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there are usually a mix of wins and losses for each side. if you ask the OEM the book rates are entirely too generous and there are examples 1-n of how guys crush rate. if you ask a dealer the book rates are absurdly stingy and there are examples 1-n of how they are unable to feed their families. in true south park fashion the truth is in the middle for the most part.
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Ola posted:Bit of nuance, the book rate is ideal conditions, no complications etc. Not so much ideal conditions, but a skilled tech who's never done the job before (so not experienced), following all the instructions, with all the tools and parts at hand (if non-automotive industry maintenance is relevant to anything here). What allows for people to crush those numbers is experience, but you can't rely on having someone experienced do the job. You want to hope the shop at least has skilled techs, but if you've got Jimmy "All Thumbs" Murphy on the case, book time is probably going to be woefully inadequate. Of course there's still going to be the usual 'engineers designed it not to break and it broke, so good luck with them coming up with an accurate assessment of how long it'll take to unfuck things', too. Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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Jun 9, 2020 00:47
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There are also examples of hacks where a custom tool and a dude with six elbows and baby hands can get away with not removing six hundred pounds of crap to get to the last fastener, thereby crushing book time...
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Jun 9, 2020 09:20
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Johnny Octopus, car manufacturers HATE HIM!
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bolind posted:There are also examples of hacks where a custom tool and a dude with six elbows and baby hands can get away with not removing six hundred pounds of crap to get to the last fastener, thereby crushing book time... And on the opposite side, book rate not taking into account The Northeast, and its attendant feature of making components either become one with another component, or disappear altogether.
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Jun 9, 2020 17:53
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$1000 Chang-Lee city car. Seats look more padded than the Bolt :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJk30Kj5jCA
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Jun 9, 2020 19:02
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I still think there's a space for vehicles which are basically velomobiles with electric drivetrains. Pity it would only work if we started holding drivers criminally accountable when they kill or injure with a car, so it will never happen.
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VideoGameVet posted:$1000 Chang-Lee city car. Seats look more padded than the Bolt :-) That car is hilarious  .I kind of want one, even though it would be a bit of a downgrade.
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Loucks posted:I still think there's a space for vehicles which are basically velomobiles with electric drivetrains. Pity it would only work if we started holding drivers criminally accountable when they kill or injure with a car, so it will never happen. Considering the price difference between this ChainLi and your typical velomobile, I'd love to see the Chinese build something like the ELF solar tricycle and sell it for $1k.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pivzUIOB-gw The team at Electrified Garage is offering performance upgrades for Model 3 LR-AWD owners: https://shop.electrifiedgarage.com/collections/all posted:Stage 1 While I'm sure not many folks would spring on this, it does seem hopeful that non-Tesla garages will possibly service these cars with drive train replacements (at the expense of losing software updates and supercharging obviously).
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Local tesla showroom has a Y for test drives. I stopped by while out running some errands. 10-15 minutes in it at most. The really quick steering, and more specifically the really small range of rotation is weird. The rear window is indeed very small. Uhh, otherwise its like a model 3. Endless instant torque and hauls rear end way too easily. Was waffling on PYD or another Mustang GT, and now thats a dead question. Teeeesla.
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Jun 11, 2020 00:00
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Why not get the new Mach E?
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Jun 11, 2020 01:22
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Speleothing posted:Why not get the new Mach E?
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Finger Prince posted:Not so much ideal conditions, but a skilled tech who's never done the job before (so not experienced), following all the instructions, with all the tools and parts at hand (if non-automotive industry maintenance is relevant to anything here). long and short is it's basically this. And also yeah dealer rates go through vetting for warranty payout as well. there is enforcement to make sure the number is accurate.
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Jun 11, 2020 02:45
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Buy a Porsche instead, this Tesla crap sucks
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Electrek and inside evs have both posted negative things about Model Y quality issues, did they not receive their Tesla paychecks?
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InsideEVs posts plenty of Tesla negative things, but Fred got off the Tesla train when they price cut the Model 3 a few weeks after he got one and wouldn't refund him the difference. He had a big mad meltdown on Reddit and elsewhere.
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VideoGameVet posted:$1000 Chang-Lee city car. Seats look more padded than the Bolt :-)
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Westy543 posted:InsideEVs posts plenty of Tesla negative things, but Fred got off the Tesla train when they price cut the Model 3 a few weeks after he got one and wouldn't refund him the difference. He had a big mad meltdown on Reddit and elsewhere. This is a pretty bad PR move. Giving a refund to the tiny number of people who would request one in this situation adds to customer loyalty.
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Russian Bear posted:This is a pretty bad PR move. Giving a refund to the tiny number of people who would request one in this situation adds to customer loyalty. It’s a no-win scenario for Tesla. They’ve got to draw a line somewhere for giving someone a refund. They could issue millions in refunds to people who bought a car a month prior, and there would still be someone who got a car the day before the cutoff who’ll bitch about it online.
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I wonder how often people finance a Toyota for 2.99% and then go back a month later demanding they change the terms to the 2.49% when it goes on sale a month later. I wonder how often that's effective.
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borkencode posted:It’s a no-win scenario for Tesla. They’ve got to draw a line somewhere for giving someone a refund. They could issue millions in refunds to people who bought a car a month prior, and there would still be someone who got a car the day before the cutoff who’ll bitch about it online. Have an internal "soft" window that you don't publicize and if you trained your customer service people right, they can navigate that on a per customer basis.
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mobby_6kl posted:Pretty impressive how much you get for a grand, but then again even the Tata Nano was more of a car than this. I've DIYed a faster and more powerful EV even/ The nano should be at least 2.5x the car based on its price (and that was in 2007 dollars)
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Russian Bear posted:Have an internal "soft" window that you don't publicize and if you trained your customer service people right, they can navigate that on a per customer basis. Even if you don’t publicise it, customers who receive it will? Sounds like a PR nightmare too.
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Then maybe price your poo poo appropriately so it doesn't look like you're throwing darts at a list of numbers in the first place.
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Their issue is unlike most car companies they don’t use incentives and whatnot to respond to short term market shifts. Ford can set Msrp once a year and adjust the real price of their vehicles monthly if they need to.
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sanchez posted:Their issue is unlike most car companies they don’t use incentives and whatnot to respond to short term market shifts. Ford can set Msrp once a year and adjust the real price of their vehicles monthly if they need to. Plus their sales model means that the price is what it is. A model 3 LR in black will cost you the same as it does anyone else ticking the same options. With a dealership model, the price is whatever it has to be to make the sale, within reason. So two identical cars could be sold at wildly different prices to different people.
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Tesla has the best model for selling the cars, they're just not that good at building them in addition to being absolutely horrible at servicing them. While the best brains in the software business are working on the self driving stuff, I bet the back office stuff is people emailing around endless versions of LibreOffice spreadsheets.
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Finger Prince posted:Plus their sales model means that the price is what it is. A model 3 LR in black will cost you the same as it does anyone else ticking the same options. With a dealership model, the price is whatever it has to be to make the sale, within reason. So two identical cars could be sold at wildly different prices to different people. This is mostly true especially for a new purchase to custom specs. They have discounted cars in inventory pretty significantly when they've had to make end of quarter numbers though. It's not out of the question someone else could pay $5k less for the same Model 3 LR depending on when they purchased it and how.
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Finger Prince posted:Plus their sales model means that the price is what it is. A model 3 LR in black will cost you the same as it does anyone else ticking the same options. With a dealership model, the price is whatever it has to be to make the sale, within reason. So two identical cars could be sold at wildly different prices to different people. Unless you made the mistake of ordering one that won't be delivered until after that price changes.
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So, anyone going to comment on Nikola making GBS threads on the Cybertruck to drive interest for their so-far-vaporware pickup? Renders look nice, but so far Rivian is the only one to have actual hardware besides Tesla. Oh, and Ford, I guess.
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Anyone can talk a big game until they actually make a car. There's like a dozen EV startups and at least half of them are confident that they can take down Tesla or something. The only one I put much faith in is Ford. Tesla will probably do it eventually as well but not on schedule.
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Elon won't give me my Tesla
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At this point I hope the Tesla auto-drives itself up your rear end upon delivery
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FilthyImp posted:At this point I hope the Tesla auto-drives itself up your rear end upon delivery thats fukin rude
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FilthyImp posted:At this point I hope the Tesla auto-drives itself up your rear end upon delivery That's a $7,000 option
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Bum the Sad posted:Elon won't give me my Tesla Given some of the horror stories of the early Ys, the longer you wait, the better.
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Have you tried cancelling your shitbox and buying a real car?
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