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Nfcknblvbl posted:Glad to hear you’re finally getting your car Indiana_Krom. I think you used my referral code since the dates match up.
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Jun 21, 2020 01:20
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Ok yeah I'll do some reliability research. Luckily I have a service center like 30 minutes away so that helps
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Jun 21, 2020 01:30
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It seems like people who get the cars love them though. And sometimes it's fun to buy new things, if you can, honestly.
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Jun 21, 2020 01:35
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Indiana_Krom, the cure to range anxiety is owning an EV. That said, I’ve done a couple long road trips (5k+ miles cross-country each). I’m planning on doing a couple by the end of this year so it’s nice to not pay charging fees so thanks, man.
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Jun 21, 2020 01:41
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FilthyImp posted:Some have had their advanced autopilot pulled after buying a used car (it's a "license" that isn't tied to the car or the user). That's not how it works. Though I kinda wish it did. A few people got it removed from cars that shouldn't have had it to begin with (wasn't paid for, or a trial that didn't expire as it should), and a ton of drama ensued.
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Jun 21, 2020 01:58
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Afaik every person who got FSD yanked got it back after those stories blew up.
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gwrtheyrn posted:Don't spend anything because you have a working volt, and wait 2-3 years while hyundai/kia/vw work out their first gen issues and buy one of those This is pretty much my answer. I think there are going to be some legit good options in a few years. But for the sake of window shopping, the most range I can cram into my price range.
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re: reliability dunno if this is a thing or still a thing but I laughed at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-7b1waoj9Q\ Edit: looks like it stripped the timestamp on that link for some reason. TLDR writing NAND storage to death gwrtheyrn fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Jun 21, 2020 |
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Shai-Hulud posted:We need more small cheap EVs in the rest of the world. But nooooo, we need to build a giant SUV with 700HP because we need to show the world what we can do and make EVs exciting! My Renault Zoe says hi.
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Jun 21, 2020 09:50
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Cardiac posted:My Renault Zoe says hi. Yeah the Zoe is a good little car but I predict a tough future for it. I never liked the additional cost that comes from renting the battery and now you can get a Corsa e or an e-208 for the same price as a Zoe with battery or a VW e-up/Seat Mii electric/Skoda citigo EV for the same price as a Zoe without battery. I think they can coast for a couple of years on it being the best selling EV over here though.
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Jun 21, 2020 10:29
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A Zoe costs more than a 40kWh Leaf or Ioniq and nearly level with the base Model 3 in this (unsubsidised) market.
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Jun 21, 2020 10:36
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The Zoe is abysmal to sit in unless you go for the top trim (which is expensive). Granted, they've made it better, but a 2015 base spec one has worse plastics than my garbage cans. The battery rent cost kinda negates much of the savings of gas as well as $70 a month for 1000km a year is pretty harsh unless you live in a city and don't drive much. I'd say the second hand market is where it's at, even with the battery rent. The Zoe is never going to be a long distance driver (unless you like suffering), so the bigger batteries in the newer ones make little difference. It's perfect as a city run-about if you can charge at home and I would seriously consider one if I had to get a second small city car.
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MrOnBicycle posted:The Zoe is abysmal to sit in unless you go for the top trim (which is expensive). Granted, they've made it better, but a 2015 base spec one has worse plastics than my garbage cans. The battery rent cost kinda negates much of the savings of gas as well as $70 a month for 1000km a year is pretty harsh unless you live in a city and don't drive much. I'd say the second hand market is where it's at, even with the battery rent. The Zoe is never going to be a long distance driver (unless you like suffering), so the bigger batteries in the newer ones make little difference. It's perfect as a city run-about if you can charge at home and I would seriously consider one if I had to get a second small city car. We have a 2019 model and I can’t really find anything particularly wrong with the seats or anything like that. If anything, it feels more refined than our 5 year old Passat. Fitting two baby seats in the back have been no hassle. It is excellent in the role we have for it ie short commutes and shopping. Helps that I live in an area where basically anything is max 30 min away and free charging at work. Basically we don’t drive our Passat unless we are going longer distances or need the extra baggage space. Also, last time I checked a Leaf or Ioniq was significantly more expensive. With the tax deduction, we got like 25% back on the price which put it in the same range as a normal small car like a golf.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Ok yeah I'll do some reliability research. Luckily I have a service center like 30 minutes away so that helps Don't get a tesla
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Jun 21, 2020 14:12
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Whoa, I didn’t know there was a rain shower option.
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Honestly surprised that there isn't an in-car smart ai assistant called Elon in those yet. "E-LON, enable 'relaxing rainforest' ambience"
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Jun 21, 2020 15:56
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Jun 21, 2020 15:59
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Indiana_Krom posted:because this kind of thing can happen to anything with windows.
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Jun 21, 2020 16:03
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FilthyImp posted:That's not a window, though. There's water infiltration somewhere on the roof that's pooling and finding its way down the maplight cluster. That's all kinds of hosed, not the east being a moldy-rear end headliner. the roof is a window
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Jun 21, 2020 16:08
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FilthyImp posted:That's not a window, though. There's water infiltration somewhere on the roof that's pooling and finding its way down the maplight cluster. That's all kinds of hosed, not the east being a moldy-rear end headliner. Sure it is. The entire roof is glass on the 3 and Y. The line where the top of the windshield and the sunroof meet goes directly over that.
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Jun 21, 2020 16:12
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Panoramic window, right. I'm an idiot.
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Jun 21, 2020 16:15
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:I have a weird question. I asked in the A/T Car Buying thread about this and more or less got told owning a Tesla is the stupidest decision ever. I kinda had this same decision last year, I went with the new SR+. I did the same with abrp and couldn't really find a value case for the mid or long range for me. But, I live in a temperate zone, and any long trips would be mostly on a highway with superchargers. If that's the case the difference in time is almost a wash between the models. Tho, if your main trip will be 150 miles each way the lr might be able to do it without a charge stop. If I lived in a cold climate, I'd prob get a longer range version tho. Another thing to keep in mind is the updates over time for the model 3. There's a spreadsheet on the Tesla forums that lists all the small (and big) changes for the car over the production run. A big one will be the computer version-hw3 is a big deal, and those earlier models might not have it. Also the SR+ doesn't have the premium interior.
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Jun 21, 2020 17:10
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Indiana_Krom posted:My Nissan Altima occasionally leaks on the inside down the windshield if there is snow or ice melting off the roof, I wouldn't suggest avoiding all Nissan cars because of it... If this is an excuse to not buy from a particular brand, then you're never going to own an automobile ever because this kind of thing can happen to anything with windows. You need to clear the drains out.
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Jun 21, 2020 17:25
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As mentioned upthread, I’d guess that 90% of the negative comments about Tesla’s come from people who have never driven one. They’re a very nice place to spend your commute. That said, they’re not for everyone. I got an early production RWD LR (vin 13,3xx) and couldn’t be happier. It’s had precisely one instance of a failure that left me stranded when the 12v battery poo poo the bed. That happens in all cars.
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Indiana_Krom posted:My Nissan Altima occasionally leaks on the inside down the windshield if there is snow or ice melting off the roof, I wouldn't suggest avoiding all Nissan cars because of it... If this is an excuse to not buy from a particular brand, then you're never going to own an automobile ever because this kind of thing can happen to anything with windows. It’s a 2 week old Model Y. Don’t think expecting a brand new 60k car to not leak profusely through the roof the first time it encounters water is too high a bar. MrYenko posted:As mentioned upthread, I’d guess that 90% of the negative comments about Tesla’s come from people who have never driven one. They’re a very nice place to spend your commute. That said, they’re not for everyone. This misses the issue. Alfa’s are also great cars to drive and no doubt there are many people who have had years of trouble free Alfa ownership but they still have a reputation for poor quality for a reason and buyers who don’t want to play the lottery with their very expensive purchase generally avoid them. Tesla is in the same boat. A lot of people don’t want to spend that much money and wait that long for a car in the hopes that they’ll get one that came from the factory on the right day with the right astrological chart so that it doesn’t leak through the roof or have paint slough off or have the windshield spontaneously crack or a hatch that won’t close or whatever. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jun 21, 2020 |
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MrYenko posted:As mentioned upthread, I’d guess that 90% of the negative comments about Tesla’s come from people who have never driven one. They’re a very nice place to spend your commute. That said, they’re not for everyone. Not spending thousands on a car just so I can post that "yeah it actually is bad if your car cries on you".
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Indiana_Krom posted:My Nissan Altima occasionally leaks on the inside down the windshield if there is snow or ice melting off the roof, I wouldn't suggest avoiding all Nissan cars because of it... If this is an excuse to not buy from a particular brand, then you're never going to own an automobile ever because this kind of thing can happen to anything with windows. Why haven’t you gotten it fixed You realize that’s not supposed to happen and doesn’t have to happen, right
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Kino posted:Sure it is. The entire roof is glass on the 3 and Y. The line where the top of the windshield and the sunroof meet goes directly over that. maybe making the entire roof out of glass is a dumb idea, I'm just spitballing here
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gwrtheyrn posted:Don't spend anything because you have a working volt, and wait 2-3 years while hyundai/kia/vw work out their first gen issues and buy one of those Does anyone have experience with how VW's current offerings are? I'm mostly looking ahead and thinking about getting a Q4 in the next couple years.
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Nostalgic Cashew posted:Another thing to keep in mind is the updates over time for the model 3. There's a spreadsheet on the Tesla forums that lists all the small (and big) changes for the car over the production run. A big one will be the computer version-hw3 is a big deal, and those earlier models might not have it. Also the SR+ doesn't have the premium interior. Do you have a link for that thread? I'd like to see what things they change. I've seen some really detailed reviews on YouTube from last year when I put the car on my radar, but I'd be curious to see what's changed over time.
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deadwing posted:maybe making the entire roof out of glass is a dumb idea, I'm just spitballing here There are dozens of other car manufacturers that do glass roofs, I don't hear about those leaking, there should be absolutely no path for water to get in if there isn't an opening panel of some kind. E: statistically I'm sure there are leaks reported for every make but they just shouldn't loving leak, period.
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deadwing posted:maybe making the entire roof out of glass is a dumb idea, I'm just spitballing here everyone loves the durability of their all glass phones right
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Jimong5 posted:Does anyone have experience with how VW's current offerings are? I'm mostly looking ahead and thinking about getting a Q4 in the next couple years. Their current offerings are the e-up and up until this year the e-golf as far as I know. The e-up isn't sold in the US, and from what I've heard, the e-golf is fine (it's a golf) other than its relatively short range. Most of the hype around VW is for the id.x cars, none of which are out yet. The first one, the id.3, is scheduled to launch in september (again not in the us).
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taqueso posted:everyone loves the durability of their all glass phones right Gimme my plastic backed phones back. I loved my nexus 6
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Indiana_Krom posted:My Nissan Altima occasionally leaks on the inside down the windshield if there is snow or ice melting off the roof, I wouldn't suggest avoiding all Nissan cars I would. Leaf excluded.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:It’s a 2 week old Model Y. Don’t think expecting a brand new 60k car to not leak profusely through the roof the first time it encounters water is too high a bar. Prior to the shutdown they were doing pretty well and seemed to be finally shedding the poor QA reputation. My 2020 Model 3 is fantastic with no real issues, I count myself lucky I got it just before the COVID shutdown. It's a shame they rushed production with the Y and seem to be back to the basics again. We're putting off a Y for my partner until they've had a year to iterate on it and work out the kinks.
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It's been that way with every product launch they've had. To some extent I wouldn't want a first year car from any automaker.
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Charles posted:It's been that way with every product launch they've had. To some extent I wouldn't want a first year car from any automaker. For the most part first year model issues with established manufacturers aren’t related to basic QC like “does the hatch close” or “are the back seats actually attached.” Those are things that should be a solved problem for a company that has been making cars for 10 years now. It’s another side effect of the idea that Tesla is a tech product not a manufacturing product. The most important thing is getting the release out the door, quality can be patched in later.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:For the most part first year model issues with established manufacturers aren’t related to basic QC like “does the hatch close” or “are the back seats actually attached.” The image of the back seats not attaching is insane to me, and kind of scary.
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