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Q_res posted:Let's say, hypothetically, someone did something really stupid and free XP'd up to the Shchors. How would one go about playing that boat? HE spam from safety. If you're asking how to play a CL I suspect you won't know what "safe" means, but that just means now is a good time to learn. Avoid shooting when the other team can shoot you is the long and short of it.
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Hiding behind islands, try to make sure juicier targets are between you and the enemy team. I sort of understand the broad strokes I guess (but not really, I suspect), how to do that and actually be effective at anything on the other hand...
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May 25, 2020 03:57
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Not sure how relevant this is to other cruisers but seemed ok enough that I bookmarked it https://imgur.com/a/5qJS5
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May 25, 2020 04:01
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Q_res posted:Let's say, hypothetically, someone did something really stupid and free XP'd up to the Shchors. How would one go about playing that boat? You've got bad armor and bad maneuverability but excellent range and a spotter plane. Use that to HE spam at long range as support. It's really not an exciting playstyle but that's about it.
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May 25, 2020 05:52
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Also Shchors can really make DD's weep with it's Russian Railguns. It even has pretty good turret angles for firing front and aft.
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May 25, 2020 06:05
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Q_res posted:Hiding behind islands, try to make sure juicier targets are between you and the enemy team. I sort of understand the broad strokes I guess (but not really, I suspect), how to do that and actually be effective at anything on the other hand... Hiding behind islands and shooting isn't really a Russian Cruiser thing because of their low flying and fast shells. You basically want to angle away and shoot while kiting the enemy. Look for enemy ships that are pushing and BBQ them. And try to stay at long range as much as possible, so you can dodge long range BB volleys as much as possible. It's not a super interesting playstyle, but it'll teach you how to kite and dodge shells. Chapayev gets more interesting because you can stealth radar with that.
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May 25, 2020 06:32
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Learn the Russian wiggle. rear end towards enemy, angled just enough to unmask your front batteries, moving at half to three quarters speed. Engage from long range. Make them do the burny burny dance until they start aiming at you; when they’re about to fire, go to full speed and turn away (or towards if you’re brave). Once you juke the shells, repeat. This is the anti BB method, by the way. Count to thirty in your head as soon as they fire, and when they’re about to die the next volley, say around 25ish, play throttle and rudder games. If things get too scary, stop shooting and disappear and wait until they point their guns at someone else to start again. Offer void when being shot at from multiple angles.
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May 25, 2020 07:29
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Meow Tse-tung posted:Not sure how relevant this is to other cruisers but seemed ok enough that I bookmarked it "This island looks like a mitten" made me smile 
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May 25, 2020 15:56
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Got the New Orleans which is a Pensacola with armour and a 10.8km detection range and the ability to murder air squadrons I love it.
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May 25, 2020 16:02
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Meow Tse-tung posted:Not sure how relevant this is to other cruisers but seemed ok enough that I bookmarked it A lot of these are good, and more importantly: funny. Bookmarked.
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serious gaylord posted:Got the New Orleans which is a Pensacola with armour and a 10.8km detection range and the ability to murder air squadrons I love it. If you like the NO I have good news for you because the Baltimore is quite similar, except it was once a pretty good T9 that was then moved down to T8 with essentially no changes to it.  Meow Tse-tung posted:Not sure how relevant this is to other cruisers but seemed ok enough that I bookmarked it These are good! They're pretty old though so some of them have been made sort of obsolete by map changes. Also, you can and should (ab)use island cover in any ship in any class. It's free real estate. Don't have to camp it, don't have to sit close to it, but line of sight blockers can always come in handy. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 17:34 on May 25, 2020 |
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May 25, 2020 17:27
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I got a 30% coupon. I was gonna use it on premium but google suggests that premium sales aren't completely unheard of, so maybe I should use it on a ship I have no idea how to play effectively? What say you, goon friends.serious gaylord posted:Its a grind but it was legit a very good ship once you get the upgraded torps. Yeah, it didn't take long to get the upgrades. It's real good. I like it. If the Akatsuki is worse I might just stop grinding this line for now (unless the Kagero makes up for it).
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TheFluff posted:If you like the NO I have good news for you because the Baltimore is quite similar, except it was once a pretty good T9 that was then moved down to T8 with essentially no changes to it. Its very nice for me because unlike the Pensacola, you can kind of get away with a major screw up in positioning because the turrets turn faster and you have armour. folgore posted:I got a 30% coupon. I was gonna use it on premium but google suggests that premium sales aren't completely unheard of, so maybe I should use it on a ship I have no idea how to play effectively? What say you, goon friends. Its not a 'worse' ship, its just you see tier 9 destroyers, all of which have better guns than you and better detection range. You need to play it differently to the Fubuki, and I didn't enjoy it as much until I learnt that. Also please remember im not a very good torpedo boat player.
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May 25, 2020 18:22
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Tier 7 is just a very rough tier for destroyers in general. A lot of things in your matchmaking bracket outspot you, will absolutely annihilate you in a gunfight, or both. Reccent changes to the matchmaker (to prioritise keeping T10s in all-T10 games whenever possible) also mean tier 7-9 matches are very common, so you'll be bottom tier in games full of radar and extremely strong gunboats very often.
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May 25, 2020 18:46
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Reading the Atlanta thing made me dig mine out, and one game a CV could just waltz through and hit me with rockets multiple times, the next I poked out to help radar a DD while a Kita was around an island, ate a torp from a Kagero and that was it. That one was on me though, I was too aggressive and didn't think a guy would push like he did, but still thought the friendly DD would have helped.
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May 25, 2020 19:40
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CitizenKain posted:That one was on me though, I was too aggressive and didn't think a guy would push like he did, but still thought the friendly DD would have helped. I bolded the funny part.
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May 25, 2020 19:48
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A Kagero sitting in the open, a Kita just around the corner. I still would have died, but goddamn, that Kagero would have been dead too.
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May 25, 2020 19:53
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The rocket planes really do need to be simply removed from the game.
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folgore posted:I got a 30% coupon. I was gonna use it on premium but google suggests that premium sales aren't completely unheard of, so maybe I should use it on a ship I have no idea how to play effectively? What say you, goon friends. If you don't have premium right now, get premium. It's the best thing you can spend money on in this game. Premium sales do exist but usually it's special deals for 180 days or something and they come around once or twice a year or so. If you don't have a bunch of doubloons already, those are also a good use for a coupon - you can get a lot of ships for doubloons in the armory and you get a 25% coupon for that for free every 6 months or something, so you can buy a discounted ship in the armory with discounted doubloons. Or you can buy premium time with them, or respec captains, or dismount special modules, or w/e. Premium time isn't that expensive tho as far as subscription games go, it's less than  a month, so if you'd rather just pay that and get a ship, that's also fine, but if you want recommendations you should let us know what you like to play and what your budget is.
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May 25, 2020 23:07
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Beginning to think i should reset all german lines for research and simply never touch any of them again. I seriously dont see the point in any single ship in the entire complete lineup anymore. The DDs are poo poo, the BBs are a joke and the cruisers are "meh" at best. The less said about the CV the better. There is not a single redeeming quality to them, or i dont see it. Is there any reason to play anything german at all? Im not even ranting, im serious, it feels like everything they do, they are outclassed by someone else in addition to being spotted from the moon by night.
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I really like German cruisers  Also you don’t get the RPs when you reset a line, you get them when you reset and then climb back up again.
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Hindenburg is still good (especially if you have the special captain on it). GK is also not as bad as people make out.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Beginning to think i should reset all german lines for research and simply never touch any of them again. Almost all German ships are real bad, yes. There are a few exceptions but overall their gimmicks are pretty dumb and not particularly useful. Like, you can make a secondary spec GK work these days but in the end you're still better off in the Montana. The Z52 is a strong contender for worst T10 DD, of course. The Hindenburg is basically a joke these days and when I play BB's I consider it almost a non-entity - it'll sit at range and spam HE that does no damage and starts few fires, and if you shoot it with any 457mm+ gun it's a citadel pinata at almost any angle and range. e: davejk posted:Hindenburg is still good (especially if you have the special captain on it). GK is also not as bad as people make out. GK is the least bad of the German T10's, at least it has a gimmick that can be made to kinda sorta work now that you don't need to take IFHE for the secondaries. 406/420mm guns are not great at T10 these days though - the Montana makes them work with accuracy but the GK doesn't really have that. I don't have a Hindenburg but as I said above, when I play BB's I consider it less of a threat than almost any other cruiser. It's got Zao levels of lovely HE DPM but without Zao's ballistics, stealth, torps, speed and fire chance, and the AP only works against broadsides. The improved HE pen really doesn't do a whole lot these days either. Its gimmick is supposed to be that it's tanky, but with all the 457mm's around it really, really isn't. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 00:18 on May 26, 2020 |
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May 26, 2020 00:09
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I liked the Konigsberg and Konig.
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Wibla posted:A lot of these are good, and more importantly: funny. Yeah there's been a lot of good info that I really appreciate, but those are pure gold.
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TheFluff posted:Almost all German ships are real bad, yes. There are a few exceptions but overall their gimmicks are pretty dumb and not particularly useful. Like, you can make a secondary spec GK work these days but in the end you're still better off in the Montana. The Z52 is a strong contender for worst T10 DD, of course. The Hindenburg is basically a joke these days and when I play BB's I consider it almost a non-entity - it'll sit at range and spam HE that does no damage and starts few fires, and if you shoot it with any 457mm+ gun it's a citadel pinata at almost any angle and range. Thats kinda what i feel these days. 457s are growing, ranges go up and RoF is through the roof. I really liked the GK for a time, but lately all i feel is despair. With the detectability (13km by air) and its own range (19 if you take the legendary which is a joke in itself) the only thing it can do is farm potential damage it seems. I literally got CV spotted at the 19:02 timestamp in an open water spawn last night, and was under constant fire until i died before i reached the closest cover because he was smart enough not to waste his planes on an attack but kept them in the air to provide sight. Really, why does it have cruiser-range on its guns? Even if you dont slot the legendary, you have to take range upgrade in slot 6 to make it competitve range-wise, which still means you dont have the reload everything else takes, combined with a very long base reload to begin with. All of this with rather unimpressive 42cm guns. I would understand the low range and low RoF if it had bigger-than-yamato guns, but theyre laughable in comparison. Sure you could *not* take the upgraded guns, but what are going to do with 40cm on a BB? Spam HE? I absolutely fail to see what i am even supposed to do in any given game that is not a roflstomp im tagging along. Hindenburg has a surface detection that not only rivals but trump some BBs. Yes its got range, but so do others that do not have 14km detectability. 6km torps are yolo at best. The 5.2km on the AA im not even talking about. If german gimmick was survivability at some point in time, thats played out. With the amount of HE spam these days it doesnt mean poo poo how much armor you theoretically have, especially if you are being spotted from across the map. Each game youre doing good with any of the T10s you probably would have done amazing in anything else. What do they bring to the table? The hydro is nice, yes. Thats basically it. Its like complimenting a girl on her shoes. Each of the 3 lines could really use a rework thats of course never going to happen since its germans in a russian game, and grudges sit deep. Which is a shame, since theyre really pretty.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Really, why does it have cruiser-range on its guns? It's got powerful secondaries and a turtleback which means it can't practically be citadeled from closer ranges, it's also got German accuracy which means the guns aren't that amazing at long range. It's also got a massive health pool. The ship is designed to push in and brawl at closer ranges. The problem is that most people don't play it like that, and the meta currently isn't very conductive towards pushing in and brawling with anything.
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Der Shovel posted:It's got powerful secondaries and a turtleback which means it can't practically be citadeled from closer ranges, it's also got German accuracy which means the guns aren't that amazing at long range. It's also got a massive health pool. I read that a long time ago and thought this would suit my prefered playstyle, thats why i chose to actually play them. Turns out its a fever dream though The powerful secondaries require immense investment to be of use and even then are more of a meme than of actual use. The massive health pool is 10% over ISN/USN and lower than Kremlin. Citadels dont mean jack poo poo when youre being HE spammed from every cruiser and DD on the map from the instant you cough until you burn to death. I absolutely WOULD like to go close and brawl, but half the time i cant get close due to the above, the other half the enemy doesnt care that im brawling him and flat pens the poo poo out of me through any angle. Still trying to find a way to enjoy this thing, but im running out of ideas.
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Der Shovel posted:The problem is that most people don't play it like that, and the meta currently isn't very conductive towards pushing in and brawling with anything. Also the Soviet battleships are better brawlers
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folgore posted:I got a 30% coupon. I was gonna use it on premium but google suggests that premium sales aren't completely unheard of, so maybe I should use it on a ship I have no idea how to play effectively? What say you, goon friends. Akatsuki isn't worse than Fubuki, you have more or less the same torpedoes but you're faster (actually makes a pretty big difference) and the guns are usable. Yolomon Wayne posted:Beginning to think i should reset all german lines for research and simply never touch any of them again. The German cruiser line is all good with the exception of the Hipper. The BBs aren't the strongest line, but they're clearly meant to be easy for newbies/bad players and they do that reasonably well (it just leads to people going into a cap four minutes in in their secondary spec kurfurst and then complaining that they only died because of HE spammers). It's just the German DD line where the tier 10 has the stats of a tier 7 ship. NTRabbit posted:Also the Soviet battleships are better brawlers no lol
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James Garfield posted:The German cruiser line is all good with the exception of the Hipper. why tho Like, sure, the Königsberg and Nürnberg are both good, but once you get to 20cm guns I really don't see why I'd want to play these things over anything else. There's just nothing they do better than any other line, other than maybe do direct HE damage vs some very specific ships. The AP DPM is good on paper but it's incredibly situational, and the tankiness is questionable at best.
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NTRabbit posted:Also the Soviet battleships are better brawlers Well I mean... They may have more main battery firepower than the Kurfürst or FdG or even Bismarck, but their armour is poo poo in comparison. They will absolutely eat massive citadels if they show broadside whereas the turtlebacked German boys are practically invulnerable to them. E: also Soviet secondaries are not good. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 11:38 on May 26, 2020 |
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TheFluff posted:why tho One thing i noticed when shooting Nürnbergs is that they tend to eat massive amounts of overpens when broadsiding a battleship, kinda like the Smolensk. Its debatable if being so fragile that AP doesnt arm counts as "tanky" though.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:One thing i noticed when shooting Nürnbergs is that they tend to eat massive amounts of overpens when broadsiding a battleship, kinda like the Smolensk. The Nürnberg is infamous for being explodey but it's a T6, all cruisers at that tier are fairly fragile and the maps are small so you can just camp islands all day long. When I talked about questionable tankiness I meant the higher tier German cruisers with turtleback, 30mm upper belt and fairly large HP pools. Those used to be pretty tanky but power creep happened.
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Der Shovel posted:Well I mean... They may have more main battery firepower than the Kurfürst or FdG or even Bismarck, but their armour is poo poo in comparison. They will absolutely eat massive citadels if they show broadside whereas the turtlebacked German boys are practically invulnerable to them. Who is showing broadsides? They have hugely better main guns, better armour, more hp, a much better damage con, the secondaries don't matter. Soviet battleships are the supreme short range battleships right now. Also FdG is not in any way invulnerable to citadels, it eats them all the time at all ranges, as well as having the problem of eating full pens everywhere else. It's just not going to do a Soyuz in a brawl unless you happen to sneak up on one at 5km broadside like a destroyer. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 12:30 on May 26, 2020 |
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At some point they'll probably have to. They can't reverse away from a charging FdG / GK, which means they'll show broadside at some point. They can't overmatch German BBs from the front either, so unless the German player fucks up they'll have the advantage. They'll have better secondaries starting fires and peppering the soviet BB in addition to the normal gunfire. I mean if we're just talking about two battleships hanging out 12km away form each other, then maybe. But that's not brawling IMO.
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GK is not appreciably worse than Montana after its accuracy buffs (if it had better turret angles I'd call it outright better). The problem is WG has sort of rendered all other battleships irrelevant by releasing Kremlin and Thunderer, which are the best at everything except sniping and at sniping, respectively.
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Been on a bit of a boat break, are submarines in yet?
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Played a few games of rankef. How am i to reliably damage a sinop using the KGV?
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Burns posted:Played a few games of rankef. How am i to reliably damage a sinop using the KGV? Use HE.
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