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GalacticAcid posted:DH would have helped the Pirates immensely each of the past two seasons, probably 2017 as well tho I'm blanking a bit. I understand the other objections but I don’t agree that DH will disproportionately hurt low budget teams. No evidence, not logical given how the position is filled currently The bone being thrown to the MLBPA is that the DH permits older players to stay in the league longer, and being veterans the DH tends to be the most expensive position in the roster barring elite starting pitchers. J. D. Martinez got paid more last year than anyone else on the Red Sox roster not named Price.
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DH production by team in 2019...MIN and KCR got the most out of the position. Martinez is an anomaly and not reflective of how that lineup spot is used leaguewide now
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GalacticAcid posted:DH production by team in 2019...MIN and KCR got the most out of the position. Martinez is an anomaly and not reflective of how that lineup spot is used leaguewide now That's with Astros only getting half a season of my Large Slugging Son Yordan though 
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GalacticAcid posted:DH production by team in 2019...MIN and KCR got the most out of the position. Martinez is an anomaly and not reflective of how that lineup spot is used leaguewide now I was wondering who in the holy hell put the Royals on top of something until I remembered Soler DHed most of the year.
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There's always players with bats but weak defense, or positional log jams that squeeze out players. Those players will be getting shots at 15 new DH positions. It's also a good way to keep good hitters healthy by not forcing them to play a position every day to stay in the lineup. The Pirates could DH Bell and free up 1B to another first basemen and all of this is irrelevant, even.
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Would have been really nice to let Gregory Polanco DH while his shoulder recovered, even with the poor first base defense from JB.
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New Concept Hole posted:There's always players with bats but weak defense, or positional log jams that squeeze out players. Those players will be getting shots at 15 new DH positions. It's also a good way to keep good hitters healthy by not forcing them to play a position every day to stay in the lineup. I don't like watching DH baseball due to how it plays out on the field so I'm ducking out entirely regardless of who plays where, but I figured there was a parity argument to be made. Time will tell.
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Totally reasonable. Will be tough to get a read on the real effects until we get at least a full season in
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bewbies posted:honestly I think it is kind of the opposite...it gives poor teams a chance to platoon a couple of decent bats on the relatively cheap, which decreases the relative value of good bats at other positions. A hard click of an industrial steel latch. Vapor spills from the seals of a stainless door. Machines whirr. Vitals refresh on a telemetry screen. Edgar Martinez opens his eyes slowly. Yawns. Sighs, and unsheaths his Louisville Slugger.
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I don't know if Republic Services is nationwide but the Astros already use their color scheme and not too far off from their livery. the republic services astros cheated in the world series and still lost
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LeeMajors posted:A hard click of an industrial steel latch. Vapor spills from the seals of a stainless door. Machines whirr. Vitals refresh on a telemetry screen. Edgar Martinez opens his eyes slowly. Yawns. Sighs, and unsheaths his BONESABER ftfy
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Let the DH in the NL but on one special day per year all teams play and can only play pitchers at every position (except catcher, maybe). Somehow this special day will determine home field advantage in the world series.
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Craig Edwards at fangraphs actually wrote about teams who gain the most from a universal dh based on rosters as of early May. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/nl-teams-stand-to-lose-out-if-theres-a-universal-dh-in-2020
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Casnorf posted:I don't know if Republic Services is nationwide but the Astros already use their color scheme and not too far off from their livery. Color scheme must be different. I’m staring at a royal blue, white and red Republic truck on my street right now. Bregor posted:ftfy A+ new euphemism
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uggy posted:Craig Edwards at fangraphs actually wrote about teams who gain the most from a universal dh based on rosters as of early May. I don't think I can take any article that doesn't pick Kyle Schwarber as the Cubs DH seriously.
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euphronius posted:So can otani DH in games he pitches and still hit if he’s removed as a pitcher ? No
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Has anyone said gently caress the DH lately? Because gently caress the DH even if I know it's the smart thing to do.
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Mustached Demon posted:Has anyone said gently caress the DH lately? It really doesn't add anything tangibly positive to the game. It's a lateral move to satisfy the MLBPA in return for other concessions.
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Mustached Demon posted:Has anyone said gently caress the DH lately? The DH is good.
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If that's the sort of baseball you like that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, but the Three True Outcomes stuff just ain't my cup of tea.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:If that's the sort of baseball you like that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, but the Three True Outcomes stuff just ain't my cup of tea. Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:It really doesn't add anything tangibly positive to the game. It's a lateral move to satisfy the MLBPA in return for other concessions. 
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Hmm I’ll try to pull TTO/PA by position later....would be interesting to see Pitchers striking out so frequently might put them at the top tbh. But yea if DH adds to TTO style play that’s a definite negative to me as well.
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https://twitter.com/TorresGleyber/status/1273665559201304578 lol
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:If that's the sort of baseball you like that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that, but the Three True Outcomes stuff just ain't my cup of tea. Curious how the DH/no DH debate impacts "the Three True Outcomes stuff". That's more of a question of approach and GM in favor of players who have that approach (at all positions), not sure that having a pitcher weakly ground out a couple of times per game is really keeping things more exciting on the whole.
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General Dog posted:Curious how the DH/no DH debate impacts "the Three True Outcomes stuff". That's more of a question of approach and GM bias toward players who have that approach, not sure that having a pitcher weakly ground out a couple of times per game is really keeping things more exciting on the whole. It isn't restricted to one league or another, but the DH is definitely a part of and a contributor to the all-or-nothing mentality. There aren't a flock of potential fans sitting outside NL stadiums saying that they'll jump in and start spending money once they don't have to watch pitchers bat four times a game, no more than there are potential fans waiting for games to be seven minutes shorter before they buy in. It's a change that has no positive effect for NL fans. There's no on-field reason to do it. We already have rules in place governing interleague play.
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Edit: ^^^^^ this is fuckin dumb as hell Get rid of first baseman too they are also too tto, just throw the ball at the players Also isn’t mike trout regularly near the top of the tto list cause he does those three things a lot
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uggy posted:Edit: ^^^^^ this is fuckin dumb as hell ...Because?
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So the dude who used to play third base for the Twins is a reporter now, for "Jomboy Media", and "Jomboy" is a Youtube guy? Except now it's a media company? OK I think I'm caught up on this stuff. Carry on.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:...Because? In what way does the DH contribute to the all-or-nothing mentality? Yes DH's are likely to be TTO type hitters, but that's because of the pre-existing convention that that is the type of hitter you want in your lineup. It's not like National League lineups are currently the pitcher and eight guys who just slap line drive singles and doubles all day. General Dog fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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You answered your own question. Like I said, I don't like TTO baseball, if you like it that's cool, there's nothing wrong with it. I grew up a Phillies fan through the eighties and nineties and I've been a Pirates fan since then. The game is moving away from the kind of inside small baseball that I like, and a part of that is instituting a DH in the NL. I don't see how that's positive for fans who like the NL product just the way it is. At heart it's a labor move, not a move to improve the product on the field.
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And also like speaking for all of nl fans like we are one entity is ridiculous. I don’t understand why you like only fuckin post about this too Jesus Christ nobody cares that you hate the dh talk about literally anything else
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Of the players who have had the highest single hr seasons in baseball history, which league have the majority played in Same question for all recent seasons of starting pitchers with over 300k in a season
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Pitchers in 2019: 3.1% BB%, 43.5% K%, 0.5% HR% = 47.1% TTO DH in 2019: 10.7% BB%, 25.0% K%, 4.7% HR% = 40.4% TTO All Non-Pitchers (including DH) in 2019: 8.7% BB%, 22.4% K%, 3.7% HR% = 34.8% TTO Not sure how removing pitchers, the single largest source of TTO, is going to increase TTO
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Removing the pitcher from the lineup decreases the chance that you will see a bunt attempted in a given game, and that’s basically it. The drop in actual rate at which balls are put in play is the result of trends that have nothing to do with the DH.
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It's entirely valid for me to just say that I don't like the DH because I don't like the DH. I don't need stats for that. As a fan I'm allowed to feel that way. Adding it to the NL adds nothing tangible to the game. It's a labor relations move. It will not improve the product on the field. It's just a way to get the MLBPA to agree to concessions in other areas.
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https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1273674985719152641?s=21
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*claps hands* We want 69 We want 69
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marioinblack posted:*claps hands* 11 games against the 4 other teams in your division. 5 games against the 5 teams in the same region in the other league. it's perfect
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What reporter was the one some goon introduced to the Goat Man? Passan? Heyman?
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