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Mr. Humalong posted:I will know for sure Steak is scum by the time he starts claiming and twirling his mustache around day 2 or 3. In my first game ever with him he fakeclaimed gunsmith as vanilla town and rode it out for like four game days with fake results.
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Tom Tucker posted:All this meta poo poo really has me riled - person acts scummy, person is likely to be scum, that's it. If a person is always acting scummy then they need to learn to play better, the town doesn't need to coddle them, because then they just get free reign all the time. loving. Yuck.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:16
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merk posted:In my first game ever with him he fakeclaimed gunsmith as vanilla town and rode it out for like four game days with fake results. Yeah it becomes super obvious when he starts winking at the camera and taunting the scum team that he's lying about whatever he's claiming. When he's telling the truth he gets out all the important info within 1-2 posts and then doesn't talk about it any more.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:17
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I’m here to win this game, not improve the overall mafia community to maybe net myself more wins later. I used to try that with people like Varinn and Dhaes. They won’t change. Play to the people in the room and find a way to win.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:17
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Tom Tucker posted:All this meta poo poo really has me riled - person acts scummy, person is likely to be scum, that's it. If a person is always acting scummy then they need to learn to play better, the town doesn't need to coddle them, because then they just get free reign all the time. Acting scummy on day 1 is how you survive to day 2 without getting night killed get off ya high horse.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:18
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Case against Spoonsy is basically Spoonsy posted:I was dumb this morning about someone wondering about multiple scum groups (which I still think merits discussion) and a fake N0 cop? (Yes I know my bad) Which isn't nothing I guess, but I don't see how it's scummy enough to be top votes right now.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:18
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Tom Tucker posted:All this meta poo poo really has me riled - person acts scummy, person is likely to be scum, that's it. If a person is always acting scummy then they need to learn to play better, the town doesn't need to coddle them, because then they just get free reign all the time. Ok so make a case on them and people will decide jesus loving christ
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Jun 1, 2020 19:18
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Sub Rosa posted:Case against Spoonsy is basically It's not 
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Jun 1, 2020 19:19
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Spoonsy posted:I’m on mobile but does the OP say anything about N0 actions? Either way, between that and this statement of two scum groups (which once again, mobile, but has anyone else brought up?), I feel comfortable in ##vote Humalong Ok. ##vote spoonsy
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Jun 1, 2020 19:20
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I REALLY want b- to be right though so I’d flip to PQ in a heartbeat.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:20
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Sub Rosa posted:Case against Spoonsy is basically Spoonsy took the obviously fake n0 cop claim at face value, used it to pursue a push on me, then tried to backpedal away from it while simultaneously claiming I'm still scum because I'm positive there's most likely two scum teams in a game with 26 people. Jeabus has now, oddly, latched onto this as well after posting a list of "reads" that said loving nothing about anyone except merk, Squiggly, and me.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:20
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Votecount for Day 1  Spoonsy (5): LordNad, Mr. Steak (3): Scientastic, Pussy Quipped (2): b-minus1, Mr. Steak, Mr. Humalong (2): CapitalistPig, Spoonsy, CapnAndy (2): Scientastic, Pussy Quipped, CapitalistPig, Sub Rosa, Maigius (2): xopods, Scientastic, Sandwolf (1): Scientastic, Scientastic (1): Voodoofly, Nep-Nep (1): hambeet Jose Valasquez (1): CapnAndy, Mr. Steak, Jose Valasquez, dmboogie (1): Nep-Nep, Jose Valasquez, xopods (1): SalTheBard, CapnAndy, Jeabus Mahogany (0): Mr. Steak, CapitalistPig (0): dmboogie, Mr. Humalong, Sub Rosa (0): Sandwolf, Tom Tucker (0): Voodoofly, Squiggly (0): Voodoofly, merk (0): Sub Rosa, Voodoofly (0): Spoonsy, Not Voting (4): CapnAndy, Maigius, MisterJed, Nep-NepWith 26 alive, it's 14 votes to execute. The current deadline is June 01st, 2020 at 6 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 3 hours, 38 minutes.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:21
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We have less than 4 hours until deadline and 4 people not voting at all.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:22
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merk posted:Scientastic’s confidence in early d1 cases feels off. this was also a thing last game, by the way, where sci was scum
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Jun 1, 2020 19:22
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Also a LOT of joke phase votes still sitting around.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:22
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CPig, Nep-Nep, and PQ will all be modkilled at the end of the day unless they show up and make one more post so watch and see which of them does it in the most scummy way!
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Jun 1, 2020 19:24
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Mr. Humalong posted:CPig, Nep-Nep, and PQ will all be modkilled at the end of the day unless they show up and make one more post so watch and see which of them does it in the most scummy way! Sal, not Nep-Nep. Nep managed to fart out 10 posts today.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:25
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Mr. Humalong posted:Also a LOT of joke phase votes still sitting around. Squiggly posted:I too am ready for the last second bandwagon and then switch to a 1 vote player when everyone gets cold feet
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Jun 1, 2020 19:25
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merk posted:I’m here to win this game, not improve the overall mafia community to maybe net myself more wins later. I used to try that with people like Varinn and Dhaes. They won’t change. Play to the people in the room and find a way to win. You're missing the point. I don't care about other games - how are we supposed to find scum if we can't vote for someone in this game for being scummy? I really don't get it. There's so much "he acted like this in this game and he was scum" and "well he posted this in another game and he was town" - tabula rasa people, I've never seen this kind of meta stuff work and the last time I saw it was in the good place with scum doing a gentle day 1 bus on a scumbuddy which got roundly dunked on as it should.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:26
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Mr. Humalong posted:We have less than 4 hours until deadline and 4 people not voting at all. I mean, we're just gonna let this slide? Really? dmboogie posted:##vote spoonsy
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Jun 1, 2020 19:27
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Tom Tucker posted:You're missing the point. I don't care about other games - how are we supposed to find scum if we can't vote for someone in this game for being scummy? Are you seriously trying to argue that meta isn't a thing
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Jun 1, 2020 19:27
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Sandwolf posted:I will never understand why people are so willing to give Steak a pass for saying and doing scummy things because he “posts ridiculously and scummy.” idk what to tell you, besides entirely uncomfortable facts about myself. such as: i'm just posting how i post. and i'm way way WAY more comfortable playing as scum than town. i know that's backwards, but i rolled scum so frequently in my first 25 or so games, and living significantly longer on average when i scum too, so it just feels a lot more natural. but yeah, thats not an argument. just a reply i guess
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Jun 1, 2020 19:29
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omg. *uncomformable! not uncomfortable. lol
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Jun 1, 2020 19:29
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I suppose I should put my money where my mouth is ##vote dmboogie
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Jun 1, 2020 19:29
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ughh *confirm, not conform
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Jun 1, 2020 19:30
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I don't see anything out of the ordinary for boogie.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:32
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I just reread his entire post history and it looks like the usual boogie style.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:32
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merk posted:In my first game ever with him he fakeclaimed gunsmith as vanilla town and rode it out for like four game days with fake results. i CANT believe you are glossing over the fact that i was a survivor, it was ELEVEN days, and i WON
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Jun 1, 2020 19:34
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(with town, btw)
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Mr. Humalong posted:I just reread his entire post history and it looks like the usual boogie style. It's my first game with the guy admittedly but I do not like this style so far, it's worthless white noise.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:35
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Mr. Humalong posted:Acting scummy on day 1 is how you survive to day 2 without getting night killed get off ya high horse. I know I'm a newbie but "being scummy is a town move, actually" seems pretty loving weird
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Jun 1, 2020 19:36
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Mr. Humalong posted:I'm positive there's most likely two scum teams in a game with 26 people. Yeah that's a pretty scum thing to be so sure on when it's day 1 with no info you only seeing like three people in your scumdoc, Hum?
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Jun 1, 2020 19:36
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CapnAndy posted:Which makes it acceptable behavior because _________? if we had lights out executions I'd be fine with getting rid of white noise posters on day 1 but we don't, so I'd rather look at people who have posted genuinely scummy things instead of things that just annoy people because they're not long-winded essays
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Jun 1, 2020 19:36
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Going to agree with others, ##vote Mr. Steak
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Jun 1, 2020 19:37
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Mr. Humalong posted:Acting scummy on day 1 is how you survive to day 2 without getting night killed get off ya high horse. this is largely why i dont care to change my play. (besides that it's not actually harmful to town and im decent as scumhunting so gently caress you). i've only been nightkilled in 1 mafia game *ever*
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Jun 1, 2020 19:37
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Jun 1, 2020 19:37
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Jeabus Mahogany posted:Yeah that's a pretty scum thing to be so sure on when it's day 1 with no info with this many players a multiball setup is entirely within the realm of possibility and you latching onto this despite having multiple other pages of material to work off of to find scum makes you look extremely scummy
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Jun 1, 2020 19:38
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Sub Rosa posted:I know I'm a newbie but "being scummy is a town move, actually" seems pretty loving weird you'll learn, don't worry
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Mr. Humalong posted:with this many players a multiball setup is entirely within the realm of possibility and you latching onto this despite having multiple other pages of material to work off of to find scum makes you look extremely scummy lol nice omgus
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Some of my primary scumtells on Steak: 1) encouraging people to push other people more, without really weighing in on the case itself: Mr. Steak posted:dude, what are you even trying to get at here? you think andy is legit scum and so is pq...? Mr. Steak posted:what do you think about voodoofly? 2) response to Spoonsy: Mr. Steak posted:wait, is spoonsy actually taking cpig's cop claim seriously...?? lmfaooo (then votes Spoonsy). Opportunistic, dismissive, tonally it implies scumminess without stating it. Subtle way of saying "this is so scummy I don't even need to explain why" to avoid actually explaining why using his trademark "lmfao" 3) zero content spam (not gonna quote all this it's everywhere) 4) re-purposing language to hide behind in order to start a wifom chain around the launch leader Jose Valasquez posted:This is it folks, this is the lazy scum "jump on the bandwagon" vote Mr. Steak posted:this is it folks, the scumbro trying to stop the bandwagon from gaining momentum 5) taking absurd claim at face value Mr. Steak posted:thats a cool ability. i'll vote you for that ##vote squiggs 6) railroading by stating what a vote candidate would have to do to not look scummy, thus putting them in a lose-lose, if Spoonsy comes back and participates (which he would as town) it makes it look like it's in response to Steak's threat Mr. Steak posted:but yeah in serious talk, spoonsy you need to come back with some real good, like, genuine scumhunting soon or im basically gonna think you totally fumbled as scum and are too bashful to try recovering 7) massive tonal shift in content after being voted for, starting here. Then a second massive tonal shift in content after momentum builds: Sandwolf posted:That’s a very persuasive case on Steak, I think Mr. Steak posted:it is???? lmao 8) Meta defenses - when I'm town I talk like this, but when I'm scum I walk like this! Steak, despite tons of posting, has had extremely low content. He constantly injects dismissive exclamations into his posts, yet then 180s into seriously responding to people who talk about him, then performative "lmao" at people talking about him, then back to serious when it's about him. His "case" on Spoonsy is never made, merely "lmao"d as if it were a fact, then he further railroads Spoonsy by boxing him in with a "if you're town do this" when it is what any town WOULD do, putting Spoonsy in a no-win scenario. His reaction to Squigg's claim was too immediate and too trusting, and felt like scum looking to get in early on what they would assume was a pro-town roleclaim support. His early-game drivebys of "what do you think about X?" and effective "tell me mores" on other cases pushes them without him actually going on the record with anything. It's a long and dreary list of scum tells wrapped in a performative air of cavalier confidence and dismissiveness with hard detours into serious conversation whenever people point out how scummy he is. Vote for Steak.
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