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I think Sonic Colors was a step in the right direction but it traded the bugs for tedium. I just didn't find it fun to play for the most of it.
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MikeJF posted:I'm often reminded with sonic about the story how during the very early development of Mario 64, after they had the basic movement and engine in-place, they made a simple little garden maze environment and then Miyamoto spent many months doing nothing but controlling Mario around that garden, chasing the golden rabbit and interacting with objects and obstacles and fine-tuning and experimenting with the movement system over and over and over until the movement in 3D space felt natural and proper. Trying out ideas, using what worked, discarding what didn't, so on. Eh, I’ll give them more credit then that. They clearly tried with Adventure 1 and it was fine for a first shot. It’s just that the later games haven’t improved much more as they should have.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Eh, I’ll give them more credit then that. They clearly tried with Adventure 1 and it was fine for a first shot. It’s just that the later games haven’t improved much more as they should have. They tried with Adventure, but it was more that they tried everything with adventure, instead of refining heavily on one thing. Adventure is seven first drafts instead of one final draft.
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They refined it down to three playstyles in SA2, and it still sucked so I dunno.
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that's cause they actively made two of them and the camera even worse though
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Jun 11, 2020 05:19
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https://twitter.com/ign/status/1270824351772729345?s=21 I am super happy that Alex Kidd is getting a new game  Hopefully the years he spent as a Cashier in Segagaga didn’t embitter him.
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MJeff posted:Sonic Team's refusal to iterate is their most frustrating habit. I'd suggest the problem is to Sega Sonic is first and foremost a brand, and not a series of coherent gameplay concepts. Whereas Mario has always been defined in 2D or 3D by its tight controls and intuitive platforming, 3D Sonic never even tried to carry forward to gameplay philosophy of the original games and really just zeroed in on the aesthetics and anime plotting. So there's no mechanical foundation for these games to exist on, Sonic's core gameplay has been heavily revised several times and honestly has never been good enough to hang a game on and Sega rather than going back to the drawing board and actually trying to reinterpret the classic 2D gameplay into a 3D environment and work from there just keeps throwing out gimmicks and shallow reinventions. In the other hand, Robo Blast 2 owns. Kind of funny some rando fans hit the nail on the head way back in the 90s whilst Sega keeps going 'uh okay... what if Sonic were a vampire now?!?' No Dignity fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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Jun 11, 2020 09:07
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I partly blame the failure of 3D Sonic on not using the villain's proper name anymore.
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Groovelord Neato posted:I partly blame the failure of 3D Sonic on not using the villain's proper name anymore. His name has always been Eggman in Japan so this doesn't even work as a joke 
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Jun 11, 2020 18:59
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So what are the Japanese lines for that initial exchange in Sonic Adventure? "I am DOCTOR ROBOTNIK!" "Whatever you say, EGGMAN." Because that obviously doesn't work if he already calls himself Eggman.
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Jun 11, 2020 19:16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdsaHO-nUG4
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Jun 11, 2020 19:23
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Nostalgamus posted:So what are the Japanese lines for that initial exchange in Sonic Adventure? It's the same. In Sonic Adventure they combined the two so Ivo Robotnik is his actual name and Eggman is his alias/nickname
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Jun 11, 2020 19:32
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I’m fine with them using both names now like they do.
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lol the shirt
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Nostalgamus posted:So what are the Japanese lines for that initial exchange in Sonic Adventure? I believe in the Japanese version he calls himself Dr. Eggman and Sonic’s comeback line is something different. However, in SA2 his grandfather is called Gerald Robotnik in both versions. Therefore, you could say that both names are canon (his real name is Robotnik but he goes by Eggman). On a similar note, the whole “Dr. Robotnik!” “Nobody calls me that anymore” exchange in Generations was also changed in the Japanese version. Instead I believe it goes something like this: Classic Tails: Two Eggmans?! Classic Eggman: You seem confused, allow me to explain... Larryb fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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Jun 11, 2020 19:44
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Sonic's like "Doctor Eggman!" and he says something "That's super genius Dr Eggman-sama!" Boring and trope-y as all hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g91eoeHM2c&t=859s
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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/movies-and-tv/collection/top-deals-gamer-flicks-up-to-40-off/fs_gamerflicksale If you buy any of the featured movies on this Microsoft sale, they'll send a code for an Xbox copy of Sonic Mania. The cheapest ones were things like The Last Starfighter, The Wizard, and Street Fighter for $5. Listed prices on the sales page in most cases are the cost for a rental. The Sonic movie is on there for $12.99
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Aaron Webber has moved on from the position of Sonic Social Media https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/1273660121986420736
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He went a bit overboard on the memes sometimes but he’s a good guy who did wonders for the brand. I wonder if his new position within Sega is a creative role? He had a hand in getting Mania and the Hesse shorts made after all.
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SeANMcBAY posted:I like the boost gameplay. I thought the classic Sonic sections of Generations were actually the weakest parts so I’ll give it a shot. In that case you may not like Colours, most of that game is side-view - not classic, because Sonic has all the modern moves and wisp powers and so on, but there's not a whole lot of 3D in that game.
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Yeah that's Colours' equivalent to the werehog padding between 3d boost bits. Just, they all actually play really well and feel like a natural part of the game, and it can shift back and forth between the two easily, it's not some entirely different Thing cronenburged onto the good bits.
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now that the forums are dying can we finally agree that sonic mania kind of peaks with press garden.
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I am optimistic about the forums future and thus will fight you over the idea that any aspect of Mania could be less than perfect
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Stairmaster posted:now that the forums are dying can we finally agree that sonic mania kind of peaks with press garden. it peaks with me listening to metallic madness act 2 on repeat forever
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Titanic Monarch is where the level design kinda falls to its worse impulses regarding stage length. I have never died from time in a Sonic game until that stage.
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Sonic 3 and Knuckles is better than Sonic Mania, which is just a lovingly crafted imitation.
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sharrrk posted:it peaks with me listening to metallic madness act 2 on repeat forever Screaming Idiot posted:Sonic 3 and Knuckles is better than Sonic Mania, which is just a lovingly crafted imitation. You don't need to put it down just because it couldn't surpass the highest peak.
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Pants Donkey posted:Titanic Monarch is where the level design kinda falls to its worse impulses regarding stage length. I have never died from time in a Sonic game until that stage. The end of the game had less refinement time than the earlier levels during development, I think. Maybe next time they'll work backwards. Or outside-in. Also I think the time thing specifically in titanic monarch came about because it's almost easy to forget that time is a thing in Sonic games. And then they were making levels that were long enough that it was a factor, but because they were familiar enough with them, they didn't realise it. If Mania 2 were to ever happen, it wouldn't surprise me if they just dropped the time limit altogether for everything except the scoring. Or just go to three Sonic-2-sized acts instead of two Sonic-Mania-sized ones, although that might not play nice with the way that they tend to have substantial art and setting changes between each act. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jun 27, 2020 |
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Screaming Idiot posted:Sonic 3 and Knuckles is better than Sonic Mania, which is just a lovingly crafted imitation. This is true but it’s still very good.
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Oxyclean posted:I think I might like Act 1 more, but yeah. Not putting it down, but S3&K was a masterpiece and I will use all my political clout to oust the vagabond who dares to suggest otherwise. Also, it's not hard to be better than Sonic CD.
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stairmaster is a known troll who spends all his days in a weed cloud talking poo poo about leftists on a podcast so id take his opinions on sonic games with a grain of salt and several live rounds.
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I would pay a lot of money for a Sonic 3 Complete style release with widescreen.
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Mania would be better than 3&K if it wasn’t 2/3 retreads of older zones.
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I was playing some Mania yesterday and i think that game's Lava Reef Act 2 might be my favorite stage in the series from an aesthetic perspective. the cooler colour palette combined with the music is so good
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Pants Donkey posted:Mania would be better than 3&K if it wasn’t 2/3 retreads of older zones. I love Mania but I’m not sure they would be up to the task of making a game of entirely original levels to that standard. Mania also has a really weak final boss imo compared to 3K.
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Lava Reef certainly had the best music in the game. And that's not like a backhanded compliment that the original stuff doesn't measure up or whatever. The music and the aesthetic as I played Lava Reef, I just felt genuinely so happy as I played that level. It was incredible.
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SeANMcBAY posted:I would pay a lot of money for a Sonic 3 Complete style release with widescreen. 
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Sonic 3 AIR is basically the definitive version of the game for me now https://sonic3air.org/
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