Stultus Maximus posted:

And all the replies confirm what we mostly already knew: the chuds think that antifa is a formal organization with membership, a hierarchy, planning, assets, etc etc etc. What a bunch of morons.

Stultus Maximus posted:

Also is this even a legal power that the President has?

Woofer posted:

I honestly don’t think that’s relevant.

Stultus Maximus posted:

Also is this even a legal power that the President has?

Nystral posted:

I disagree. All workers should have unions as powerful as Police and Firefighter Unions. Unions are good things, we should have more of them not less.

Stultus Maximus posted:

Also is this even a legal power that the President has?

Stultus Maximus posted:

Also is this even a legal power that the President has?

Arven posted:

Looks like it's something the State Department and or Homeland Security does with no congressional involvement, so yeah it's probably happening.

MRC48B posted:

Executive directs the Justice Department,

Seems reasonable, given the assumption the President isn't a thin-skinned sociopath using them as his personal bagmen.

All this actually means is they get a higher priority for the JD, and thus federal law enforcement adds them to the giant list of "Priority Tasking" they already juggle.

Waroduce posted:

hey so (in the state of florida) but generally, i believe you can NOT post bail using cash on your person correct? you may however post collateral if you have anything worth any value on you (that isn't broken/stolen off of you) correct?

also, You should bring your drivers license but not much else on your person as far as id and cards and stuff goes correct? to a protest?

Nystral posted:

I disagree. All workers should have unions as powerful as Police and Firefighter Unions. Unions are good things, we should have more of them not less.

pmchem posted:

you keep attributing very specific positions to me that are not what I posted. I didn’t post that people generally wanted to see their own community burn. It’s also impossible to generalize an answer.

- it may be that the people who are burning things are from outside the neighborhood/community or false flagging
- it may be spectators on the internet generally supporting destruction
- it may be that some people just don’t care and wanted to see Arby’s burn because they got a lovely sandwich there once

why don’t you just go ask coolzone and put words in people’s mouths there

this is all very terrible, sad, and horrible

Waroduce posted:

hey so (in the state of florida) but generally, i believe you can NOT post bail using cash on your person correct? you may however post collateral if you have anything worth any value on you (that isn't broken/stolen off of you) correct?

also, You should bring your drivers license but not much else on your person as far as id and cards and stuff goes correct? to a protest?

Fister Roboto posted:

Very important information:

https://twitter.com/fionerss/status/1266863891608489984

maffew buildings posted:

my immediate reaction is that poor girl is going to get so much not good attention from scumbags now and on the antifa terrorist thing, like, shouldn't the USA be an anti-fascist organization, and by declaring an anti-fascist organization terrorists effectively siding with fascists? yes, this is probably fine by the base, just saying.

Proud Christian Mom posted:

so the guy with the gladius that got shitstomped? he's exactly who you'd think he is. wasn't even his business, just a bar he liked.

https://twitter.com/HarrierMagnus/status/1266623399234863105?s=20

https://twitter.com/HarrierMagnus/status/1267038148514713606?s=20

Harry Potter on Ice posted:

Those 3 reasons are an amazing hot take on why the protests are happening. I don't know why you're so upset by cspam I generally don't like a lot of the posters there either

pmchem posted:

For example, Minneapolis police union, defying its mayor...
https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-union-offers-free-warrior-training-in-defiance-of-mayor-s-ban/509025622/

quote:

In open defiance of Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, the union that represents the city’s roughly 900 rank-and-file police officers announced that it is partnering with a national police organization to offer free “warrior-style” training for any officer who wants it.
...
Jeronimo Yanez, the former St. Anthony police officer who was later acquitted for shooting Castile, attended a two-day training course called “The Bulletproof Warrior,” which critics said trains officers to consider everyone and everything a potential threat.

Arradondo said at the time that the department doesn’t currently train officers in such techniques. It’s unclear how many officers have undergone the training in the past.

joat mon posted:

Civil law (lawsuits for money) has a kind of causation called res ipsa locuitur. It means 'the thing speaks for itself' and basically relieves a plaintiff of actually proving causation - you just have to show that a bad thing happened in a place where the defendant was in control. It's sort of a legal conclusion of 'well, who else's fault could it be?' Res ipsa locuitur does not apply in criminal cases. and for good reasons.

Lake of Methane posted:

For example, Minneapolis police union, defying its mayor...
https://www.startribune.com/minneap...-ban/509025622/

quote:

In 2007, Kroll also referred to former US Rep. Keith Ellison, who is Muslim and Black and has pushed for criminal justice reforms, as a terrorist, according to a lawsuit filed by now–Police Chief Medaria Arradondo alleging racism within the police department. The lawsuit accused Kroll of wearing a motorcycle jacket with a white-power patch sewed into the fabric, and said he had “a history of discriminatory attitudes and conduct.” He has told reporters he was part of the City Heat motorcycle club, some of whose members have been described by the Anti-Defamation League as displaying white supremacist symbols. Kroll did not respond to a request for comment but has denied the allegations in the past.

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In December, a couple of months after Lt. Bob Kroll, the head of the Minneapolis police union, stood onstage with President Donald Trump at a campaign rally and praised the “wonderful president” for “everything he’s done for law enforcement,” he received a short Facebook message from a disgruntled city resident: “Nazi piece of poo poo,” the man wrote to him.

Kroll fired off a reply, pointing out his family’s record as defenders of the Allied forces during both World Wars, and then launching into a series of insults: “Keep spewing uniformed [sic] poo poo from your computer in your moms [sic] basement, loser,” he wrote to the man, according to a report by the Minneapolis City Pages, a local newspaper. “If you hate me so much, why don’t you stop by and beat the poo poo out of me?…My bet is it won’t happen, because you are a cowardly oval office.”

It might not have been the response you’d expect from a public official who represents 800-plus rank-and-file police officers. But Kroll, who has led the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis for five years, has a reputation for inflammatory remarks. Now, his brash leadership and influence over the police department’s culture are in the spotlight amid protests over police violence in the city after George Floyd’s death at the hands of a white officer on Monday.

“Now is not the time to rush to judgment and immediately condemn our officers,” Kroll said about Floyd’s death.
As Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey calls for reform and the district attorney files criminal charges against the officer, Derek Chauvin, activists are demanding changes to a department they say has long been plagued by racism and misconduct. Kroll, who has been accused of using excessive force and making racist remarks in the past, is standing behind his colleague as the public backlash mounts. “Now is not the time to rush to judgment and immediately condemn our officers,” he said on Tuesday, before the department fired Chauvin and three other officers who did not intervene in Floyd’s death.

The Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis union became powerful in the 1970s, after one of its former leaders, Charles Stenvig, was elected mayor. Kroll became president of the union in 2015. Today, protesters and other activists in the city say the union, not the police chief, holds the most sway over officers and their behavior on patrol. “The only authority they respect is Police Federation President Bob Kroll,” Tana Hargest, a Minneapolis-based artist and activist, tweeted a day after Floyd’s death. “[T]here’s nothing our elected representatives can or will do to bring them to heel.”

Through a series of controversies over the years, Kroll has been a staunch defender of the police. In 2015, after two white officers shot 24-year-old Jamar Clark in the head, Kroll spoke on television about Clark’s “violent” criminal history; later, when the officers were cleared of wrongdoing, he referred to Black Lives Matter as a “terrorist organization,” according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

In 2007, Kroll also referred to former US Rep. Keith Ellison, who is Muslim and Black and has pushed for criminal justice reforms, as a terrorist, according to a lawsuit filed by now–Police Chief Medaria Arradondo alleging racism within the police department. The lawsuit accused Kroll of wearing a motorcycle jacket with a white-power patch sewed into the fabric, and said he had “a history of discriminatory attitudes and conduct.” He has told reporters he was part of the City Heat motorcycle club, some of whose members have been described by the Anti-Defamation League as displaying white supremacist symbols. Kroll did not respond to a request for comment but has denied the allegations in the past.

A year after Clark’s death, in 2016, Kroll again showed his disdain for protests about racial inequality. That December, four off-duty officers walked off their job working security at the Lynx basketball game after the players denounced racial profiling at a press conference and wore Black Lives Matter warmup jerseys before the game. “I commend them for it,” Kroll said of the officers.

Kroll joined the Minneapolis police department back in 1989. According to a Star Tribune investigation, he has been the subject of at least 20 internal-affairs complaints during his three decades there, though all but three were closed without discipline. As a young officer in 1994, he was suspended for five days for excessive force, according to a report by City Pages, but that decision was later reversed by the police chief. The next year, he fought a lawsuit that accused him of “beating, choking and kicking” a biracial 15-year-old boy while saying racial slurs, the St. Paul Pioneer Press reported, but a federal jury cleared him of wrongdoing. In 2003, the department demoted him for three months for “code of ethics” violations.

One of the most egregious allegations took place in 2004, while Kroll was off-duty. Kroll and another officer were accused of beating a man whose backpack bumped against their car while walking out of a bar on a Friday night; when the man’s friends came to help, the officers allegedly punched and kicked them. The Civilian Review Authority, a board that investigates complaints against Minneapolis police officers, sustained the complaint against Kroll. He was suspended for 20 days. “How can he even still be on the force with behavior like this?” the assaulted man’s father told City Pages. Kroll denied wrongdoing and said the man’s friends attacked them.

Wasabi the J posted:

The smooth brains all keep posting the same three pics of antifascist flags being held in Turkey and Syria.

Nick Soapdish posted:

https://twitter.com/jkass99/status/1267149072864956417?s=20

Bored As gently caress posted:

Hey guys, I know you all hate police, but this is good poo poo

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1266895422397779968?s=19
https://twitter.com/HAlex1972/status/1266925954720501761?s=19
https://twitter.com/NHRunningLady/status/1266931730428166144?s=19
https://twitter.com/MsTinkKalua/status/1266939223711428610?s=19

I really really hope this is a sign of things to come. Police need to start actually policing their own ranks. Good Chiefs need to kick out the racists and bad cops. DAs need to start charging cops when its clear excessive force. Bad cops need to get fired more. And not reinstated cuz of a lawsuit. Laws need to change at the state and federal level. Federally mandated standards, DOJ oversight and mandatory use of force reporting down to the "gently put your hands on them to cuff them" level.

This is a good first step in some communities. I really hope this spreads. And I really hope this is a sign of things to come. This poo poo has never happened before. It is really good. But it's not enough - it has to continue.

Nick Soapdish posted:

https://twitter.com/jkass99/status/1267149072864956417?s=20

Bored As gently caress posted:

Jeez look at these Nazis, am i right guys?

Lake of Methane posted:

Bored As gently caress posted:

https://twitter.com/NHRunningLady/status/1266931730428166144?s=19

hobbesmaster posted:

So I understand the picture right, is that a picture of a US supported group in Syria?

Nick Soapdish posted:

https://twitter.com/jkass99/status/1267149072864956417?s=20