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Polaron posted:I know I've asked this before but why the gently caress are chuds so obsessed with this woman? She posts about them being chuds.
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Jun 24, 2020 04:27
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Vincent posted:Add one more to the pile. Not egregious, but certainly harassment. Her story is absolutely hilarious in a way, and terribly terrifying. Here is a grown man that thinks he has some much cachet because he works in a marginalized entertainment medium that is a blip in the grand continuum of pop culture, that he thinks he can swoon a woman half his age to spend the night with him. That and offering some comic books in exchange for sexual gratification?! That is so bonkers and lame, it would be something the comic book nerd from Simpsons would come up with. It is like these people think they are rock stars. The terrifying part is that he probably succeeds some of the time. I am sure that in a few years they will make a romantic comedy about it, how one man's determination and never accepting defeat won him the love of his life (NOT!). I feel bad for the victims of his harassment, and possible dreams and careers he derailed or ended with his unprofessional behavior, and hope this systemic bullshit will go away, because it really makes me start hating the whole comics industry.
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Jun 24, 2020 04:36
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How Wonderful! posted:I don't think there's anything on the level of Chester Brown's vigorous apologia of Don't Ask Don't Tell style barely legal sex trafficking but I think it's clear that lives a highly stylized and peculiar life that indicates his life and his work dovetailing down into the same nostalgia-hole.
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Jun 24, 2020 14:29
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Just putting this in here in case someone needed to find out still.JakeP posted:
Watch out, that thread gets very NSFW very fast.
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Jun 24, 2020 15:37
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IUG posted:Just putting this in here in case someone needed to find out still. Yeah. I clicked on the last page at the time to see if anything new had been added and realized A) that no, there wasn't and it's pointless to look and B) it's good once in a while I live alone.
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Jun 24, 2020 15:38
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The industry terribleness is coming from inside the forums! 
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Jun 24, 2020 16:21
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Dawgstar posted:Oh, wow. While not as relevant to the forum, that's also bad news about Myke Cole whose novels I've heard good things about. Myke owns up to his fuckups, at least. https://mobile.twitter.com/MykeCole/status/1275580398135914497
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Ornamented Death posted:Myke owns up to his fuckups, at least. And the guy who shut him down was his friend Sam Sykes, which makes me feel a whole lot better because Sam is my favorite fantasy author going right now.
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Jun 24, 2020 21:06
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https://twitter.com/ShawnaGore/status/1275921105773969410 https://twitter.com/NotLasers/status/1275927639807660034 https://twitter.com/artofmmignola/status/1275929084351049728 First two tweets are threads. Not the first time for Scott Allie, but I believe the first time people have spoken out about how widespread it was at work on the record.
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Jun 25, 2020 01:05
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Oh hey, Mignola finally disowned him. Only took ten years or so.
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Jun 25, 2020 01:44
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Good loving god. That's beyond the pale.
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Jun 25, 2020 01:57
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Dawgstar posted:And the guy who shut him down was his friend Sam Sykes, which makes me feel a whole lot better because Sam is my favorite fantasy author going right now. https://twitter.com/MeganEOKeefe/status/1275940451300765696?s=20
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Jun 25, 2020 02:17
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Jun 25, 2020 13:10
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Do these people get into the industry for the purpose of going to hotel bars at conventions and harassing women?
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Jun 26, 2020 06:43
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Nessus posted:Do these people get into the industry for the purpose of going to hotel bars at conventions and harassing women? I had no idea writing comics was that hot.
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Jun 26, 2020 09:19
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Not funny, dogg.
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Jun 26, 2020 12:15
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No really, do people swoon at xmen writers? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rhyno posted:No really, do people swoon at xmen writers? You should go find where Lowtax is hanging out and ask if the women he abused let him do it because they thought he was hot. He could probably do with a chuckle. I'd tell you to learn to read the room but you've always been a loving creep and I don't think anyone has ever bought into your performative hand-wringing. Gravy Jones fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Jun 26, 2020 |
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Jun 26, 2020 14:13
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Rhyno posted:No really, do people swoon at xmen writers? What's your loving problem?
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Jun 26, 2020 14:26
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Rhyno posted:No really, do people swoon at xmen writers? Dig up.
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Jun 26, 2020 14:50
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Rhyno posted:No really, do people swoon at xmen writers? Predatory behavior doesn't happen because predators are super sexy, it happens when people with power leverage it over people without power, in direct or indirect ways. It happens when people know that they have status or professional privileges that allow them to get away with things they otherwise couldn't-- either from people looking the other way, enforcing a culture of silence, or just not giving a poo poo. This is especially prevalent and pernicious in industries where the line between fan and pro is permeable and blurry-- when getting a big break means having ties with established people and the fostering of new talent is predicated on mentorships that are often unofficial and poorly documented/held to vague standards of accountability. It makes it very very very easy for people with bad intention to groom naive younger people that may be convinced that if they speak out or say no they'll be throwing their career away. It's something I saw over and over again in academia and in poetry culture and it breaks my heart to see again in comics. It's really not something to joke about.
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How Wonderful! posted:Predatory behavior doesn't happen because predators are super sexy, it happens when people with power leverage it over people without power, in direct or indirect ways. It happens when people know that they have status or professional privileges that allow them to get away with things they otherwise couldn't-- either from people looking the other way, enforcing a culture of silence, or just not giving a poo poo. This is especially prevalent and pernicious in industries where the line between fan and pro is permeable and blurry-- when getting a big break means having ties with established people and the fostering of new talent is predicated on mentorships that are often unofficial and poorly documented/held to vague standards of accountability. It makes it very very very easy for people with bad intention to groom naive younger people that may be convinced that if they speak out or say no they'll be throwing their career away. I would hope by now everyone is aware the specific industry doesn't matter anywhere those power structures exist there exist abusers at some level. Kind of the core issue with male dominated industries; people say just hire more women/minorities but the missing context is they have to play by the institutional "bro code" or they get tossed in favor of the next capable person and so on. Even for non sexual assault stuff 99% of the time its "Well I saw/dealt with worse when I came up you should be able to deal with this" so for all kinds of horrible behavior and verbal abuse you either accept it or they bounce you for not fitting in.
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Jun 26, 2020 15:31
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Cole and Sykes's twitter accounts are nearly as bad as Chuck Wendig's so lol
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How Wonderful! posted:It's something I saw over and over again in academia and in poetry culture and it breaks my heart to see again in comics. It's really not something to joke about. I'd also add here that convention culture has been a snake pit since at least the '70s, in every industry that hosts one. The entire environment is a breeding ground for bad decisions and predatory behavior, particularly once the show's over and people start getting drunk.
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Wanderer posted:I'd also add here that convention culture has been a snake pit since at least the '70s, in every industry that hosts one. The entire environment is a breeding ground for bad decisions and predatory behavior, particularly once the show's over and people start getting drunk. Yeah. After I quit drinking I began to notice how much of the networking at professional conferences and stuff I went to was explicitly oriented around people doing high-pressure and stressful stuff at weird hours and then immediately being expected to go and get drunk with strangers holding institutional power over them. Individual abusers are absolutely unquestionably responsible for their own bad behavior but American professionalism is also 100% structured in such a way as to facilitate predatory behavior.
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Jun 26, 2020 19:15
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How Wonderful! posted:Yeah. After I quit drinking I began to notice how much of the networking at professional conferences and stuff I went to was explicitly oriented around people doing high-pressure and stressful stuff at weird hours and then immediately being expected to go and get drunk with strangers holding institutional power over them. Individual abusers are absolutely unquestionably responsible for their own bad behavior but American professionalism is also 100% structured in such a way as to facilitate predatory behavior. The Natural Products Expo West is referred to as Expo Sex because its mostly just people getting drunk and loving the whole time; all the serious business connections and deals are done at Expo East in Germany.
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How Wonderful! posted:It's something I saw over and over again in academia and in poetry culture and it breaks my heart to see again in comics. It's really not something to joke about. It's a phenomenon I've also seen in academia and creative writing, along with the local standup scene here, and what's particularly sad in the cases I know is how everyone else puts so much effort into those fields for *free* or *peanuts* but someone always has to turn what should be an amicable community into power games and ego trips. Sometimes the question pops up if canceling and divestment are worth losing the genius talents of our time when the real question should be, are they worth kicking so many other people out?
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Space Fish posted:It's a phenomenon I've also seen in academia and creative writing, along with the local standup scene here, and what's particularly sad in the cases I know is how everyone else puts so much effort into those fields for *free* or *peanuts* but someone always has to turn what should be an amicable community into power games and ego trips. Yeah, like every single one of these, one writer or artist being an rear end hat to women has cost the community a bunch of other creators.I liked Northlanders, but how many other books don't exist because Brian Woods thought getting drunk and trying cheat on his pregnant wife was a brilliant idea? Fake Edit: Obviously not the worst part of all this, but I loving hate that the Warren Ellis stuff came out immediately after I got a bunch of issues of Injection but before I read it, so now it's just sitting there, unread and making me feel guilty.
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How Wonderful! posted:Yeah. After I quit drinking I began to notice how much of the networking at professional conferences and stuff I went to was explicitly oriented around people doing high-pressure and stressful stuff at weird hours and then immediately being expected to go and get drunk with strangers holding institutional power over them. Individual abusers are absolutely unquestionably responsible for their own bad behavior but American professionalism is also 100% structured in such a way as to facilitate predatory behavior.
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Jun 26, 2020 23:30
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Skwirl posted:
What is there to be guilty about?
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Good thread by Gail https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1276207466661863425?s=20
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Hey all, I'm unstickying this for the time being since it isn't as active as it used to be. I still think it's a valuable resource and a really unique discursive space and above all a good centralized space for informing and disclosing abuse and other bad behaviors in the industry, so if you feel strongly that it should remain stickied let me know.
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Jun 29, 2020 21:26
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That was a monumentally bad post on my part and I apologize to everyone for being a tone deaf idiot.
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https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1278075147375849473/photo/1
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