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Sep 26, 2019

The last line of defense of Cornette is that he knows wrestling history. But when you think about it, is that anything worth knowing? Is there anything to it beyond "a bunch of scumbags acted like scumbags"?

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Malcolm Excellent
May 20, 2007

Buglord

oh but seriously I posted:

The last line of defense of Cornette is that he knows wrestling history. But when you think about it, is that anything worth knowing? Is there anything to it beyond "a bunch of scumbags acted like scumbags"?

JR recently told the story of the Olde Tyme Wrestler that exploded bags of grain with his legs.

That's the kind of wrestling history we need taught in schools.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

oh but seriously I posted:

The last line of defense of Cornette is that he knows wrestling history. But when you think about it, is that anything worth knowing? Is there anything to it beyond "a bunch of scumbags acted like scumbags"?

The world needs to know the story about the time Wahoo MacDaniel gave a young Jim Ross speed.

JUNGLE BOY
Sep 23, 2019

STAC Goat posted:

Ok, if Cornette is saying Brodie Lee is bad then he's just betraying everything he's claimed to believe for decades. Brodie is like THE guy Cornette would create as a CAW if video games didn't probably scare him and make him angry.

jim cornette read a letter (that he or bryan last probably wrote themslves) that called brodie lee a "moves and flips" guy and he agreed with it


he also lost his poo poo about the butcher, who by all accounts would be his old school wet dream if he worked anywhere else, simply because he wears a monocle for his entrance

jim is a gimmick and i don't respect a gimmick that can't keep logical consistency

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

JUNGLE BOY posted:

jim cornette read a letter (that he or bryan last probably wrote themslves) that called brodie lee a "moves and flips" guy and he agreed with it


he also lost his poo poo about the butcher, who by all accounts would be his old school wet dream if he worked anywhere else, simply because he wears a monocle for his entrance

jim is a gimmick and i don't respect a gimmick that can't keep logical consistency

Him thinking Brodie Lee does too much and should slow down and be more of a big man sounds utterly consistent with what he and his generation would think.

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe
Every big man wrestler in AEW would get that reaction from Cornette, except maybe Hagar.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

rotinaj posted:

Every big man wrestler in AEW would get that reaction from Cornette, except maybe Hagar.

Correct, that is Jim Cornette's gimmick.

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

What was he salty about re: Butcher? If anyone in AEW is a Cornette CAW it's that dude (or I guess MJF).

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

oh but seriously I posted:

The last line of defense of Cornette is that he knows wrestling history. But when you think about it, is that anything worth knowing? Is there anything to it beyond "a bunch of scumbags acted like scumbags"?

To tell the truth, I couldn't care less about the relativity of knowledge, simply because the world does not deserve to be known.

-Emil Cioran

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

The Butcher moves through the ring with all the grace and elegance of a pickup truck. Tim Corvette has bad tastes.

Malcolm Excellent
May 20, 2007

Buglord

coconono posted:

The Butcher moves through the ring with all the grace and elegance of a pickup truck. Tim Corvette has bad tastes.

Tim Corvette is a great jobber name

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


Malcolm Excellent posted:

Tim Corvette is a great jobber name
Janela comes out in massive glasses, slicked back hair, holding a wiffle ball bat, and just starts yelling anti-Japanese slurs.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

Lamuella posted:

Janela comes out in massive glasses, slicked back hair, holding a wiffle ball bat, and just starts yelling anti-Japanese slurs.
Honestly the least talked about thing in all of is that it seems like, mixed in with all of the general stupidity and weirdness and racism, Cornette seemingly thinks that the vast majority of westerners all find Japanese women unattractive. Hence Kenny Omega bringing in Japanese women because he uniquely "has a Japanese schoolgirl fetish." Which is a wild thing to say when one of his targets is someone as conventionally "western" attractive as Shida is.

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


davidbix posted:

Honestly the least talked about thing in all of is that it seems like, mixed in with all of the general stupidity and weirdness and racism, Cornette seemingly thinks that the vast majority of westerners all find Japanese women unattractive. Hence Kenny Omega bringing in Japanese women because he uniquely "has a Japanese schoolgirl fetish." Which is a wild thing to say when one of his targets is someone as conventionally "western" attractive as Shida is.

Maybe JR should have told him about Asian porn when he told Vince.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

Lamuella posted:

Maybe JR should have told him about Asian porn when he told Vince.

Somehow I think Corny already knows about it.

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

davidbix posted:

Honestly the least talked about thing in all of is that it seems like, mixed in with all of the general stupidity and weirdness and racism, Cornette seemingly thinks that the vast majority of westerners all find Japanese women unattractive. Hence Kenny Omega bringing in Japanese women because he uniquely "has a Japanese schoolgirl fetish." Which is a wild thing to say when one of his targets is someone as conventionally "western" attractive as Shida is.

I'm pretty sure that this wasn't Cornette but its related to this: I remember seeing people trying to claim that the only reason that WWE and AEW were pushing Japanese women was to try and target anime fans; and that this was a small insignificant audience that they shouldn't bother with.

Which is silly when you look at anime conventions and the success of streaming services and stuff and you realise that not only are there probably more anime fans in the US than wrestling fans at this point; but that they are 100% more willing and able to spend more money on it.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




That's a pretty out-there reason to be pushing them, I'd imagine it would have more to do with the fact that they could generally wrestle circles around most other female wrestlers, since we aren't really that far removed from women's wrestling in the west being treated like a novelty sideshow and the wrestlers trained accordingly. Plus they all start training right out of the womb, it seems.

Sandman from ECW
Sep 6, 2011

Good god. The last thing we need in 2020 is wrestling geeks and anime nerds joining forces. I’m already starting to suspect some of you dorks are in cahoots.

fatherofmustard
May 15, 2018

Cornette probably wants more TMNT geeks in wrestling.

The Croc
Dec 19, 2004

A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird!

OH YEAH!



fatherofmustard posted:

Cornette probably wants more TMNT geeks in wrestling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGx5hiveIKI

more of this wonderful real wrestling

Sandman from ECW
Sep 6, 2011

Uh... is it just me or did they actually announce that jobbers name as “Ken Raper”?

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

Sami Callihan of all people did a great Jim Cornette cosplay. even got the southern look of disdain perfectly.

The Croc
Dec 19, 2004

A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird!

OH YEAH!



Sandman McMahon posted:

Uh... is it just me or did they actually announce that jobbers name as “Ken Raper”?

https://prowrestling.fandom.com/wiki/Ken_Raper

yes

Sandman from ECW
Sep 6, 2011

Well... that certainly sure is something.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Sandman McMahon posted:

Uh... is it just me or did they actually announce that jobbers name as “Ken Raper”?

Where I grew up, there was was place called "Tom Raper's RV"

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

History Comes Inside! posted:

That's a pretty out-there reason to be pushing them, I'd imagine it would have more to do with the fact that they could generally wrestle circles around most other female wrestlers, since we aren't really that far removed from women's wrestling in the west being treated like a novelty sideshow and the wrestlers trained accordingly. Plus they all start training right out of the womb, it seems.

I've come to the opinion that AEW is doing with joshi talent what WCW did with luchadors, basically bulking up their midcard/overall presentation with a style that's still new(ish) to a large portion of the fanbase.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

Kenny Omega said that's what they intended very early on

thatguyclint
Apr 11, 2005
See, I didn't know that...ducks eat for free at Subway.

CombineThresher posted:

I've come to the opinion that AEW is doing with joshi talent what WCW did with luchadors, basically bulking up their midcard/overall presentation with a style that's still new(ish) to a large portion of the fanbase.

Like Cavauro said, that's a stated goal, and while it's gotten a little hurt by the pandemic, having people who have still gone over and worked the style in the US has been a help. They've had to rely a little more on women who are less "polished," possibly because they've worked US indie schedules instead of full-on joshi promotion tours, but it's getting there, and I think Shida's the right one to have the belt on.

...anyway, Cornette's weird.

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Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.

The Croc posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGx5hiveIKI

more of this wonderful real wrestling

this is like someone took the very worst of truth martini and ran it through google translate 200 times

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

thatguyclint posted:

Like Cavauro said, that's a stated goal, and while it's gotten a little hurt by the pandemic, having people who have still gone over and worked the style in the US has been a help. They've had to rely a little more on women who are less "polished," possibly because they've worked US indie schedules instead of full-on joshi promotion tours, but it's getting there, and I think Shida's the right one to have the belt on.

...anyway, Cornette's weird.

Yeah, Corny refusing to understand this and projecting the shittiest possible intentions onto it are a good example of how out of touch he is with the biz. He flat out refuses to see how over Riho was/is or how talented Shida is.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

CombineThresher posted:

Yeah, Corny refusing to understand this and projecting the shittiest possible intentions onto it are a good example of how out of touch he is with the biz. He flat out refuses to see how over Riho was/is or how talented Shida is.
Also: The Jumping Bomb Angels got over after coming in completely cold in '87-'88 WWF of all places without a manager/promos or any real storyline while only ever feuding with one team. I have no idea what he knows about that because it's THAT era of WWF wrestling, but it would stand to reason that Japanese women who are properly pushed and get actual storyline advancement could get *more* over now with American fans. Like Asuka, Kairi Sane, and Io Shirai have in WWE.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008

This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

just loving disgusting.

Destroy My Sweater
Jul 24, 2009

lol what the gently caress is wrong with Jim Cornette

SatansOnion
Dec 12, 2011

it’s like hello.jpg, only for the other end

an entire subgenre of pictures the point of which is “look at how much this giant rear end in a top hat can shove inside himself”

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!
Are these all from his website?

Punch McLightning
Sep 19, 2005

you know what that means




Grimey Drawer

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Not gonna watch it which part did he hate the most

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Punch McLightning
Sep 19, 2005

you know what that means




Grimey Drawer
I'm not watching that poo poo.

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