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landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Baron von Eevl posted:

My dude put the humbucker from hell in the Tele's neck

I wanna keep the telecaster the way it is because I like the sound of all the pickups separately and even together. it’s the most useful guitar in the world for cleans. it just doesn’t have enough of The Beef for the distorted power chord beds.

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Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



I'm thinking I'd like to try something new and go from badly strumming chords on my acoustic to badly strumming chords on an electric. What's good in telecasters these days? I'd kind of like to get kitted (guitar and amp) out for under $500. The Squier Affinity looks like it could do the job.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
I've been honking on my SX Fat Tele for a month and love it

https://www.rondomusic.com/SX_Furrian_MN_Fat_Alder_BK.html

Little bit of bridge setup and it was good to go. Didn't have to touch the truss rod.

Weird BIAS
Jul 5, 2007

so... guess that's it, huh? just... don't say i didn't warn you.
You can use strategically placed resistors to make pickups look at pots differently. Check the second part of this link.


https://www.fralinpickups.com/2018/10/17/using-resistors-in-guitars-101/

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

Pham Nuwen posted:

I'm thinking I'd like to try something new and go from badly strumming chords on my acoustic to badly strumming chords on an electric. What's good in telecasters these days? I'd kind of like to get kitted (guitar and amp) out for under $500. The Squier Affinity looks like it could do the job.
If you go up to $600 you can afford a Squier Classic Vibe and a Yamaha THR5.

No cable or picks though.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

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lazerwolf posted:

Wouldn't i need to swap the 250k pot for a 500k?

I'd probably start with the 250k and see how that sounds, the hfh is apparently very bright for a hum so it might be fine and I'd be concerned with the tele bridge sounding way too brittle with 500k. If that fails you could probably swap it out for a 330k.

edit I suggested that because I loving hate the tele neck pickup personally. My aesthetic tends towards frankensteins and weirdo poo poo so I'd probably do something like fill in the rout on a strat with scrap wood and bolt a tele bridge over it, get a tele bridge, hum neck, and strat shape.

Baron von Eevl fucked around with this message at 19:48 on May 28, 2020

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Siivola posted:

If you go up to $600 you can afford a Squier Classic Vibe and a Yamaha THR5.

No cable or picks though.

I might be wrong about this but I thought the difference between the various "leagues" of squier was mainly QC if not colors/pickup changes

if the guy has a car and doesn't mind driving around to a few different stores, trying out affinity's until he finds one he likes isn't the worst idea in the world

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

lazerwolf posted:

Wouldn't i need to swap the 250k pot for a 500k?

wire a 500k resistor between the hot lead of the bridge pickup and the switch

e: with a 500k pot

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Stark Fist posted:

Try this with the harmonic minor scale

ive read through this thread and didn't see it or the explanations I saw I couldn't grasp the "so what", so forgive me for a shithead question that may have been answered, but, can someone give a 1 or 2 sentence explainer on what useful thing this would produce?

Like, what's the "a ha" moment this would lead to?

KoRMaK fucked around with this message at 00:12 on May 29, 2020

Gnumonic
Dec 11, 2005

Maybe you thought I was the Packard Goose?

KoRMaK posted:

ive read through this thread and didn't see it or the explanations I saw I couldn't grasp the "so what", so forgive me for a shithead question that may have been answered, but, can someone give a 1 or 2 sentence explainer on what useful thing this would produce?

Like, what's the "a ha" moment this would lead to?

The harmonic minor scale has a seventh degree that's raised up by one semitone (i.e. it's one fret higher than in the natural minor scale). I think that the person who said that was hinting that you'd discover that changing that one note really changes the way that the V chord works. Because the 7th degree is only one semitone/fret away from the root, and because the V chord in harmonic minor has that 7th degree as a third, it really wants to resolve up to the root. Like a i-iv-v-iv progression sounds good in natural minor but a i-iv-V-iv sounds like rear end in harmonic minor. (V-VI sounds "better" than v-VI though, I'll leave it to you to figure out why that might be the case.)

Scalloping update: After doing a really solid job on the first 4 frets, I ended up destroying an inlay on the 5th cuz I was watching DBZ instead of paying attention. Downside: Now I'm gonna have to make all these scallops super deep. Upside: The route for the fret marker actually looks pretty cool so I think I'm just gonna leave it and finish over it, and grind through all of them.

This really isn't that difficult and I feel pretty confident that I could do it flawlessly on a nicer guitar if I took my time and looked at the guitar instead of Goku while working. I might practice on another one of my cheaper guitars then grab a warmoth showcase neck and really take my time. I really want a scalloped roasted maple neck with abalone inlay and to do that I'll have to DIY it anyway.

One insight: Masking the frets is pointless. I tried two layers of masking tape, then a layer of duck tape, then two layers of duck tape, and it ends up getting pulled off by the file no matter what I do. With the amount of pressure and the technique I'm using the sides of the frets get slightly dinged, but nothing that can't be polished out in 5 seconds. I have no idea how you'd manage to gently caress up the tops of the frets unless you were using a chainsaw to do this though.

Will post some pics later tonight after I have a few more done.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

KoRMaK posted:

ive read through this thread and didn't see it or the explanations I saw I couldn't grasp the "so what", so forgive me for a shithead question that may have been answered, but, can someone give a 1 or 2 sentence explainer on what useful thing this would produce?

Like, what's the "a ha" moment this would lead to?

in the major scale, the biggest gap between consecutive notes is a whole step (two semitones)

in the harmonic minor scale, because it has a raised 7th, there is one place in the scale where that gap is 3 semitones.

this has the effect of generating some really cool sounding chords

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



That's too many words!! Im awash in words and sentences, I can't process it all!!!!!


e: oh nevermind :)

Oh ok so the harmonic Minor scale actually does have a difference in gap at some point from the major. I thought it was just another offset/overlay of the major/minor. That's a bit of a new revelation too. Thanks again yous explainers!

KoRMaK fucked around with this message at 00:57 on May 29, 2020

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

KoRMaK posted:

That's too many words!! Im awash in words and sentences, I can't process it all!!!!!


e: oh nevermind :)

Oh ok so the harmonic Minor scale actually does have a difference in gap at some point from the major. I thought it was just another offset/overlay of the major/minor. That's a bit of a new revelation too. Thanks again yous explainers!

Along with that 3 semitone gap, the harmonic minor scale has more half step (semitone) intervals than the natural minor scale. This causes a slight bit more perceived dissonance in the scale (read: it's more scary).

Here's a few good examples of harmonic minor in action (even though they're using the 5th mode of it, whatever)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBZEohCa2mA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzdDhLx6NSc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH4sRGtx9Is

Rifter17
Mar 12, 2004
123 Not It

Gnumonic posted:

Scalloping update:

I used a router bit on a dremel to do this to a bass neck I have:


When I did it, I put two straight edges to act as guides for the dremel and I could've done a better job lining things up, but eh.

And the pattern is just wood burning.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



is that loss?


ok so how do i use the major/minor, natural minor, melodic minor, and harmonic minor together? do i all base them off Major -> minor -> harmonic/melodic/natural minor?

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
Uh just depends on what mood you're going for

Major - Happy

Minor - powerful or sad

Harmonic Minor - Evil

using both major and minor together - melancholic

melodic minor - jazzy leads

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Ok so i cant like make one manum opus based on X Major, and then that automatically transposes into the melodic/harmonic/etc variants like the Major <-> minor pipeline?

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Jonny 290 posted:

I've been honking on my SX Fat Tele for a month and love it

https://www.rondomusic.com/SX_Furrian_MN_Fat_Alder_BK.html

Little bit of bridge setup and it was good to go. Didn't have to touch the truss rod.


Siivola posted:

If you go up to $600 you can afford a Squier Classic Vibe and a Yamaha THR5.

No cable or picks though.

Thanks for the suggestions! That Yamaha amp looks really cool... I'll have to do the research to decide if it's worth stretching up for the Classic Vibe vs. say the Affinity (or Bullet? hard to know how much the differences matter) or a Rondo or something, but drat if that amp isn't on my short list now.

Jonny, the Rondos look pretty neat; looking online it seems like they can sometimes have QC issues but if you get a solid one, they're supposed to be great instruments for the money. I really like the butterscotch one (https://www.rondomusic.com/SX_Furrian_MN_ALDER_BSB.html) but this semi-hollow is neat too https://www.rondomusic.com/furrianhmnvwh.html

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

The reason Squire CVs are suggested over lower priced models is that for the money you're getting amazing quality by an almost logarithmic amount. It's the difference between 'good enough' and 'inspiring to really engage' which has been my experience. The better the initial build quality and setup, regardless of features, the higher the chance it will yours.

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
The Affinity I played for a month was drat good for the money. The CV Thinline I got when I sent the Affinity back makes me excited to pick it up every day.

I'm lucky to be able to swing the $400 instrument over the $150 one and not need to sweat the difference. If you are, too, do so. If not, the Affinity is a fine and dandy option.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

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KoRMaK posted:

Ok so i cant like make one manum opus based on X Major, and then that automatically transposes into the melodic/harmonic/etc variants like the Major <-> minor pipeline?

Correct, there would have to be a key change. The good news is you are allowed to do that. Fwiw harmonic minor is helpful when you're in minor keys and want to do either a nice cadence from the dominant 7 to the root or just want a leading tone in the melody. Problem is it kinda fucks up some other chords you'd want to play; suddenly the III is augmented and what had been a VII is now a diminished chord. I think it's best kept to a passing change for a dramatic moment in a natural minor song.

Melodic minor is for jazzy poo poo and like the notes change depending on whether you're going up the scale or down. Melodic minor is best kept to "I'm going from the sixth degree to the fifth so gonna keep it flat, now I'm bouncing up to the seventh and back down again so gonna make it sharp and then flat, now I'm going back up to the root so they're both sharp." gently caress that noise, just resolve by a semitone and get wiggly with the key but definitely don't bend anything ever.

Baron von Eevl fucked around with this message at 05:27 on May 29, 2020

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer

Baron von Eevl posted:

My dude put the humbucker from hell in the Tele's neck
O that is loving awesome.

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

landgrabber posted:

I might be wrong about this but I thought the difference between the various "leagues" of squier was mainly QC if not colors/pickup changes
I choose to believe I paid for more expensive and consistent parts when I bought my CV. :retrogames:

I mean, it's probably immensely hard to gently caress up a Telecaster in the age of CNC machines but I'm sure $1 pots make a difference!!

Pham Nuwen posted:

That Yamaha amp looks really cool...
The one thing it doesn't do is get super loud. It could probably keep up with an acoustic guitar?

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

KoRMaK posted:

Ok so i cant like make one manum opus based on X Major, and then that automatically transposes into the melodic/harmonic/etc variants like the Major <-> minor pipeline?

relevant to this discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS9xQNo3FAY

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



I just saw that!!

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Pham Nuwen posted:

Thanks for the suggestions! That Yamaha amp looks really cool... I'll have to do the research to decide if it's worth stretching up for the Classic Vibe vs. say the Affinity (or Bullet? hard to know how much the differences matter) or a Rondo or something, but drat if that amp isn't on my short list now.

Jonny, the Rondos look pretty neat; looking online it seems like they can sometimes have QC issues but if you get a solid one, they're supposed to be great instruments for the money. I really like the butterscotch one (https://www.rondomusic.com/SX_Furrian_MN_ALDER_BSB.html) but this semi-hollow is neat too https://www.rondomusic.com/furrianhmnvwh.html

I got an affinity tele right as the shut down started and for $150 it's pretty great. My only beef with it is that even though it felt like it was setup pretty well when I got it I had to dance back and forth with the truss rod and the action to get the low e string to not buzz a lot. Honestly I tried a bullet out at a store and it sounded not bad but the amount of people who seemed to have tuning issues with them convinced me it was worth the extra

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

landgrabber posted:

I wanna keep the telecaster the way it is because I like the sound of all the pickups separately and even together. it’s the most useful guitar in the world for cleans. it just doesn’t have enough of The Beef for the distorted power chord beds.

Have you put in a 4 way switch with a series mode? It actually made a ton of difference for me and sounds great. It has way more growl, kind of like a Les Paul, when it's in series mode.




ewe2 posted:

The reason Squire CVs are suggested over lower priced models is that for the money you're getting amazing quality by an almost logarithmic amount. It's the difference between 'good enough' and 'inspiring to really engage' which has been my experience. The better the initial build quality and setup, regardless of features, the higher the chance it will yours.

And other than body wood and slightly better pickups, I really don't know what separates a Classic Vibe from a Vintera that it commands almost twice as much.

beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

shmups are da best come play some shmups they're cheap and good and you like them
Plaster Town Cop
My CV tele is great, even with a few hamfisted mods from the previous owner. Definitely gig-able

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

skooma512 posted:

And other than body wood and slightly better pickups, I really don't know what separates a Classic Vibe from a Vintera that it commands almost twice as much.
Mexican workers have a union. Afaik all the major parts in a Fender are made in-house in their own factories so that’s bound to hike the price up a lot.

And y'know, that cool 7 on the neck plate costs money too. :v:

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

skooma512 posted:

And other than body wood and slightly better pickups, I really don't know what separates a Classic Vibe from a Vintera that it commands almost twice as much.

Depending on the model there are some differences, I think you only get 2-point trems on the Vintera and up for instance. But you're right, I went looking and other than the brandname on the headstock, I couldn't justify it.

Of course, this hasn't stopped me from buying G&L guitars which get up into the same price range as Vinteras but I do limit myself to the Tribute range which is comparable to the CVs.

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

Two-point trems seem to be the standard for Fender strats these days, even the Player series have them.

TheTrend
Feb 4, 2005
I have a descriminating toe

Hi, I have a squire telecaster from Indonesia that I got for free. I’m thinking about getting this

https://www.rondomusic.com/Agile_AL-3100MCC_Silverburst_Wide.html

because, we’ll, it’s loving silverburst, but also, it has coil taps and humbuckers which would be nice to have in addition to the SC shitcaster. Please guide me rondos seem popular here

JHVH-1
Jun 28, 2002

TheTrend posted:

Hi, I have a squire telecaster from Indonesia that I got for free. I’m thinking about getting this

https://www.rondomusic.com/Agile_AL-3100MCC_Silverburst_Wide.html

because, we’ll, it’s loving silverburst, but also, it has coil taps and humbuckers which would be nice to have in addition to the SC shitcaster. Please guide me rondos seem popular here

That's around the same price as an Epiphone Les Paul Classic. Was the telecast humbucker model because a LP style guitar would be a whole different thing.

But you can never have too many guitars...

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Spanish Manlove posted:


using both major and minor together - melancholic

The chord progression in the second half of paranoid android :jizz: and Karma Police too

TheTrend
Feb 4, 2005
I have a descriminating toe

JHVH-1 posted:

That's around the same price as an Epiphone Les Paul Classic. Was the telecast humbucker model because a LP style guitar would be a whole different thing.

But you can never have too many guitars...

Epiphones don’t have coil taps tho

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

TheTrend posted:

Hi, I have a squire telecaster from Indonesia that I got for free. I’m thinking about getting this

https://www.rondomusic.com/Agile_AL-3100MCC_Silverburst_Wide.html

because, we’ll, it’s loving silverburst, but also, it has coil taps and humbuckers which would be nice to have in addition to the SC shitcaster. Please guide me rondos seem popular here

i bought an agile les paul about 15 year ago, incidentally in silverburst. the only major issues were the crappy stock nut and bridge, which it looks like they fixed

also they're made like old school les pauls i.e. no weight relief. all in all a pretty solid instrument that in a pinch can be used as a demolition hammer

BDA
Dec 10, 2007

Extremely grim and evil.
I had an Agile Les Paul a couple years ago and while I didn't get on with the thing ergonomically (full-depth slab body felt awkward and it was as dense as a brick) I had no complaints with the quality. Pickups sounded nice too.

WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004

Yeah I picked one up really cheap used and the mini humbuckers in it sound fantastic.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s79ZY0-NL7k&t=515s

jesus the scalloping on that guitar

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JHVH-1
Jun 28, 2002

TheTrend posted:

Epiphones don’t have coil taps tho

They have coil splitting which would add some tonal options.

I wouldn't mind having one of these purple ones https://www.epiphone.com/Guitar/EPIMIS264/Les-Paul-Classic-Worn/Worn-Purple

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