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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:"ah and windows only goes to 10. does that mean this macos is better?" the next version of windows is totally going to be 12 or 360 or one or windows series X
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someone at apple please drive to whoever's house the macos design team found the old copy of fireworks in and remove it, it's making the designers stupid
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Jun 23, 2020 18:22
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watch microsoft make another abortive attempt at ARM based windows devices
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Jun 23, 2020 18:27
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qirex posted:the next version of windows is totally going to be 12 windows one x
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SO DEMANDING posted:watch microsoft make another abortive attempt at ARM based windows devices the surface pro x has been on sale for some time. supremely pointless/bad, but lets not be confused about who is attempting a windows 8 in 2020. The Management posted:you get a faster computer every few years, unlike ones using intel chips that haven’t been making any noticeable progress. i mean, fingers crossed, but this seems pretty unlikely. unless they launch a really slow processor the first time around.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:supremely pointless/bad hell y eah, signing your posts is back!
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SO DEMANDING posted:watch microsoft make another abortive attempt at ARM based windows devices another? they're still going on the last one
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infernal machines posted:another? they're still going on the last one if we can have a second Covid wave during the first I don’t see why Microsoft can’t launch a new arm os while their current is still going bad
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lol i already forgot about the surface pro x so yeah what Vomik said, watch Microsoft make an ADDITIONAL abortive attempt at ARM based windows devices
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Pinterest Mom posted:https://twitter.com/chrisgrande/status/1275263119133155328 From what i've seen of the rest of the icons and visual design so far, I am not going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Jun 23, 2020 19:33
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qirex posted:the next version of windows is totally going to be 12 the obvious one is windows 365 to go along with office 365 it will be $100/year
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Jun 23, 2020 20:43
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that's already a thing for business
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Jun 23, 2020 20:49
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I would never pay for a web version of software
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Jun 23, 2020 20:50
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but think of all the possibilities https://www.pcjs.org/software/pcx86/sys/windows/3.10/
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Jun 23, 2020 21:04
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anandtech has a little summary of the arm-apple coverage that's worth a look
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Jun 23, 2020 23:20
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infernal machines posted:it isn't IYG if that's what you were expecting *DYP
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Jun 23, 2020 23:42
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prediction: apple will sell an arm mac mini and an apple tv, with the only difference between them being the OS and a couple of thunderbolt ports, at a $700+ price disparity
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Jun 23, 2020 23:53
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Clark Nova posted:prediction: apple will sell an arm mac mini and an apple tv, with the only difference between them being the OS and a couple of thunderbolt ports, at a $700+ price disparity if he's not putting them in the apple tv, what is tim going to do with all the leftover chips from the iphone from four years ago
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Jun 24, 2020 00:21
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Pinterest Mom posted:if he's not putting them in the apple tv, what is tim going to do with all the leftover chips from the iphone from four years ago ipod touch
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Clark Nova posted:prediction: apple will sell an arm mac mini and an apple tv, with the only difference between them being the OS and a couple of thunderbolt ports, at a $700+ price disparity the os wont be different
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I have trouble even considering what the benefits of Mac on Arm could be because I do not trust even a little bit that the current incarnation of Apple will deliver it with the necessary quality. Or maybe they’ve secretly been stashing all of their good engineers on this and the recent stuff they’ve been making GBS threads out has been interns and “rock stars” with 6 months of experience.
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Jun 24, 2020 01:33
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tk posted:I have trouble even considering what the benefits of Mac on Arm could be because I do not trust even a little bit that the current incarnation of Apple will deliver it with the necessary quality. hi have you heard of the i phone?
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tk posted:I have trouble even considering what the benefits of Mac on Arm could be because I do not trust even a little bit that the current incarnation of Apple will deliver it with the necessary quality. apple's mobile processors have been top notch and have delivered performance that nobody else has been able to hit - they've out engineered intel, amd, qualcomm, ti, and everyone else that makes arm processors. its actually very impressive.
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Jun 24, 2020 01:39
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Apple poached THE top engineer from ARM last year and has over 1000 engineers dedicated to iphone SOC tech alone but yeah I don't think they could pull off an arm laptop
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Jun 24, 2020 01:40
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iphones have IR-based depth mapped AR camera apps and most macbooks do spreadsheets
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Jun 24, 2020 02:00
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tk posted:I have trouble even considering what the benefits of Mac on Arm could be pretend I quoted that post several pages back about apple doing more stock buybacks instead of writing checks to intel. The problem this addresses isn’t technological
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hobbesmaster posted:apple's mobile processors have been top notch and have delivered performance that nobody else has been able to hit - they've out engineered intel, amd, qualcomm, ti, and everyone else that makes arm processors. its actually very impressive. I’m sure the chips will be great. It’s the software that I’m concerned about.
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Clark Nova posted:pretend I quoted that post several pages back about apple doing more stock buybacks instead of writing checks to intel. The problem this addresses isn’t technological my understanding is that intel sucks rear end at making chips that run fast, don't draw a lot of power, and don't have speculative/proven hw vulns so i'm pretty sure apple is going to make a macbook that runs photoshop acceptably for the first time in years
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uncurable mlady posted:my understanding is that intel sucks rear end at making chips that run fast, don't draw a lot of power, and don't have speculative/proven hw vulns so i'm pretty sure apple is going to make a macbook that runs photoshop acceptably for the first time in years by running the ipad pro version, but it still counts
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hobbesmaster posted:by running the ipad pro version, but it still counts its 2020, if youre not cheating to win, are you even trying
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if its anything like the PPC to x86 change you’ll certainly *feel* like it’s getting faster over the next few years as the emulation layer gets replaced with native software. and as someone who was worked on smartphone and tablet SoCs for the last 10 years, apple is hard to compete with because they aren’t always constrained by die area like a chip manufacturer. they’re making money on the whole device and the ecosystem that comes with it, so if they need to they can make an SoC that wouldn’t be profitable for an Intel or Qualcomm. i’m sure the end goal is to reduce the SoC cost as a line item on the whole BOM, but they can definitely afford to throw more transistors at it for a few generations if that’s what is called for.
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tk posted:I’m sure the chips will be great. It’s the software that I’m concerned about. apple's recent software quality issues don't have anything to do with the processor said software is running on, and it's doubtful that changing what target they're compiling for will have much impact watched a wwdc vid that was an apple engineer presenting the common porting issues apple encountered in its own mac apps and it was mostly pretty banal stuff by far the most spicy thing was "watch out for race conditions that intel's strong memory ordering model was hiding from you"
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BobHoward posted:apple's recent software quality issues don't have anything to do with the processor said software is running on i think this was actually the point of the person you quoted
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BobHoward posted:by far the most spicy thing was "watch out for race conditions that intel's strong memory ordering model was hiding from you" this is going to bite every dummy that uses “volatile” in their app.
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EIDE Van Hagar posted:if its anything like the PPC to x86 change you’ll certainly *feel* like it’s getting faster over the next few years as the emulation layer gets replaced with native software. this is a point few people understand. Apple chips are huge, and it’s a massive advantage. silicon vendors are in the business of selling the least amount of silicon for the most money. a good way to optimize that is to make a smaller chip that has a higher clock speed. after all, battery life and thermal overhead are the customer’s problem, not theirs. Apple’s goal is to maximize battery life and reduce heat, and they’re willing to pay for it in die size.
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The Management posted:this is going to bite every dummy that uses “volatile” in their app. lol if that's much of a thing only people writing device drivers should ever consider using "volatile", imo, and you don't use it for (fake) thread safety there
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The Management posted:this is going to bite every dummy that uses “volatile” in their app. I’m extremely glad I’ve never used it because it’s spooky
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when typing "volatile" a little popup should come up in every ide and text editor that says "is this for an ISR?"
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The Management posted:this is a point few people understand. Apple chips are huge, and it’s a massive advantage. doesn't this mean that apple could potentially start binning down chips and further increase the efficiency of moving to their own silicon You know like, A14ZZ is the 15 inch one that runs 4ghz with 8 cores and 8gpu cores, and just slowly bin it down as things test faulty to the A14B for the iPhone SE 2022.
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SRQ posted:could potentially start lol
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