaining, unless the scumteam is b- and jose, TNL or I are the remaining scum. But if that were the case, we would have hammered and won the game. This didn't happen. Thus, "kumba is town and there's two scum remaining" is impossible. One of those statements must be false. Which means that if there are two scum remaining, kumba must be one of them. Which means voting kumba is the correct choice today: if there's two scum, one of them is him, and if there's one scum, he still may be it and we don't lose on a misvote.
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I literally posted almost exactly that twice
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Would anyone like to find fault in anything I just said, I'm honestly asking. Because I think this is airtight.
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kumba posted:I literally posted almost exactly that twice
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kumba posted:when I first read the role I literally WTFd out loud because I couldn't fathom what use it could be; claiming it obviously makes me a liability, I have no other information, and there's little chance of it ever even coming into play
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CapnAndy posted:Also, I was typing this up anyway before this whole other avenue of discussion blew up: The highlighted part is logically the third option, but if it were true I wouldn't be pointing it out, I'd just say 
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Jose Valasquez posted:The highlighted part is logically the third option, but if it were true I wouldn't be pointing it out, I'd just say
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CapnAndy posted:I don’t believe b- is scum and I’m quite willing to bet the game on it. Then yes, assuming b- is town I think you are correct, kumba cannot be town if there are two scum remaining
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I don’t trust kumba. he sat at -1 for a while and if he was town, scum could have easily hammered. The last thing I want is for us to lose due to lylo shenanigans. I recall a recent game where lumpen made it to a 3 person LYLO and won because he had a doublevoter part of his role that he hid from everyone. Kumba needs to be the lunch today.
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##vote kumba
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Does anyone have a reason to not hammer?
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I say do it
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##vote kumba 
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The Ninth Layer posted:##vote kumba oh gently caress me are you scum with someone
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Great chat everyone. Somehow, the town was not yet safe yet. No one was certain as to why. So after some squabble, they looked to Kumba. What the heck was an Oraclet? Could it be a typo? And if it was a typo, what the heck is an Oracle? Surely it was a front for something. So they put the peeps in the chili pot and threw Kumba off the cliff. They put the peeps in the chili pot ... and there wasn't a bounce  Kumba, Chidi Anagonye, Oracle, (Town-Aligned) has been chasm'd Night actions!
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THAT WAS FAST! NO FANCY FLAVOR TNL IS DEAD HE WAS IN FACT  TheNinthLayer, John Wheaton, Snoop (Town-Aligned) has been ladle'd DO THE THING! YOU HAVE TIL SATURDAY AT HIGH NOON! Spoonsy fucked around with this message at 03:28 on May 22, 2020 |
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Votecount for Day 7 Not Voting (3): b-minus1, CapnAndy, Jose Valasquez With 3 alive, it's 2 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 23rd, 2020 at noon EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 13 hours.
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