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I think I'd rather have an imaginary Nazi car than a Tesla.
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Jul 3, 2020 18:48
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LongDarkNight posted:I think I'd rather have an imaginary Nazi car than a Tesla. Semantics
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Jul 3, 2020 18:52
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Acebuckeye13 posted:A song as timeless as Mississippi is terrible: I knew what this was before I clicked on it, but I did anyway. Maybe we should redeploy the 101st Airborne and 2nd Infantry to Mississippi, seems like we didn't get it right the first time.
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Jul 3, 2020 19:04
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A group of 40 of the top of the class of the last two years of westpoint grads have wrote a letter to leadership explaining in detail how west point is failing to eliminate racism at both the institution and the army at large. https://www.slideshare.net/TimothyBerry8/an-anti-racist-west-point
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Jul 3, 2020 19:25
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Beepity Boop posted:CNN reporting that Vanessa Guillen's family had told their lawyer that she "had planned to file a harassment complaint against Robinson the day after she was killed, and that they believe Robinson became enraged when she told him that." Worded really wonky, but it sounds they're saying like she told Robinson (the one who killed himself when police confronted him) that she was going to file harassment against him, so he killed her to prevent that. This has been doing the rounds, no idea of the veracity of it though 
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Jul 3, 2020 19:30
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Mr. Nice! posted:A group of 40 of the top of the class of the last two years of westpoint grads have wrote a letter to leadership explaining in detail how west point is failing to eliminate racism at both the institution and the army at large. I realize that in the context it makes sense because they are alumni talking to their college, but I also think it's weird that they make sure the audience knows they were "First Captain", "Class President", or "Crew Team Captain". Your title is Second Lieutenant, you probably have a billet leading living-and-breathing Soldiers if you graduated in 2019, and if that isn't a greater honorific to your target audience, then I see a problem. I mean, one that's secondary to the racism endemic to our military academies, but maybe ring-knocking fraternity holding sway over organizational service is part of it.
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Jul 3, 2020 20:02
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Al Bundy isn't a hero for graduating from Polk High School, he's a hero for throwing four touchdowns in the city championship against Andrew Johnson High and it's star/his nemesis "Spare Tire" Dixon, including the game-winning TD.
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Jul 3, 2020 20:07
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piL posted:I realize that in the context it makes sense because they are alumni talking to their college, but I also think it's weird that they make sure the audience knows they were "First Captain", "Class President", or "Crew Team Captain". Your title is Second Lieutenant, you probably have a billet leading living-and-breathing Soldiers if you graduated in 2019, and if that isn't a greater honorific to your target audience, then I see a problem. I mean, one that's secondary to the racism endemic to our military academies, but maybe ring-knocking fraternity holding sway over organizational service is part of it. When I was a PL I was the only officer that wasn't from West Point in my company, this is how these dudes talk to each other. Fresh West Pointers definitely have a few years to shed off all of that awkwardness as they get more exposed to the real world.
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Jul 3, 2020 20:23
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piL posted:I realize that in the context it makes sense because they are alumni talking to their college, but I also think it's weird that they make sure the audience knows they were "First Captain", "Class President", or "Crew Team Captain". Your title is Second Lieutenant, you probably have a billet leading living-and-breathing Soldiers if you graduated in 2019, and if that isn't a greater honorific to your target audience, then I see a problem. I mean, one that's secondary to the racism endemic to our military academies, but maybe ring-knocking fraternity holding sway over organizational service is part of it. They're saying they were exceptionally achieving minorities and yet still victim of racism. Military command is full of ignorant assholes who believe they run a fair meritocracy. BIPOC have to keep two levels above barely average to succeed, and STILL face dumb poo poo like this. We're gaslighted because white people by and large believe we live in a post racial society and will constantly reinforce the narratives that gently caress us over. Below average white dudes cruise along, BIPOC have to "prove themselves" just to be competitive against the average do nothing. I started a few arguments about this in my old unit. Plenty of women and minorites deal with harsher criticism than white counterparts for being "average". It's hard to prove that. Easier to show that even if you get everything right, people still poo poo on you because you're not white. Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jul 3, 2020 |
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Jul 3, 2020 20:52
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https://twitter.com/MalwareJake/status/1279143144970432512?s=20
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Jul 3, 2020 21:04
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Mustang posted:When I was a PL I was the only officer that wasn't from West Point in my company, this is how these dudes talk to each other. Fresh West Pointers definitely have a few years to shed off all of that awkwardness as they get more exposed to the real world. My dad was struggling with that to his dying day despite retiring O-6, exactly thirty years to the day from graduating from West Point. Then again he got in with Officer’s Christian Fellowship in the late 70’s, so you can extrapolate a lot of things from there.
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Jul 3, 2020 21:15
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Wasabi the J posted:They're saying they were exceptionally achieving minorities and yet still victim of racism. Military command is full of ignorant assholes who believe they run a fair meritocracy. This makes sense, and the intended audience can probably recognize that since they've interacted with these people. I let my frustration with how the academies affect our culture take precedence there.
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Jul 3, 2020 21:17
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anyone that wants to attend an academy instead of a normal college has something wrong with their brain
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Jul 3, 2020 21:21
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PookBear posted:anyone that wants to attend an academy instead of a normal college has something wrong with their brain Eh. If you do so based on the fact that the scholarship covers room and board and tuition and you get paid while you're there, I think you're making a defensible position--one I wouldn't take myself, but one rooted in rational thought. I wonder what percentage of academy-goers are in that spot?
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Jul 3, 2020 21:24
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PookBear posted:anyone that wants to attend an academy instead of a normal college has something wrong with their brain The alure of the Ring is a powerful force.
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Jul 3, 2020 21:24
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The N6 at my sea duty command said he felt good when after working with him for a year I asked him what University he went to and I told him he was the only normal well adjusted Naval Academy officer I worked for
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Jul 3, 2020 21:34
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PookBear posted:anyone that wants to attend an academy instead of a normal college has something wrong with their brain Hey! My brain is very normal for someone abused most of their lives!
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Jul 3, 2020 21:36
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piL posted:Eh. If you do so based on the fact that the scholarship covers room and board and tuition and you get paid while you're there, I think you're making a defensible position--one I wouldn't take myself, but one rooted in rational thought. ROTC covers tuition and you get paid while you're there and you also live like a normal adult human being instead of a man-child. A reminder: service academies are worse than useless and should be abolished.
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Jul 3, 2020 21:36
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I was in the process of applying to West Point to enter in the fall of 2003, but thankfully was not accepted, looking back. With who I was at the time I would not have made it at West Point at all or even the military at large despite growing up under a career West Point O-6 Officer. Plus, yknow, hindsight of not graduating West Point and hitting the regular army right as the surge was happening.
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Jul 3, 2020 21:39
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I think unless you're really well-off, going to an academy is way better for your long term career civilian wise, and in wealth. The civilian world reads 'West Point' and the like as equivalent to ivies in my experience (from seeing peers, I was def not an officer), and coming from an academy + 4 years of junior officer stuff looks great for either direct entry into the workforce or even better, a professional graduate degree program. My MBA class was full of guys like this who were younger than me and did not need to work hard for great offers. The civilian equivalent of that much resume glitter is a lot longer and comes with debt, and the ROTC version has less cachet with civilians unless you went to a great school (and if you are actually a super genius, why are you wasting your talent becoming an MBA)
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Jul 3, 2020 21:51
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I was wondering how many days before the grift started.
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Jul 3, 2020 21:55
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Stultus Maximus posted:ROTC covers tuition and you get paid while you're there and you also live like a normal adult human being instead of a man-child. I agree, and that's why I would choose it even if it means having to work and take on (some) debt, but I was coming from the point of view that NROTC doesn't pay rent (I just saw that Army does). Naval Academy does, and the pay you get from NROTC is also less than Army, so I understand why people choose Naval Academy over NROTC. Edit: I think, in theory, I wouldn't mind a military university system, to ensure we can routinely print officers as necessary and also to engage graduate work, but I think the lack of exposure of our officers to the civillian world in college, as well as to graduate level sciences is dangerous. I don't like how many STEM officers I run into for whom their science or engineering degree is a stepping stone to being a leader. It's good that we have this technical background to fall back on, but if it doesn't come with an intrinsic understanding of basic requirements to evidence a claim or the value of data, I wonder if a math test and a mechanics exam wouldn't do similar work. piL fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jul 3, 2020 |
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Jul 3, 2020 22:00
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piL posted:Eh. If you do so based on the fact that the scholarship covers room and board and tuition and you get paid while you're there, I think you're making a defensible position--one I wouldn't take myself, but one rooted in rational thought. You can also get a 4- year ROTC scholarship at a public university and also have a relatively normal social life without having to sit at attention during meals. efb
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Jul 3, 2020 22:03
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Godholio posted:You can also get a 4- year ROTC scholarship at a public university and also have a relatively normal social life without having to sit at attention during meals.  ThisI was told that I should only go to the academy if my idea of self-worth was tied to academy life. I am so eternally glad that I took that guy's advice and went to a big state school on scholarship instead.
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Jul 3, 2020 22:05
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Army ROTC has basically infinite money and it's a constant source of frustration for the other branches. On the other hand when you finish college you then have to join the Army, so there are some downsides.
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Jul 3, 2020 22:06
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Best Friends posted:I think unless you're really well-off, going to an academy is way better for your long term career civilian wise, and in wealth. The civilian world reads 'West Point' and the like as equivalent to ivies in my experience (from seeing peers, I was def not an officer), and coming from an academy + 4 years of junior officer stuff looks great for either direct entry into the workforce or even better, a professional graduate degree program. My MBA class was full of guys like this who were younger than me and did not need to work hard for great offers. The civilian equivalent of that much resume glitter is a lot longer and comes with debt, and the ROTC version has less cachet with civilians unless you went to a great school (and if you are actually a super genius, why are you wasting your talent becoming an MBA) Yeah but that's all it has going for it, that name recognition plus 2 centuries of alumni networking. It definitely doesn't translate to work quality. There can also be a lot of variation in that 4-5 years of junior officer experience. The guys that aren't trusted with responsibility will have a resume of like 6-12 months of PL time and then nothing but assistant to the assistant S3 for the rest of it, or some other job they can be placed in and not have to worry about them. I would take actual legitimate work experience in a difficult job over having West Point in my background though I will concede that West Pointers can slide by with a lot less effort like you say.
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Jul 3, 2020 22:44
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Stultus Maximus posted:ROTC covers tuition and you get paid while you're there and you also live like a normal adult human being instead of a man-child. The article (from the Federalist) says it's ultimately the fault of letting minorites and athletes (perhaps for him, minorites again) in, with a side of "but my tax cuts!"
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Jul 3, 2020 22:46
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joat mon posted:The article (from the Federalist) says it's ultimately the fault of letting minorites and athletes (perhaps for him, minorites again) in, with a side of "but my tax cuts!" There's a little of that in there but there's a lot more in there than just that.
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Jul 3, 2020 23:05
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Mustang posted:Yeah but that's all it has going for it, that name recognition plus 2 centuries of alumni networking. It definitely doesn't translate to work quality. just lol at any MBA program telling a west pointer or any other O-grade vet "hmmm, it says here you were only assistant S3, application denied"
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Jul 3, 2020 23:08
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Protestors in Montana including Souix people who technically own the land have blockaded the road to Mt. Rushmore with vans by parking sideways and taking off the wheels. Police have said it's an unlawful assembly and ordered people to disburse. They have not. So far no violence. Trump is supposed to arrive in 2 hours. e: there is another road up but will force people to divert another 15-20 minutes. No word on if there is a similar blockade over there. e2: here's a good person to follow: https://twitter.com/EEBormett/status/1279186342178586624
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Jul 3, 2020 23:54
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Mr. Nice! posted:Protestors in Montana including Souix people who technically own the land have blockaded the road to Mt. Rushmore with vans by parking sideways and taking off the wheels. Police have said it's an unlawful assembly and ordered people to disburse. They have not. So far no violence. Trump is supposed to arrive in 2 hours. Sounds like the president is already taking the long way.
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Jul 3, 2020 23:58
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQpWydz7J1Y livestream of the Donald J Trump-Mount Rushmore Independence Day event Currently on stage is an Abraham Lincoln cosplay
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Jul 3, 2020 23:58
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https://twitter.com/EEBormett/status/1279187481280331778
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Jul 4, 2020 00:00
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watch trump start a loving forest fire
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Jul 4, 2020 00:02
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I worked a couple of weeks at the beginning of this month in South Dakota. I stayed in Rapid City and worked in a couple of small towns around the Black Hills area (Spearfish and Edgemont are the ones I can name off the top of my head). The atmosphere of chuddy hostility was absolutely off the charts up there, there is no way this ends without police violence
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Jul 4, 2020 00:05
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US Berder Patrol posted:I worked a couple of weeks at the beginning of this month in South Dakota. I stayed in Rapid City and worked in a couple of small towns around the Black Hills area (Spearfish and Edgemont are the ones I can name off the top of my head). The atmosphere of chuddy hostility was absolutely off the charts up there, there is no way this ends without police violence https://twitter.com/EEBormett/status/1279188723415027713 Yeah this is about to get nasty. https://twitter.com/EEBormett/status/1279189116186394624
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Jul 4, 2020 00:07
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https://twitter.com/SDPBNews/status/1279190348972072960
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Jul 4, 2020 00:10
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The National Guard is on scene. https://twitter.com/EEBormett/status/1279190930826973185
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Jul 4, 2020 00:12
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Livestream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgq0qbzYBtE
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Jul 4, 2020 00:15
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Mt. Rushmore was the most incredibly disappointing thing I've ever seen (outside of looking in the mirror) and there were fireworks when I went. I can't wait for this to be a giant anti-climax.
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