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IUG posted:The rest of the MST3k crew seemed pretty left, from what I remember. I don't follow anyone other than the main Rifftrax account and Bill/Kevin, but I remember Frank being pretty extreme online (and I'm pretty sure he was left), to the point that I had to unfollow him. Joel is an old hippy I believe, so maybe Cinematic Titanic needs to start back up again or something if there's a falling out at Rifftrax if Mike won't budge. joel is more beat than hippy, i think
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remigious posted:I hope they can work out their differences. I honestly don’t think I would buy any more rifftrax if Bill quit. Politics aside, Bill and Kevin make me laugh the most. But I don’t really want to lose any of them I won't buy any more unless Mike expresses genuine contrition and willingness to change (as I mentioned a couple of posts above). The masks (which were barely affixed to begin with) have really come off of conservative America in general over the last two decades or so, and if people choose to ally themselves with modern American conservatism (whether it's by griping about "cancel culture", or the pandemic lockdown measures, or complaining you can't use "the N-word" or "the F-word" when talking about black people or gay people, or saying "blue lives matter" or "all lives matter", to name just a few examples), then they have to face facts that they are aligning themselves with some of the absolute worst people in history. If Mike or any other artist or company is perfectly OK with doing that, that's their right, whether I like it or not. Just as it's my right not to give them any more of my money when I find things like this out.
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If Mike goes you would have to think Bridget goes as well. They've known each other for many years so hopefully things can sort itself out.
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IUG posted:The rest of the MST3k crew seemed pretty left, from what I remember. I don't follow anyone other than the main Rifftrax account and Bill/Kevin, but I remember Frank being pretty extreme online (and I'm pretty sure he was left), to the point that I had to unfollow him. Joel is an old hippy I believe, so maybe Cinematic Titanic needs to start back up again or something if there's a falling out at Rifftrax if Mike won't budge. Trace is also pretty left but isn't as vocal as Frank (few are as vocal as Frank). The other guy on Mike's 372 Pages We'll Never Get Back is Conor Lastowka, one of the RiffTrax writers who also seems to swing to the left. The third guy on Audio Mullet is apparently the Axe Cop dude. Which i never got into but now at least I don't have to put in the effort.
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Rusty Kettle posted:With the MST3k reboot losing momentum, and Bill/Kevin potentially leaving Rifftrax, perhaps there is an opportunity there for a Joel/Bill/Kevin collab. I would imagine that'd depend on contracts, etc., but I wouldn't object. That said, I think Joel is pretty much done with doing riffs himself and would rather be the behind-the-scenes guy. And it seems like he also prefers to use the MST3K umbrella to help elevate newer talents. But, you never know. MrMidnight posted:If Mike goes you would have to think Bridget goes as well. They've known each other for many years so hopefully things can sort itself out. I'm pretty sure Mike owns Rifftrax, so it wouldn't be a matter of him leaving but rather whether the others were willing to stay. It would suck to have a scenario where he replaces Bill and Kevin with some chud-rear end riffers making lovely cracks about SJWs and "safe spaces" and whatnot, but that'd likely be a worst-case scenario kinda thing where they just can't reconcile their differences. Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I'm pretty sure Mike owns Rifftrax, so it wouldn't be a matter of him leaving but rather whether the others were willing to stay. It would suck to have a scenario where he replaces Bill and Kevin with some chud-rear end riffers making lovely cracks about SJWs and "safe spaces" and whatnot, but that'd likely be a worst-case scenario kinda thing where they just can't reconcile their differences. If the others are serious about sticking to their principles, Mike would have to replace like everybody. Bill, Kevin, the writers like Conor, Sean and Jason, all of them don't seem like they'd be down with Doug.
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You know, Bill and Jonah would bounce pretty well off each other I think.
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Rusty Kettle posted:Bill/Kevin potentially leaving Rifftrax I haven't seen anything from either of them on this subject, at least not on Twitter (other than one reply someone embeded a few posts up, which hardly counts since you only see that if you go looking for it). I doubt that Rifftrax is going to break up based on what we've seen so far. But if they do, eh, I haven't bought anything from Rifftrax in like a year now, but have sunk probably a thousand or two over the years. (My wife doesn't enjoy MST3k or Rifftrax, so that's what stopped me a few years back.) Also someone did a health check on the Kickstarter campaigns with the last one they did, aren't they going up in money taken in year after year? Bill and Kevin would have to very publicly leave the company for there to be a dent in that.
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IUG posted:Also someone did a health check on the Kickstarter campaigns with the last one they did, aren't they going up in money taken in year after year? I don't think the absolute numbers are going up, but their campaigns don't look like they're hurting. ringu0 posted:I hastily assembled this as a response to people saying RiffTrax Live's movie offerings decline every year. Here it is updated with 2020's results:
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Doug Tennapel is so virulently awful that I can't really continue buying stuff from a guy that willingly associates with him  Oh well. That's depressing. I was feeling pretty good about rifftrax when they deleted that nasty transphobic joke from Laser Mission, too..
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Kojiro posted:Doug Tennapel is so virulently awful that I can't really continue buying stuff from a guy that willingly associates with him If Mike (and the rest of the crew) did that, here's hoping he can do more
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Another Bill posted:You know, Bill and Jonah would bounce pretty well off each other I think. They had good chemistry during the reuinion live show, which I just rewatched while I worked today. I'd be down for that.
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https://twitter.com/FrankConniff/status/1273027121036787714 I uhhh.... I think that's what you call a subtweet
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So hey, nice things. Just can't have them, can we
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The only thing I've heard from anyone tired to Rifftrax was the Bill Corbett tweet about how the discussions about what happens now are being done in private.
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RandomPauI posted:The only thing I've heard from anyone tired to Rifftrax was the Bill Corbett tweet about how the discussions about what happens now are being done in private. Yeah, there's really not much more to say at this point besides the whole thing sucks.
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Another Bill posted:https://twitter.com/FrankConniff/status/1273027121036787714 
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https://twitter.com/JoelGHodgson/status/1273230388165521410 "I always KNEW he was terrible at his job on top of being a terrible person!" always crops up when this happens and it always seems to bury the lede. Mike was and is talented, and that's part of why it hurts so much.
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/JoelGHodgson/status/1273230388165521410 Yeah, when its someone whose work you care about you really don't want to believe it, which is how some people get away with being publicly abhorrent.
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Bill posted a bit more on this too: https://twitter.com/BillCorbett/status/1273141488919158785 https://twitter.com/BillCorbett/status/1273144275576983553 https://twitter.com/BillCorbett/status/1273144623515533312
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Doesn't sound like Bill is considering leaving Rifftrax over this based on those tweets. Guess we'll see how this sorts out. Fwiw, Mike has been absent from the last couple podcasts. Maybe he's decided to give it up.
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Another Bill posted:You know, Bill and Jonah would bounce pretty well off each other I think. Bill guested on Jonah’s podcast a while back, and they were really, really funny together.
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/JoelGHodgson/status/1273230388165521410 Oh, exactly. I love Joel (I'm kinda iffy on Jonah and the revival though), but Mike did so many great MST3K episodes during his run (and, as Joel pointed out, contributed a lot to his own episodes as well) that it really makes this whole thing that much more upsetting.
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mobby_6kl posted:Lol this is literally what Pence believes or pretends to believe this is tangential to the discussion but it's worse than that: pence is saying that there isn't a second wave because """we've successfully defeated covid""" and it's over now
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I'm glad they're handling it privately (for now) because that's the appropriate way to do things. It's not a tribunal and if people are desperately worried about getting an "answer" before they order more stuff, it might be helpful for them to have a pause for reflection. Rushing to conclusions in any direction to satisfy somebody who absolutely must purchase and watch the riffed version of "Miami Connection" before Friday but requires a position paper first would be ridiculous. This whole thing is really disappointing and I'm specifically disappointed in Mike and I hope this gets worked out (properly).
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Guy Fieri was a total homophobe and he repented publicly and has officiated like 200+ lgtb weddings last I heard. I hope Mike is listening to that kind of coaching.
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/JoelGHodgson/status/1273230388165521410 I'm glad Joel pushed back against this. Pretending Mike isn't funny won't resolve the issue.
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Breadallelogram posted:I'm glad Joel pushed back against this. Pretending Mike isn't funny won't resolve the issue. https://twitter.com/JoelGHodgson/status/1273253236275843080?s=20 And I do recall that there were plenty of times Mike made a riff during his MST3K run that were definitely not 100% positive about religion, etc., and certainly Kevin/Trace/Bill also made plenty of anti-religious/anti-Republican riffs that Mike appeared to be OK with, so I dunno if this is just something that developed after MST3K ended or if he was just quietly seething at the time. But either way, Joel's absolutely right about how talented Mike was and is. Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jun 17, 2020 |
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Sydney Bottocks posted:And I do recall that there were plenty of times Mike made a riff during his MST3K run that were definitely not 100% positive about religion, etc., and certainly Kevin/Trace/Bill also made plenty of anti-religious/anti-Republican riffs that Mike appeared to be OK with, so I dunno if this is just something that developed after he left MST3K or if he was just quietly seething at the time. But either way, Joel's absolutely right about how talented Mike was and is. Mike has always been fairly open about his libertarian bent.
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I really feel for all the MST3K folks ( and Rifftrax ). They've been working with Mike for 30+ years, their careers and personal lives and gosh I'll even say comedy legacies are completely intertwined. It's not as easy as saying "I quit" or "Mike's Cancelled" or whatever for them. He's put them all in a really tough spot.
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That's about the best I could hope for and it could have been a lot, lot worse. Still a bit too "I didn't know that" but...I'll take that, at the least. And yeah Joel has been amazing about all of this.
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