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Omegamon is also the ultimate Ultimate form of Adventure's protagonist and his rival's partner Digimon, so it's apples and oranges in Adventure canon when contrasting Omegamon with Seraphimon who is yet another Ultimate evolution of a partner's Digimon who isn't Agumon/Gabumon. Patamon's Adventure evolution line is supposed to be very strong, but nowhere near Omegamon's strength. And yeah, Patamon's various evolution lines have been nothing but the biggest jobbers outside of Adventure, which never helps.
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I'm just sick of the whole "Patamon is even more special than the specialness implied to him by canon" notion when a lot of his most impressive feats have caveats like he was using the power of the whole team, or the fact that he has a damage bonus against certain kinds of enemies. It contributes to this notion that the series is mistreating him when he struggles because his +Holy Damage doesn't work on a giant bug or Seraphimon isn't portrayed like the coolest and most powerful member of the team.
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We all know that power levels mean nothing in this franchise. Every series has their ultimate form be the best thing ever until a new enemy comes along and clowns all over it. Many Digimon are established as “really strong” but that power relative to others is rarely consistent. Especially when they establish them as part of some group like the Royal Knights, Celestials, Four Gods, Demon Lords, Olympus XII. We have no idea how members of those groups stack up to each other because they all keep getting hyped as the apex of whatever writing they’re in. We’re not even touching characters who are retroactively added to these groups. They’re all super powerful and important. At least, as long as they don’t enter a plot. Then all that takes a nosedive. Whether happen to be enemies or allies to the current protagonists, their grandiose lore evaporates and most become glorified goons or helpless victims whenever the plot demands. Outside of maybe one or two who act as the main villain. All it so our heroes can look better beating and/or saving them. We just single out Seraphimon because being “powerful guy who gets beaten down to hype current villain” is all they ever use him for. Leomon at least gets a couple of fights to show him as strong and noble before his inevitable tragic death. Seraphimon skips all that just to get flattened by whoever they feel like today.
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Patamon's line had an amazing run in NJPW/Adventure, but then he went to NXT/02 and the downplayed him, and the following 20 years on WWE had him job so bad, all his pushes were squandered. His little run in the indies/Tri went pretty well, but he's past his prime so no title run or anything.
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You'd think that'd be great set-up for a heel turn, wouldn't you? Push him over by having him take down faces he'd jobbed for before.
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Adventure: may still be on break but at least YabuTen gives us something about it with a small peek of the upcoming V-Tamer/Adventure: crossover. https://twitter.com/YABU_Ten/status/1257787806883037185
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Finished my re-watch of Digimon Savers. Pretty good and highly entertaining and all, but man, the last arc of the series is not great at all. The show just tries to do too much towards the end and it feels like there's no focus between the Royal Knights (who have zero development or significance whatsoever besides Craniummon, who is actually really cool), Yggdrasil, Masaru's whole deal with his dad, etc. Kind of weird because Savers has a strong focus before then. I feel like the staff wanted to do a Tamers-style last arc where humans and Digimon need to work together to save both worlds while confronting the mistakes humanity made, but it just doesn't come together and feels so sloppy. The ending is trash too. I'm really not a fan of how Yggdrasil is like "Uh yeah, I guess you're right, see ya" with no further reasoning after Masaru punches it. Agumon Burst Mode straight up sucks hard too. I have no clue why they didn't do a surprise jogress burst form or something genuinely cool to take down Yggdrasil in the final episode. Masaru's dad coming back from the dead is the lamest thing. Savers kind of has a huge problem with little to no lasting consequences for its characters (unlike Adventure and Tamers especially), but the ending is the worst of it. Savers is still my third favorite Digimon series, but it's a far third after Tamers first and Adventure as my second favorite and definitely doesn't hold up as well compared to watching it years and years ago the first time. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 04:11 on May 14, 2020 |
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Digimon peaked when they defeated a virus by DDOSing it with spam. Everything that came before and after it pales in comparison.
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lezard_valeth posted:Digimon peaked when they defeated a virus by DDOSing it with spam. Everything that came before and after it pales in comparison. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 08:38 on May 20, 2020 |
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lezard_valeth posted:Digimon peaked when they defeated a virus by DDOSing it with spam. Everything that came before and after it pales in comparison. That and Tamers’ finale was one of the very few times that the writers solved a problem by remembering that these are “Digital” monsters. This one gets even more points by weaponizing the hopes and prayers of children in a way that isn’t cliche.
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Geostomp posted:This one gets even more points by weaponizing the hopes and prayers of children in a way that isn’t cliche. It's great because it does both within 30 seconds of each other. First it's the cliche hope and prayers that allows Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon to digivolve. Then it's the non cliche weaponization of it to lag Diaboromon.
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It's V-Jump time, folks. Lots of stuff: https://twitter.com/WithTheWill/status/1262975914775699456 Unfortunately, still no Survive news. A new series of v-pets, the Z series is announced. Looks like they'll be using the pendulum shells so that's neat. I enjoyed the X series so I'm glad they're still gonna do more. Sleeping Sigma fucked around with this message at 20:45 on May 20, 2020 |
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Omegamon slowly turning into the Charizard of Digimon
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Is there some big thing going with V tamer anniversary wise or is it all just tying into Adventure :?
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lezard_valeth posted:Omegamon slowly turning into the Charizard of Digimon It’s flat out the other way around. There are, what, at least six different Omegamon versions? ConanThe3rd posted:Is there some big thing going with V tamer anniversary wise or is it all just tying into Adventure :? It’s not an anniversary but V Tamer’s been getting a lot of focus. There’s new V Tamer cards in the new tcg, there’s a V Tamer crossover with the new show, and Arcadiamon was a big plot point in Hacker’s Memory.
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ConanThe3rd posted:Is there some big thing going with V tamer anniversary wise or is it all just tying into Adventure :? I think it's just Adventure: propaganda but they got YabuTen to help so it became V-Tamer nostalgia as well. Which is fine, I reread V-Tamer recently and it's still super good. thetoughestbean posted:It’s flat out the other way around. There are, what, at least six different Omegamon versions? Enough to have their own page.
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It's not even like they're that aggressive with pushing him. Like all the new Charizard forms and such stick out because they're usually in the marketing for the games or whatever. The new Omegamons are usually hanging out in the background getting added in while no one is paying attention
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I wouldn't say that. Alter-S was essentially created for the Pendulum 20th, and Alter-B was the final boss of a major video game release for the franchise. Chaosmon was the ultimate Digimon of the Accelerator series, leaving Zwart as the only one that premiered to relatively little fanfare. A thing you have to remember, Digimon is more than just an anime franchise. The US side of it can make things skewed but virtual pet releases and games are still important to the fanbase in Japan.
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Nodosaur posted:I wouldn't say that. Alter-S was essentially created for the Pendulum 20th, and Alter-B was the final boss of a major video game release for the franchise. Chaosmon was the ultimate Digimon of the Accelerator series, leaving Zwart as the only one that premiered to relatively little fanfare. Alter-B was also released alongside Zwart D, who got a lot of focus on the trailers for Next Order, while Alter-B was a surprise final boss, giving you a 2x1 Omegamon punch. And of course, Merciful Mode was introduced at the end of Tri specifically because Toei wanted another Omegamon, that's just the sheer selling power Omegamon has. Also, probably important on that point: Omegamon is the single most liked Digimon in the franchise, as of the last popularity poll. That's something Charizard cannot say for Pokemon, since Greninja is actually #1 there.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Also, probably important on that point: Omegamon is the single most liked Digimon in the franchise, as of the last popularity poll. That's something Charizard cannot say for Pokemon, since Greninja is actually #1 there. Charizard was first in a Reddit poll, and I think if you asked most people once would probably win just because the deeper into generations you go, the more and more people you lose people. Lots of people who were fans of Pokémon at some point around 2000 still don’t know what Greninja is.
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Ah yes, a reddit poll.
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Craptacular! posted:Lots of people who were fans of Pokémon at some point around 2000 still don’t know what Greninja is.
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I remember Rayquaza was #1 for a period too, it got a special promo version for being #1
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so ReArise added a new interesting line for Qinglongmon; Elecmon(Virus)-> Tuskmon-> Triceramon-> Qinglongmon what makes this really interesting is a couple things; A) it's literally the third thing ever that Elecmon(Virus) has been included in, B) it's basically the first thing Tuskmon has been used in at all since like 2002(not counting V-Pets that is), C) it's basically combining together both an old line from the old TCG(Elecmon to Tuskmon to Triceramon) with the more recent thing Tri did when they revealed that Qinglongmon evolved from a Triceramon
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That's a good line. Personally I like Dracomon > Airdramon > Majiramon > Qinglongmon for the old dragon dude.
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Digimon is returning to the airwaves next week, starting with episode 1. we should get new episodes soon.
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This is cute art! https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1267290465641984001 https://twitter.com/Wikimon_news/status/1267307126197751808
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Blaze Dragon posted:This is cute art! TA’s gonna get the snot beat out of him...
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thetoughestbean posted:TA’s gonna get the snot beat out of him... Nah, he'll donate it to Aurumon at Archive Island.
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Blaze Dragon posted:This is cute art! This is really cute!! 
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thetoughestbean posted:TA’s gonna get the snot beat out of him... Moumentai.
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We got a new video showcasing what's to come in Adventure: It's a recap but it also has quite a lot of new stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_jH32BttXA Important stuff in it: -Everyone gets their Mega. They aren't locked to Tri! -The children have to cross the seas/ocean/whatever to get to a tall mountain where they'll meet "the sacred Digimon of Hope and Light that fought alongside the warriors" (rough translation from my part), almost definitely Patamon and Tailmon. Since said warriors are the Megas from the rest, and we know Agumon and Patamon fought in a war in the past thanks to their character profiles, it stands to reason that every Digimon was a Mega in some big war in the ancient Digital World and were reborn in their current forms, which is brand-new backstory. -Ogremon and Devimon are back.
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That’s a big step up from their OG backstory of being made in a lab by the legion of identical young-Gennais. They never did explain where the 02 kid’s partners came from, did they?
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God, this show is so cool
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Geostomp posted:That’s a big step up from their OG backstory of being made in a lab by the legion of identical young-Gennais. No, they did. Vaguely and lamely, but they did. In one of his exposition dumps Gennai said when the Digimon Kaiser started Digimon Kaisering they ran out, found some digimon that could armor evolve, and set them up to be found and become partners. He also says it's nothing but complete dumb luck that Tailmon and Patamon were also Armor compatible. Now every single other 02 Chosen from around the world? Not so much. Especially since it's mentioned vaguely in passing a lot of them got their partners in 2001, but absolutely no reason at all is given for what happened then to make it happen (and no clever folks, it wasn't the D1 Tournament since that was like a week after Our War Game).
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Omnicrom posted:No, they did. Vaguely and lamely, but they did. In one of his exposition dumps Gennai said when the Digimon Kaiser started Digimon Kaisering they ran out, found some digimon that could armor evolve, and set them up to be found and become partners. He also says it's nothing but complete dumb luck that Tailmon and Patamon were also Armor compatible. 9/11 maybe, Lord knows that was probably like throwing an atom bomb onto the internet and probably had ripples to the Digital World as well, and depending on how much Gennai might have had involvement in the process might have pushed forward sending all the International Chosen Children their partner Digimon as a precautionary measure
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Okay so Apocalymon is almost assured as the main big bad now
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Burkion posted:Okay so Apocalymon is almost assured as the main big bad now Presumably they'll do a better job of foreshadowing him this time around Also since it seems like Patamon and Tailmon aren't going to show up till a fair bit later in the show, makes me wonder how they'll handle Devimon without Angemon
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