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Would I have looked more scummy if I didn't vote? I feel a bit stuck between a rock and a hard place here.
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omg i actually forgot my joke vote on aa was still on him im so sorry
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May 22, 2020 20:17
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dmboogie posted:tbh im flailing because not only is this day 1 it's a very short day 1 also i wanna go back to thi. boogie says he's flailing, but when you look at his posts beforehand re humalong and aa, theyre def not something that looked like flailing (he says one of these two are scum quite confidently) and hell i didnt even characterize them as flailing. if anything, i called them "oddly certain", which is more confident than i feel like he could be, so this post feels weird and oddly self conscious
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May 22, 2020 20:20
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flerp posted:why is the maigius hammer scummy? Because there were two people who'd already said they were willing to hammer but we were still in the process of discussing a possible switch to you or Hum. There was five minutes left and enough people around to make it happen when suddenly Maigius swooped in and put an end to that possibility in the name of "moving the game along" which is an extremely weird justification to give because it'd be moving along in five minutes regardless. And for the first time, useful things were happening, information for future days was being produced, etc. The only thing giving me pause is that Maigius is a newbie. From someone who knew what he was doing it'd be really scummy IMO. But maybe it just seems worse to me specifically because I hadn't given up on pulling off a last minute switch yet.
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May 22, 2020 20:28
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Maigius posted:Would I have looked more scummy if I didn't vote? I feel a bit stuck between a rock and a hard place here. No. "Oh poo poo I didn't realize it was deadline already and I just woke up" would have been a fine thing to post. Followed by an opinion about whether NLK, flerp or Hum was the best lunch.
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May 22, 2020 20:29
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xopods if you think he’s scum you have to go pull more from his post history, one debatably bad hammer post approaching deadline isn’t enough
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May 22, 2020 20:30
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Sandwolf posted:xopods if you think he’s scum you have to go pull more from his post history, one debatably bad hammer post approaching deadline isn’t enough I agree and am doubting myself, which is why I was asking what others think... Because I realize that in the heat of the moment, things look different to different people. From my point of view, the way the end of day went was: Xopods perspective posted:Sandwolf: Hmm, well I'm not excited by an NLK lunch but I'm going to vote him to make sure we don't no-lunch. Anyone want to switch? However, I realize that this is kind of subjective and there was enough stuff going on that depending on what other people see as important, the narrative might seem different. I also realize, as I said, that for Maigius's hammer (or your absence, Sandwolf) to be scummy requires that one of the potential other candidates to be scum as well, probably flerp since Hum would have been a longshot at that point.
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May 22, 2020 20:58
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I, like a dumbass, did not hit preview and see that people were going to flip to NLK, but I did see they were at 4 out of 5 votes, and after scrambling to find a decent reasoning other than the bandwagon vote, jumped on and took the hammer. I guess I figured I would be any easy target at night if I did not vote at all.
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May 22, 2020 20:59
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(I also realize that Maigius's first, badly formatted hammer came in before my Sandwolf post, even though I didn't see it until after I hit post. But there was clearly still conversation going on, and no chance of failure to lunch because there were people able and willing to hammer who said that's what they were going to do... all Maigius accomplished was to cut off discussion a few minutes before it was necessary to do so. But he is a newbie so maybe didn't realize why that'd be bad, especially if he had in fact just woken up and saw it was 5 minutes from deadline.)
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May 22, 2020 21:02
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Anyway, I've got another game to post in, a setup to work on and some RL stuff to deal with and right now I've got mixed feelings about everyone in this game so I'm gonna step away for a bit and go over the EOD1 again later this evening or tomorrow morning.
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May 22, 2020 21:06
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This is not a LumpenList xopods (more townie) flerp Maigius Chic Humalong boogie (more scummy)
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May 22, 2020 21:08
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appreciate the support why are boogie + hum at the bottom?
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May 22, 2020 21:12
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Sandwolf posted:This is not a LumpenList you said you probably wouldn't have voted hum last night, why is he near the bottom? also why am i the bottom you havent said anything about me ever lmao
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May 22, 2020 21:17
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dmboogie posted:you said you probably wouldn't have voted hum last night, why is he near the bottom? also why am i the bottom you havent said anything about me ever lmao flerp posted:also i wanna go back to thi. boogie says he's flailing, but when you look at his posts beforehand re humalong and aa, theyre def not something that looked like flailing (he says one of these two are scum quite confidently) and hell i didnt even characterize them as flailing. if anything, i called them "oddly certain", which is more confident than i feel like he could be, so this post feels weird and oddly self conscious I agree with this post by flerp from earlier as well as his characterization of your play. Also very good that all you have to do is lightly call someone scum and boy, they appear!
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May 22, 2020 21:41
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Hum’s EOD post felt weirdly hesitant for the time and place of it. It felt way too self conscious. This read requires NLK to have flipped town.
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May 22, 2020 21:42
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Sandwolf posted:Also very good that all you have to do is lightly call someone scum and boy, they appear! ive been here the whole tiiiiiiiiiime man
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May 22, 2020 21:47
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I take it, since it happened on day 1, no one really cares that NLK was the miller?
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May 22, 2020 21:52
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Maigius posted:I take it, since it happened on day 1, no one really cares that NLK was the miller? I fully realize this post makes it look like I'm deflecting suspicion off of myself, but I'm genuinely curious.
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May 22, 2020 21:53
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Maigius posted:I take it, since it happened on day 1, no one really cares that NLK was the miller? doesnt rly do anything or change anything
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May 22, 2020 22:16
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the one thing it MIGHT say is there's a cop in this setup, but also that there MIGHT NOT be a cop because toal is trying to mess w/ us
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May 22, 2020 22:16
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yeah normally there are much worse ways to spend day 1 than getting a miller out of the way, but in a 9-person game like this there isn't a single expendable townie
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May 22, 2020 22:20
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Miller only exists to trip up cops or gunsmiths but I think it’s probably a red herring in this game Please do not loving claim if you are a cop or gunsmith
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May 23, 2020 00:28
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Sandwolf posted:Hum’s EOD post felt weirdly hesitant for the time and place of it. It felt way too self conscious. This read requires NLK to have flipped town. I was extremely confused by AA’s continued reaction to my posts. It read like someone who was either not reading things correctly or intentionally misreading my posts to push me.
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May 23, 2020 00:29
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Yeah but why not just take the chance on the latter option when he’s -1 rapidly approaching deadline
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May 23, 2020 01:10
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Sandwolf posted:Yeah but why not just take the chance on the latter option when he’s -1 rapidly approaching deadline Because I know AA often gets confused about poo poo
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May 23, 2020 01:22
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Mr. Humalong posted:Please do not loving claim if you are a cop or gunsmith I'm a cop and a gunsmith. Also a tracker.
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May 23, 2020 01:31
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two days until deadline this is turbo round mafia babey
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May 23, 2020 04:01
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I think Sandwolf is probably a good lunch today. Dmboogie's point about his not-a-Lumpenlist conflicting with his D1 behavior is decent although not damning because it's to be expected that opinions get updated frequently in the early game. However, I think his EOD1 is very bad and, on consideration, doesn't necessarily require Flerp to be scum. Sandwolf might be telling the truth that he managed to get distracted by video games and forget about deadline within the span of an hour... however, if that's the case, then it implies he was a bit indifferent about the lunch. Which in turn implies that he was lying about wanting to switch. If he's Town and genuinely wanted to switch, he wouldn't cast his vote for the player he "doesn't feel great about" lunching, then go off and forget about deadline with one hour to go. Townies forget about deadline all the time, but not if they're there just an hour before and telling people they're not liking the current bandwagon and want to orchestrate a switch. ##vote Sandwolf
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May 23, 2020 14:19
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i have awokenMaigius posted:I take it, since it happened on day 1, no one really cares that NLK was the miller? why would we care?
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May 23, 2020 15:51
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Sandwolf posted:This is actually kind of a weird post to make when NLK is literally about to be lunched or not. Like it feels way too self conscious for what it’s trying to be. If you think he’s scum why hesitate to vote? unless i'm misreading it was also made 7 minutes before deadline, which is cutting it preeeeetty close & also a setup for "boo I knew it, i told you" posturing
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May 23, 2020 15:54
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xopods posted:I think Sandwolf is probably a good lunch today. Dmboogie's point about his not-a-Lumpenlist conflicting with his D1 behavior is decent although not damning because it's to be expected that opinions get updated frequently in the early game. Why does that make me scum then
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May 23, 2020 18:18
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Sandwolf posted:Why does that make me scum then It's right there in the last paragraph: You indicated that you had a preference for someone other than NLK, but your behavior says otherwise. Genuinely forgetting about deadline when you're away from the thread for an extended period is one thing. Being around and noting that the deadline is in an hour and then forgetting about it in that span of time indicates that you aren't particularly interested in who gets lunched and what the flip will be. If you were absent deliberately, it would suggest that you didn't want to be forced to vote for your buddy... however, if you did genuinely forget, I think that means that you knew both the vote leader and the most likely alternative(s) were Town and didn't care which one it was. And I think it's the latter.
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May 23, 2020 19:02
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idk this argument just reminds me of the time where a doctor claimed that they'd forgotten to submit a night action, and then everyone thought it was an obvious lie and they eventually got lunched, and then it turned out they were a town doctor that had forgotten to submit a night action sometimes forgetting is just forgetting
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May 23, 2020 19:05
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xopods your statement indicates you think both AA and Hum are town, why? Just a gut feel? I know your case is apathy on the lunch = don’t care who’s lunched cuz scum wasn’t at risk. But how’d you conclude that about Hum?
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May 23, 2020 19:14
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Quick clarification, who's AA? There seems to be no one with those initials in this game. While I agree the that Sandwolf running off is a bit suspicious, I know I've done the same thing before. (Started playing a video game and lost track of time.)
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May 24, 2020 00:04
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nlk is aa
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May 24, 2020 00:15
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Let he who has not lost track of time playing video games throw the first stone
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May 24, 2020 00:48
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Sandwolf posted:xopods your statement indicates you think both AA and Hum are town, why? Just a gut feel? I know your case is apathy on the lunch = don’t care who’s lunched cuz scum wasn’t at risk. But how’d you conclude that about Hum? No, that's not correct. Earlier today I said I thought both your deadline disappearance and Maigius's hammer-from-nowhere seemed scummy, but that if you were trying to ensure NLK got lunched, it was probably because you were trying to avoid a deadline scramble because it might fall on flerp or (less likely) Humalong. I still think that's true... it's hard for both you and Maigius to be scum. However, after some thought, I realized that YOUR alignment doesn't depend on theirs. Because if they are in fact both Town and you knew that, you wouldn't be particularly invested in the lunch decision either way, which would make it more likely you'd become distracted and forget about the thread.
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I don't think I worded that very clearly. I'm exhausted today. Anyway, tl;dr is I previously thought for you to be Scum required that flerp probably be the other Scum (or if not flerp, then Hum). I wasn't saying flerp and Hum must be Town, just now, only that their alignments aren't necessarily connected to yours as I originally thought.
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hi i might be spotty over the next few days for personal reasonsxopods posted:No, that's not correct. not really sure i Get this take
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