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I'm home and still catching up, but: Voodoo what the gently caress, why would you reset votes so close to the deadline AND vig the vote leader? It's not like you didn't know that using your power would reset the votes, because the power explicitly says that's the case. It's like you were hopping up and down for the chance to use your power on who you wanted to die, and not on who the actual lurker was.
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May 24, 2020 19:34
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Apparently you covered this butVoodoofly posted:Oh poor spring child, if you think I wasn't salivating at the mouth to kill a lurker regardless of my alignment then, well, I'll show you the true path over the next however many games we hopefully play together. You didn't kill _a_ lurker. You killed a specific lurker by goading the other leading lurker into posting. Why would you give a poo poo either way? And why would you knowing reset the vote count with three hours and change to deadline? Maybe even less time than that, since it seems there was a possibility that you thought it was even closer to the deadline than it actually was because of the 10:00AM comment.
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May 24, 2020 19:41
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Cidrick posted:And why would you knowing reset the vote count with three hours and change to deadline? Mafia edit: my profile still thought I was in pacific time. So yeah with either under a half an hour or under an hour and a half left, you chose to reset the vote count.
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May 24, 2020 19:43
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CID i didn’t know it would reset until this morning. My role pm didn’t say that. By the time I knew it would cause a reset pander pander was And I said I wanted spoonsy over pander because I was already voting spoonsy when jammy started posting. It was one versus the other so made a choice. If spoonsy started posting it wouldn’t have mattered and I hammer pander instead.
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May 24, 2020 19:53
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Pander posted:I explained to my wife how people pissed I wasn't around for 90% of the day and then I end up horsewhipping everyone into voting someone. I'm going to stop beating around the bush here, and call you and Voodoo scum buddies. Based on how this all played out, it REALLY looks like Voodoo publicly berated his scum buddy into posting so that he could vig someone he knew was town, and try to force a no-lynch by doing it so close to the deadline to give the scum team a numbers edge early on in the game. Plus, you led the panic-vote at the last second on a thin case against Jam when there were no clear candidates because the leading one was vigged. We have a lot to potentially to learn from night actions tonight, but we're not in twilight, so gently caress it, I'm putting my money where my mouth is ##vote Voodoofly Sorry buddy. I'll happily vote Pander today if the votes move that way instead.
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May 24, 2020 19:56
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Cidrick posted:I'm going to stop beating around the bush here, and call you and Voodoo scum buddies. Based on how this all played out, it REALLY looks like Voodoo publicly berated his scum buddy into posting so that he could vig someone he knew was town, and try to force a no-lynch by doing it so close to the deadline to give the scum team a numbers edge early on in the game. Plus, you led the panic-vote at the last second on a thin case against Jam when there were no clear candidates because the leading one was vigged. Bold move.
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May 24, 2020 19:57
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Voodoofly posted:CID i didn’t know it would reset until this morning. My role pm didn’t say that. By the time I knew it would cause a reset pander pander was And you did it anyway?
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May 24, 2020 20:00
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CCKeane posted:Bold move. Join me. Or on Pander. Both are good options!
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May 24, 2020 20:00
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Cidrick posted:And you did it anyway? Yes. I already covered this. I justified it as spoonsy probably going to be a lunch candidate anyway. Hell he might have been vote leader when I did it.
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May 24, 2020 20:02
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Cidrick posted:Join me. Or on Pander. Both are good options! I generally prefer to wait until the day starts.
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May 24, 2020 20:04
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CCKeane posted:I generally prefer to wait until the day starts. Want to see if your night kill goes thru eh?
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May 24, 2020 20:04
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Voodoofly posted:Yes. I already covered this. I justified it as spoonsy probably going to be a lunch candidate anyway. Hell he might have been vote leader when I did it. He absolutely was the vote leader. Votefinder listed him as the lead candidate with 4 votes in the post directly before your vig. Sorry, I just don't buy your rationale at all. I'm sorry that you had to be scum in our first game back together, but it had to happen to someone 
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May 24, 2020 20:05
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Cidrick posted:He absolutely was the vote leader. Votefinder listed him as the lead candidate with 4 votes in the post directly before your vig. Sorry, I just don't buy your rationale at all. Why on earth would I not want to use the kill on someone I had called scummy already, who wasn’t posting, and who was likely a lunch? It gave us to lunches today. We missed on both. I would have preferred chili as the other one but not enough people agreed?
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May 24, 2020 20:07
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May 24, 2020 20:08
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Voodoofly posted:Why on earth would I not want to use the kill on someone I had called scummy already, who wasn’t posting, and who was likely a lunch? It gave us to lunches today. We missed on both. I would have preferred chili as the other one but not enough people agreed? You spent the better part of a day jumping up and down trying to get Pander to post instead of just using your lurker kill on Pander, and letting Spoonsy get lynched. Spoonsy wasn't the vote leader yet, but he seemed to be well on his way to being lynched for lurking. We still would have gotten two flips and more time to process the flip without having to deal with the last minute no-lynch situation. Voodoofly posted:Two lunches not to lunches Phone posting is a bitch.
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May 24, 2020 20:14
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Voodoofly posted:Want to see if your night kill goes thru eh? I'm consulting my lawyer because this post made my eyes roll out of my head so hard that they fell out, the world's first mafia related injury.
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May 24, 2020 20:15
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CCKeane posted:I'm consulting my lawyer because this post made my eyes roll out of my head so hard that they fell out, the world's first mafia related injury. Smells like a deflection to me, folks.
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May 24, 2020 20:15
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Cidrick posted:Smells like a deflection to me, folks. Who said that!
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May 24, 2020 20:21
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CCKeane posted:Who said that! The ghost of good rationale
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May 24, 2020 20:28
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oh man cid's posts just now are pretty good maybe he isn't scum after all
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May 24, 2020 20:46
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not to get too wifom but if jammy was vig then that means neither highwire or cid took it and a scum vig would be too ridiculous too pass up so that flip, imo, look pretty good for them
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May 24, 2020 20:48
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This is a tough one to untangle. On one hand, it's really weird that Voodoo tried so hard to specifically avoid lurker-killing Pander. On the other hand, that would be a pretty bold move for scum. There wasn't really anyone that was the imminent lunch target, so it wouldn't make sense to behave that way to specifically reset the lynch and save someone. Voodoo can you elaborate on what you're saying here: Voodoofly posted:CID i didn’t know it would reset until this morning. My role pm didn’t say that. By the time I knew it would cause a reset pander pander was
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May 24, 2020 20:54
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I kinda don't buy that the reset mechanic wasn't in your role PM, because... your role PM is publicly posted in the OP, and sure enough, it's there. Unless merk really hosed you, you're lying.Voodoofly posted:ahem, I'm the only one so far who has killed a townie. Killing townies is the most townie tell there is.
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May 24, 2020 20:57
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Cidrick posted:I'm going to stop beating around the bush here, and call you and Voodoo scum buddies. Based on how this all played out, it REALLY looks like Voodoo publicly berated his scum buddy into posting so that he could vig someone he knew was town, and try to force a no-lynch by doing it so close to the deadline to give the scum team a numbers edge early on in the game. Plus, you led the panic-vote at the last second on a thin case against Jam when there were no clear candidates because the leading one was vigged. Killing a townie and forcing a no-lynch isn't really worth a big gambit: the scum were already well on their way to getting a townie (Spoonsy) lunched without the need for a big gambit. That would have numerically put them in the position that you're proposing without the risk of the gavel. At the time the votecount was: votefinder posted:Votecount for Day 1
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May 24, 2020 21:09
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It seems like the correct townie application of that power would be to use it later in the game on a day where the town is having trouble deciding between lunching a lurker and someone else. If played well, it would effectively give the town an extra day and forego the scum night kill. The way Voodoo played it, immediately on Day 1, and before anyone really has the chance to even be a lurker, doesn't make a lot of sense.
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May 24, 2020 21:15
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Honestly I’m not opposed to taking out the people that got to pick first. We can start with voodoo. Sure we may lose some town, but scum definitely wanted to steal those power roles from town. It seems unlikely that scum submitted 1 for their numbers. I was surprised when our number choices were made public. Jmo
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May 24, 2020 21:19
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b-minus1 posted:Honestly I’m not opposed to taking out the people that got to pick first. We can start with voodoo. Sure we may lose some town, but scum definitely wanted to steal those power roles from town. It seems unlikely that scum submitted 1 for their numbers. I was surprised when our number choices were made public. Jmo
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May 24, 2020 21:23
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Man, the deadline timing really messed with me. Assuming I have a big target on my head N1, my top reads are:- scum Voodoofly Pander possible third scum wins Hal Town vibes Cidrick Dhaes That is all.
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May 24, 2020 21:34
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Even if I'm squinting it's really hard to see the voodoo pander scumbros theory. It's just too much and honestly, I can't see Voodoo just spamming the thread like that when he really didn't need to. Like, yeah poorly executed and a terrible call on his part but it seemed like he really wanted to do what he wanted to do and Pander really wasn't around for it. More than anything he's coming across as a townie who made a big mistake. Now if Pander is scum it was a huge mistake. Still scratching my head on that one, gonna read him more in-depth now that he's been around a bit. Sidenote: I am really irritated with the switch to "lunching". Like yeah, it's really good that we're not using lynching, cos that's a terrible word with a terrible history that we don't need to use. But lunching is basically just saying the same thing but now it sounds really stupid cos it doesn't mean anything. Can't we just use kicking or something similar? I'm guessing that over the years this has been debated in the community but that's my two cents.
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May 24, 2020 21:34
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Chili posted:Even if I'm squinting it's really hard to see the voodoo pander scumbros theory. It's just too much and honestly, I can't see Voodoo just spamming the thread like that when he really didn't need to. I prefer execute as a term, personally, and agree with your last paragraph yeah - I kind of feel like "lunching" feels like it started as a wink and a nudge that folks aren't REALLY saying the distasteful word, heh heh heh!
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May 24, 2020 21:36
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current reads Highwire - town maybe? Cidrick - town Dhaes - town Chili - i think hal or him or both might be scum pushing for jammy mislynch dy. - feels townie at the moment Pander - i really think he is town, mostly gut wins32767 - didn't vote but also mid day deadline was wtf so neutral Voodoofly - same as pander Keane - i think if chili is scum he is town. if chili is town it is a neutral read Hal Incandenza - same as chili b-minus1 - i still feel like he is scum, plus that draft order poo poo? i mean, come one, no way voodoo wins and keane weren't going 1,1 scum team is b-1, at least 1 of if not both chili and hal, and possible wins if the other two aren't both scum
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May 24, 2020 21:41
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Chili posted:Sidenote: I am really irritated with the switch to "lunching". Like yeah, it's really good that we're not using lynching, cos that's a terrible word with a terrible history that we don't need to use. But lunching is basically just saying the same thing but now it sounds really stupid cos it doesn't mean anything. Can't we just use kicking or something similar? I'm guessing that over the years this has been debated in the community but that's my two cents. legit i think its just phone posting and autocorrect
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May 24, 2020 21:43
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Just looked at everyone’s numbers again and I misunderstood the selection process for the draft. Hmmm
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May 24, 2020 21:44
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merk: is night going to be over once you get all actions or do we have a set time for day 2 to start
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May 24, 2020 21:47
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Dhaes posted:merk: is night going to be over once you get all actions or do we have a set time for day 2 to start When I'm with you, Dhaes, the night never ends.
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Chili posted:Even if I'm squinting it's really hard to see the voodoo pander scumbros theory. It's just too much and honestly, I can't see Voodoo just spamming the thread like that when he really didn't need to. My theory is that Voodoo generated content and cred for himself with his constant hectoring of lurking players, including focusing on Pander - it creates an antagonistic relationship between them which is conducive to future bussing if required. However, Voodoo's Lurker Hammer really cemented it for me; after pulling the trigger on the vote leader rather than Pander (and there are other players with similarly low post counts), reseting the vote count before the deadline, and taking everything off the board, then running a train on Jammy. The entire thing was a patently anti-town series of events; Voodoo could have hammered Pander and we could have lynched Spoonsy and I think we might have been far more pleased with that outcome.
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May 24, 2020 21:55
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b-minus1 posted:Just looked at everyone’s numbers again and I misunderstood the selection process for the draft. Hmmm Can you explain the thought process around your previous post about executing the top of the draft order?
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May 24, 2020 22:04
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Dhaes posted:current reads
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dy. posted:I agree with this so much that it's kind of creeping me out. My only divergence is I think Voodoo might be scum. The role PM thing seems particularly damning. i dont know if the role pm thing has anything there, i was looking back at my own posts trying to find something and there was speculation that voodoofly role was a lurker lynch which i wouldn't have posted if he had posted the role in the OP, he also doesn't have white mage in the OP i'm thinking merk added it there after it was activated just to clarify how the role worked
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