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yum posted:I love this and the theme of ignorance vs suffering is also personified by Aki. He's shown to be a good and emphatic person with a strong sense of justice and he's also beginning to question Makima's intentions. Due to his nature, I don't think he will choose to remain ignorant like Kishibe. And he's going to suffer for it, big time. You're leaving out most of his lifespan in the Katana arc and two more months in Bomb. Aki's life is suffering.
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Aki's not gonna live to see the end of this wild ride, is he? 
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Jun 5, 2020 04:58
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it would be weirdly appropriate if he was the last man standing.
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NickRoweFillea posted:The section at the beginning when he talks about how long it took for him to begin to cope with the pain was very vivid. The man can draw some violence The depiction of the guy constantly being in hellish discomfort was genuinely uncomfortable to read. There was this one scene where he was up all night and a character (I think the film buff one?) was talking to him and he mentioned it distracting from the pain. Media frequently has characters who experience non-stop pain develop a mental "resistance" to it, even though it totally doesn't work that way at all (if anything it's the opposite), so it was interesting seeing something different.
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Jun 5, 2020 06:24
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agni spends most of the manga perceiving the world as a perplexing fever dream due to the constant agonizing pain. it's just that all of that was actually real, and the world was that strange.
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Ytlaya posted:The depiction of the guy constantly being in hellish discomfort was genuinely uncomfortable to read. There was this one scene where he was up all night and a character (I think the film buff one?) was talking to him and he mentioned it distracting from the pain. I think the thing that bothered me the most wasn't that, it was what happened to the senile guy who first set him on fire and his family or whatever.
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chiasaur11 posted:Yeah, it's a running theme of this little arc. I didn't catch of all that, thanks for posting. That's fantastic.  This manga is surprisingly deep for how stupid/insane it is.
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Jun 5, 2020 08:37
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Cool, just powered through the whole of fire punch What the gently caress
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Jun 5, 2020 09:32
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We should ban all anime and manga from ending with a giant tree. Trees are no longer tolerated.
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chiasaur11 posted:You're leaving out most of his lifespan in the Katana arc and two more months in Bomb.  those were pretty big too. I mainly remember all his old work pals getting annihilated by Bomb in that warehouse https://imgur.com/a/OXYhfAF Speedscan
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Jun 5, 2020 14:34
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I love this terrible family a whole lot.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:41
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Oh wow. Aki has really changed. Feels like we're going to lose him.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:42
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I love this terrible family a whole lot. This. Aki is the best terrible dad, Denji is the best dumb big bro, and Powy is a good gurl. I love them all
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Good god this chapter... How the hell did these chucklefucks manage to become this sweet?So is anyone else thinking that Aki was placed with Denji and Power by Makima because she hoped that they would bond or something? Make Aki more human I guess. Different spoiler So Aki is dad. Denji and Power are kids. Kishibe is the good uncle. What role does Makima have? Seductive woman that good dad has to scare off?
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Jun 5, 2020 15:18
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Matriarch Grandmother controlling the family quietly, and will outlive yet another generation.
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Jun 5, 2020 16:03
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Oh no it's too happy I'm scared
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Thoren posted:We should ban all anime and manga from ending with a giant tree. Trees are no longer tolerated. SyntheticPolygon posted:I love this terrible family a whole lot. 
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It's nice Power's mostly back to normal.
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Sindai posted:Oh no it's too happy I'm scared Especially since Aki's going against Makima's wishes. He might be able to quit with her just being a bit disappointed. Power might be able to be put on another assignment. But Denji? Denji is Makima's favorite. She's not going forward on this one without him, and previous attempts to remove him from her grasp have gone... badly. Makima might like Aki enough that this isn't going to end with her murdering him or setting up his death (although that would be hilarious for future...), but Denji's got to try and kill Gun, one way or another. And Aki's not going to be allowed to stop that.
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I read Fire Punch because of this thread. What What the hell That is the most insane, pathetic and, honestly, terrifying protagonist I've seen, holy poo poo Really, the final confrontation being between the fully villanous Fire Punch and the zealous San feels quite appropriate. Still feels like the story really lost some of its appeal when Togota died. I really hope Denji stays on the path of being a perfect good-hearted Nobel prize winner forever
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Elfface posted:Matriarch Grandmother controlling the family quietly, and will outlive yet another generation. Ah, the Hereditary grandmother
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Torquemadras posted:I read Fire Punch because of this thread. I really liked Fire Punch, but it's not a comic I'd recommend to everybody. And yeah, once Togata bites it, the story loses so much. Wark Say fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jun 7, 2020 |
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You know, something this chapter really highlighted for me was one of the big ways that Denji is different from other Shonen Jump dumbasses like Luffy and Goku. And it was highlighted by its absence. With Luffy and Goku, what you see is generally what you get. When they have inner monologue, it's on the same topics they talk about. They aren't deep thinkers, and they don't need to be. Denji is the same on the surface, including the insane strategies. A chapter like the latest one, or like his fight with Santa Clause where he lit himself on fire, it's easy to think he's just a dumbass. But last chapter emphasized his interiority. Even when Denji's just blundering around, like with the time he went out drinking, he's thinking about the world and how he interacts with it. He considers his own morality, his relations with others, his desires and their results. Denji may not be a deep thinker in a conventional sense, but he's always thinking. (It's notable that, unlike most of his bodyguards, he actually figured out that he was playing bait on his own.) ...Which brings to mind another avenue that might or might not have some payoff down the line. It might just be me reading more generously with regards to the boss than the situation warrants, but it does seem like Makima is the one person who thinks Denji's got something going on upstairs. When he asks a question, she makes sure to clarify and treats it seriously. When Denji says something exceptionally dumb, she has a look of "Did he seriously say something that dumb?" in a way most people don't, because most people don't expect anything of him. This actually contrasts with Himeno (whose actions around Denji assume he's thinking with his other head) and, surprisingly, Reze. Reze really does care about Denji, obviously, but where Makima usually manages to read Denji like a copy of CoroCoro Comic (And I'm only not saying "always" because we don't know how the conversation about looking after Power ended.), Reze repeatedly reads him wrong. She's surprised he's a City Mouse, she doesn't understand why Denji's so in love with three hots and a cot, and (big one!) she assumes that the reason Denji isn't willing to run away with her is that he has someone already. Now, I can't blame her for that too much. I thought that was it too, at the time. Denji really likes Makima, and she's got her hooks in deep. (...Except she's letting him go out with a girl, stay home from Enoshima, nearly gently caress someone else... Yeah. Putting a pin in all this. Makima's letting a lot of slack in Denji's leash. Wonder where that's going.) But then Denji's willing to ditch for Reze later, and he stays back for Power, and suddenly it's clear that Denji's surface explanation was the truth, not a cover for his whole Betty and Veronica problem. Denji's so hard for people to read, not just because he's capable of staggering feats of idiocy, but because he's also putting in a lot of thought in that people don't recognize because of, again, the idiocy thing. ...People other than Makima. What is even her DEAL?
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What if the demon Makima made a pact with is actually Roko's Basilisk?
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McTimmy posted:I want Makima's deal to be she is entirely on the level everyone is just super-paranoid about her.
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chiasaur11 posted:But last chapter emphasized his interiority. Even when Denji's just blundering around, like with the time he went out drinking, he's thinking about the world and how he interacts with it. He considers his own morality, his relations with others, his desires and their results. Denji may not be a deep thinker in a conventional sense, but he's always thinking. (It's notable that, unlike most of his bodyguards, he actually figured out that he was playing bait on his own.)\ Luffy does have some philosophy behind his actions. He believes in some sort of pirate code. It just doesn't come up that often. In fact the only time it ever played a meaningful role was with Usopp during the Enies Lobby arc. I still love One Piece but I think Luffy's simplicity has a lot to do with the series having run for so long to the point where the main cast often drift into caricatures of themselves.
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makima's obviously not a perfect saint with clean hands, but i'd like if she had some good points, too. it's still possible that she's a ruthless monster who thinks nothing of manipulating and exploiting denji, but that's too simplistic for this manga.
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I hope Makima is just a good guy that’s willing to get her hands dirty to do the right thing.
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Denji isn't stupid but he was basically an uneducated and ignorant animal dude at the start of the series who was motivated purely by his basal instincts i.e. survival, hunger, lust, avoiding pain. It's fun and interesting to watch him learn how to fit into society and slowly develop his own code of ethics. For all her shadiness, Makima appears to be helping Denji by educating him about values and higher order concepts. Basically transforming him from a feral animal to human. Anybody's guess to what purpose though. Contrast him to someone like Luffy who basically began the series with his principles fully developed. He spends the series defending his philosophy but it never really changes after he leaves for the Grand Line. Biggest example would be Himeno's death. Luffy would be seething for vengeance since she'd be considered a friend + she shared food with him. Denji, who at this point in the series, was unfamiliar with the concept of friendship and empathy with other humans, had to pause and objectively think about what her death meant to him as a person and concluded eh  When Aki bites it there's gonna be some call back parallels for sure to show just how far Denji has come yum fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Jun 7, 2020 |
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yum posted:Denji isn't stupid but he was basically an uneducated and ignorant animal dude at the start of the series who was motivated purely by his basal instincts i.e. survival, hunger, lust, avoiding pain. It's fun and interesting to watch him learn how to fit into society and slowly develop his own code of ethics. For all her shadiness, Makima appears to be helping Denji by educating him about values and higher order concepts. Basically transforming him from a feral animal to human. Anybody's guess to what purpose though. Hopefully the guy that Santa Claus raised wasn’t thematic foreshadowing.
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in the last few months we've had chapters of completely alien symbolic imagery with little to no dialogue, a chapter where denji beats the badguy by setting himself on fire, a meditation on trauma, and a chapter that is essentially 20 pages of setup for a joke about aki puking. i love this manga so much.
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Ethiser posted:Hopefully the guy that Santa Claus raised wasn’t thematic foreshadowing. NickRoweFillea posted:I hope Makima is just a good guy that’s willing to get her hands dirty to do the right thing. Now here's where you'd normally say "Whoa, that's hosed up!". But Makima ain't no quitter. Not by a long-freaking-shot.
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I'll say it again Denjis defining moment will come when he has to choose whether or not to kill Makima, most likely at her insistence
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Big Leg posted:in the last few months we've had chapters of completely alien symbolic imagery with little to no dialogue, a chapter where denji beats the badguy by setting himself on fire, a meditation on trauma, and a chapter that is essentially 20 pages of setup for a joke about aki puking. i love this manga so much. I think that's kinda selling this latest chapter short.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I think that's kinda selling this latest chapter short. that's fair; the last page wouldn't have resonated with me if the rest of the chapter hadn't done an amazing job establishing how much the emotional connections between aki, denji, and power have developed.
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I already lived in dread for Aki especially after him saving Angel. Thi is too much... pls
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EmmyOk posted:I already lived in dread for Aki especially after him saving Angel. Thi is too much... pls Aki's been totally doomed for around a year now. At some point, you should get used to the steadily increasing pile of death flags. Still wonder how Makima's going to be handling this. Despite her superiors's warnings, she does get at least a bit attached, and Aki, Power, and Denji are clearly her favorites. (Amusing to note that it was Aki who got Power assigned to Denji, even if Makima is the one who made them all housemates.) Means that simple slaughter isn't going to be a first solution.
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