Whiskey A Go Go! posted:

That might be my problem too. My Cryorig H5 is struggling to keep my 8600k cool and some of the cores are getting as high as 90c under load and with a ideal of high 40c. It too has 4 heat pipes and was first made in 2014. I pulled the trigger on the Dark Rock 4 as it has 6 heat pipes and the fan being very quiet at high rpm. I was thinking of a Aio but the prices are inflated in Canada for some reason so it’s time for the big German bastard to cool my CPU.

Edit: For the record the cryorig was the worst installation system I ever had to deal with it.

Klyith posted:

Those temps are a little higher than I'd expect, especially if the fan is going full blast. But the shadow rock 2 is a pretty antiquated cooler unfortunately -- it dates back to 2013. Even though it's physically larger than a cheaper hyper212 or arctic 34 it's still got just 4 heatpipes. Most of the high performance heatsinks recommended ITT have 6.

You might want to check the install to make sure you have it on proper with equal tension across all the nuts. It's an old design of mounting bracket that is possible to mess up. (Quote from a review: "The holes in these legs are also countersunk and if the screw heads aren't level with the plates when you are done, you are doing it wrong.")

(And, hate to ask, but did you remove the plastic protective film from the bottom of the cooler before you installed it?)


Otherwise, it used a fairly high-speed fan and you could probably twiddle your fan curves to reduce RPM in the 60-70C zone for a quieter result with minimal rise in heat.

Argas posted:

Ah poo poo. I'm getting an Arctic 34 duo for my Ryzen 5 3600 and this is making me worried. Will it be inadequate or will that not be a big deal if I'm not OCing?

Morphix posted:

not sure where to post this, but I'm trying to setup a stream thingy and I looked at cpuid-z closely and I think my RAM is like, way underclocked? I thought I had 3200 or 3600 speed ram. I'm just using the a-tuning software and set it for 'auto performance' or whatever and havn't really made any other changes to the BIOS.

https://imgur.com/a/7Bf2Akp

is the screenshots of the cupid thingy, it looks like my RAM is running at 1600mhz which, that can't be right.

orcane posted:

No that's normal, your RAM runs at 1600 x 2 = 3200 "MHz" (technically 3200 is the transfer rate so it would really be 3200 MT/s, but most people just call it MHz too).

Some Goon posted:

Wouldn't it be better to get an external audio interface / ADC in that case to avoid any possible interference from within the case? Ill admit I haven't spent any time looking into audio-in, but for high end (consumer) audio-out external units are preferred basically universally these days.

Argas posted:

Ah poo poo. I'm getting an Arctic 34 duo for my Ryzen 5 3600 and this is making me worried. Will it be inadequate or will that not be a big deal if I'm not OCing?

Agent355 posted:

my 5700 XT has 4 video outs, 3 of them are DP one of them is HDMI. I don't really know the difference bvetween the two formats. More importantly I have 2 monitors but both are HDMI and I don't think either of them has a DP video in. I guess the two interfaces are somewhat compatible based on whether it's active or something. I'm not really sure.

Could anybody explain what I might need to run both my HDMI monitors off the card? Other than just going and buying a DP monitor :P

Some Goon posted:

Or https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-DisplayPort-Compatible-Computers/dp/B005H3I38Q

Also lol at that product name, they've been around the block before.

Klyith posted:

The mobo has an integrated sound chip. It's only important if you're recording from strictly analog sources, like an analog mic (not a usb mic) or connecting some other analog line-in thing. If all your sound is digital sources it doesn't matter.

Basically, the sound chips integrated into most mobos are kinda crap. For listening output they are generally good enough, but their analog input quality is often real poor. I can easily notice a difference in recorded sound quality between my mobo's and my real sound card. But maybe you don't even use an analog mic, usb mics are ubiquitous these days.


Looking at some stuff, it seems like Premiere does use GPU acceleration. It can do accelerated encoding with NVENC (using the GPU to encode the output) and for some effects. That second link is all about workstations for high-end professional stuff, I doubt you need a fancy GPU. But a 1030 doesn't have the NVENC acceleration and the 1650 Super does. This isn't an area I know a lot about, you might want to get 2nd opinions from someone who knows more about Premiere.

Going with 16gb to start would be fine.

Mr Interweb posted:

oh another question. the power supply you recommended is a bronze. is it wise to go with that? the op says they're not really reliable.

Klyith posted:

The metal rating on a power supply doesn't really say anything about quality, only power efficiency. It is possible to make a very reliable bronze unit. It's also possible (though not common) to make a crap gold one. The CX non-modular is a very good bronze, and before the pandemic was my general pick for best budget PSU.


OTOH I now see the price on it in my PCPP quote was $109, which is totally stupid. I think between when I added it and when I copies the build list it went out of stock at the normal price, which is $65 (and was $50 before the pandemic crunch). Don't buy it for that much money.

If you're ready to buy right now newegg has the CX-M 450 in stock. (The M is not quite as good as the non-M, but it's still ok.) Otherwise check back on wednesday and thursday for stock of other decent budget options. PSUs are a bitch right now.

Klyith posted:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($166.89 @ Walmart)

Mr Interweb posted:

oh sorry, just for clarification. this says it comes with a cooler already? do i still need to buy a separate one?

Mr Interweb posted:

oh interesting. do they generally restock by wednesday or thursday? i plan on keeping this computer for a long time (well obviously), so i don't mind spending a bit more if i have to for safety, durability and longevity.

also, a question about the case. really nice looking one, but it seems it's a small size. is that going to be an issue?

Mr Interweb posted:

oh sorry, just for clarification. this says it comes with a cooler already? do i still need to buy a separate one?

MMD3 posted:

I'm building a new PC for the first time in ~7 years and have a line on a good discount on an i9-9900 (not k). I don't really care much for OC'ing as every time I've done it in the past I haven't really done much to take advantage of it so I'm mostly content just leaving my processors to run at their designated speeds and doing a good job w/ air cooling but not going nuts.

My main question is... even with a decent discount is it best to go with the Intel processor vs. whatever the comparable Ryzen is? It seems like maybe the comparable processor would be the 3800x or 3900x? A friend is saying I should still go Ryzen just because the mobo's are also cheaper and I can get a motherboard set up for PCIe-4 but I don't have any components on my shopping list that would utilize PCIe-4 and I'm not the type to future proof in the hopes that I can buy another new GPU etc next year.

Am I crazy to think I should be more than happy with a stock 9900 or should I be willing to maybe spend a little bit more to go AMD? I'm also looking for good recommendations for a subbish ~$300 z390 mobo if I do go the Intel route.

photo & audio editing are as important to me as gaming.

Some Goon posted:

The stock cooler isn't exactly quiet, but an aftermarket cooler isn't strictly necessary.

Klyith posted:

If you're ok spending more, the corsair RM650 is in stock now for $115 and has a 10 year warranty. 650 watts is way more than you need but that doesn't hurt anything. That's a great PSU that will likely outlast the rest of the PC, so if you upgrade in 6-7 years you can keep right on using it.

The case is a mATX case (which goes with the mATX mobo I pointed out). mATX is generally totally adequate for normal PC users, most people only put 1 GPU and 1-2 hard drives in their PC. It does lock you into mATX motherboards in the future, which tend to target the budget side. But if you're not a gamer there's no reason for you to ever buy fancy-pants $250 motherboards.


Ryzens come with a cooler, but it's small and pretty noisy. It's functional for keeping the cpu cool, but an inexpensive tower heatsink will do so quietly and is super worth for QOL.

If you skim back through the thread you can find lots of goons who built with the OEM heatsink and then came back to the thread and said they couldn't deal with it. If you're hard of hearing or otherwise 100% don't care about sound, you can skip it.

Klyith posted:

A Ryzen 3700X is probably a good comparison to a 9900 non-K, the 9900 wins in gaming but the low all-core clock means the 3700X will spank it in non-gaming performance.

Without the overclocking you wouldn't need a super-fancy Z390 mobo, the non-K also has a lower thermal power target than the K so you don't need a heavy-duty VRM. Basic $150 options from MSI and Gigabyte would be fine. All you need is the Z for running faster memory.

So if your deal for the 9900 is less than the $280 a 3700X is going for these days, it's an actual deal. If it's like $350 I'd go with the ryzen.

edit: you're right that buying for PCIe 4 future-proofing is likely of little value.

Mr Interweb posted:

now possibly the last and possibly lame question i have, do any of the components you recommended have any of those cool little lights flashing/glowing inside? it's a small thing, but i like how those things look and would like them included if possible

Deformed Church posted:

As for coolers, what should I even be looking for besides that reviews say it's quiet, and it actually fits in the case?

The motherboard is where I get really confused. Most builds with this CPU/video card that I've seen online seem to go with X570, but I can't work out what advantage it would offer over a B450 board if I'm not looking to overclock. Also, I need wifi so it either needs to be able to fit my current wi-fi adapter or have on board wifi. Can anyone offer some pointers on what might be good?

Lastly, I'd like to try and do it in two stages to spread the cost but get some improvements sooner. I currently have a B250M, i5-7500 and RX480 8GB. The video card would be £400 ish and I'd expect the CPU/mobo/cooler to be somewhere in the £400-500 region too, so I'd split them like that. Are there any compatibility issues I should be aware of if I get one of those groups now and the other in a month or two? Is there much in it in terms of which will be more noticeable on it's own?

Deformed Church posted:

As an entirely non-essential aside, PC part picker shows a compatibility warning that that power supply is too long for my case, but I only discovered that just now and the PSU has been happily situated securely in the case for quite a while now, what's up with that?

Klyith posted:

Amused Frog posted:

I'm looking at updating my current desktop to get better performance in VR and modern games. I built it in... I want to say 2015 based on recommendations from this thread's predecessor.
[...]
My big focus on upgrading is the GPU, for which I'm thinking of getting an RTX 2060 Super.

I know this starts to bottleneck with my CPU but, realistically, upgrading my CPU as well (and potentially my motherboard? Has it been that long?) is more than I'm willing to do at the moment.

Am I completely wasting the additional money on a 2060 Super vs a 1660Ti with the build above? Are there any small changes I could make to improve this situation?

Luminaflare posted:

I've been pricing up a new pc for gaming or possibly game dev, about mid range (I think? I've been out of the tech game for a while) £500 to £1000 and I've been finding a fair few prebuilts actually being cheaper than buying them parted out?

Has it finally got reasonable to just be lazy and grab a prebuilt system? I really can't be bothered to set up an entire machine again if I can avoid it.

Argas posted:

Ah poo poo. I'm getting an Arctic 34 duo for my Ryzen 5 3600 and this is making me worried. Will it be inadequate or will that not be a big deal if I'm not OCing?

Drakhoran posted:

"Human Malware" situation

Klyith posted:

Normally when you do a real like-for-like comparison -- use a grotty PSU, the cheapest case, a no-frills mobo -- you find that the price advantage of a prebuilt goes away. Retail margin < cost of paying people to assemble + company margin.

But now is not a normal time and it could be that prebuilts have not increased in price as much, while some parts for the DIY market are extremely supply hosed. Get a prebuilt if you want, but this is not a useful thread for questions about prebuilts like which company is best.

Agrikk posted:

Can anyone recommend a mid-tower case that'll fit an Extended ATX (12"x13") dual-CPU motherboard, and that's roomy enough to fit a pair of taller heat sinks like the Cooler Master 212?

Agrikk posted:

Can anyone recommend a mid-tower case that'll fit an Extended ATX (12"x13") dual-CPU motherboard, and that's roomy enough to fit a pair of taller heat sinks like the Cooler Master 212?