F1 2020: like accounting, losses are in red

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Wirth1000: May 12, 2010; #essereFerrari

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# ? Jul 4, 2020 00:57

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 11:25

GramCracker: Oct 8, 2005; beauty by stroll

the paradigm shift posted:

rbr told to gently caress off

skipped a couple of unimportant pages

Never underestimate how much this triggers quid

# ? Jul 4, 2020 01:13

Custard Undies: Jan 7, 2006; #essereFerrari

You just know the FIA had this prewritten and ready to go.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 01:23

ATP_Power: Jun 12, 2010; This is what fascinates me most in existence: the peculiar necessity of imagining what is, in fact, real.

Did Merc bring DAS-equipped cars to Austria?

# ? Jul 4, 2020 01:25

Tony quidprano: Jan 19, 2014; IM SO BAD AT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT F1 IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY SOME DUDE WITH TOO MUCH FREE MONEY WILL KEEP CHANGING IT UNTIL I SHUT THE FUCK UP OR ACTUALLY POST SOMETHING THAT ISNT SPEWING HATE/SLURS/TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES

GramCracker posted:

Never underestimate how much this triggers quid

It�s dumb that they didn�t define what the gently caress steering is which makes the whole regulation void but they didn�t so it�s void 🤷🏼‍♂️

# ? Jul 4, 2020 01:25

the paradigm shift: Jan 18, 2006

ATP_Power posted:

Did Merc bring DAS-equipped cars to Austria?

yeah both bottas and lewis used it in practice so far

# ? Jul 4, 2020 01:28

Zeta Acosta: Dec 16, 2019; #essereFerrari

the fia letting mercedes cheat? im shocked!

# ? Jul 4, 2020 01:49

Literally Lewis Hamilton: Feb 22, 2005

The entire sport of f1 is trying to legally cheat via loopholes, if you don�t embrace this you�re doing it wrong

# ? Jul 4, 2020 02:11

GramCracker: Oct 8, 2005; beauty by stroll

the corona quid posted:

It�s dumb that they didn�t define what the gently caress steering is which makes the whole regulation void but they didn�t so it�s void 🤷🏼‍♂️

See:

big crush on Chad OMG posted:

The entire sport of f1 is trying to legally cheat via loopholes, if you don�t embrace this you�re doing it wrong

# ? Jul 4, 2020 02:15

Khablam: Mar 29, 2012

big crush on Chad OMG posted:

The entire sport of f1 is trying to legally cheat via loopholes, if you don’t embrace this you’re doing it wrong

Typically when someone is cheating via a loophole, they get told "oh how funny and convenient you read it that way, no, clearly that's not right, stop doing that".
It's pretty dumb for them to say "lol I guess we didn't actually say what steering is, so you can cheat until we define it.... Next year".

The argument against allowing it is always the same simple logic. Once one team is doing the dumb thing, they'll all have to develop the same dumb thing (a financial burden) and then everyone is on equal footing again.

It's incredibly moronic that in a year emphasizing upcoming budget caps, and with work hampered by mandatory social distancing rules, they've said "you now all need to go and make this dumb loophole work on your car for the next 8ish races, because we, the governing body of a Motorsport, never actually thought to write down what steering means"

# ? Jul 4, 2020 02:31

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester: Oct 3, 2000

It is the determination of the stewards that driver number 44, Lewis Hamilton, is blessed and still rises

# ? Jul 4, 2020 03:04

Full Collapse: Dec 4, 2002

#blessed

# ? Jul 4, 2020 03:06

Tony quidprano: Jan 19, 2014; IM SO BAD AT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT F1 IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY SOME DUDE WITH TOO MUCH FREE MONEY WILL KEEP CHANGING IT UNTIL I SHUT THE FUCK UP OR ACTUALLY POST SOMETHING THAT ISNT SPEWING HATE/SLURS/TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES

Khablam posted:

Typically when someone is cheating via a loophole, they get told "oh how funny and convenient you read it that way, no, clearly that's not right, stop doing that".
It's pretty dumb for them to say "lol I guess we didn't actually say what steering is, so you can cheat until we define it.... Next year".

The argument against allowing it is always the same simple logic. Once one team is doing the dumb thing, they'll all have to develop the same dumb thing (a financial burden) and then everyone is on equal footing again.

It's incredibly moronic that in a year emphasizing upcoming budget caps, and with work hampered by mandatory social distancing rules, they've said "you now all need to go and make this dumb loophole work on your car for the next 8ish races, because we, the governing body of a Motorsport, never actually thought to write down what steering means"

Pretty much this. It�s also why while I hope the new rules work I�m ridiculously skeptical.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 03:15

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Khablam posted:

Typically when someone is cheating via a loophole, they get told "oh how funny and convenient you read it that way, no, clearly that's not right, stop doing that".
It's pretty dumb for them to say "lol I guess we didn't actually say what steering is, so you can cheat until we define it.... Next year".

The argument against allowing it is always the same simple logic. Once one team is doing the dumb thing, they'll all have to develop the same dumb thing (a financial burden) and then everyone is on equal footing again.

It's incredibly moronic that in a year emphasizing upcoming budget caps, and with work hampered by mandatory social distancing rules, they've said "you now all need to go and make this dumb loophole work on your car for the next 8ish races, because we, the governing body of a Motorsport, never actually thought to write down what steering means"

They also outright admitted that changing the toe angle directly affects the suspension but then went "but we're not going to call you out on that."

# ? Jul 4, 2020 03:22

Tony quidprano: Jan 19, 2014; IM SO BAD AT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT F1 IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY SOME DUDE WITH TOO MUCH FREE MONEY WILL KEEP CHANGING IT UNTIL I SHUT THE FUCK UP OR ACTUALLY POST SOMETHING THAT ISNT SPEWING HATE/SLURS/TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES

MustardFacial posted:

They also outright admitted that changing the toe angle directly affects the suspension but then went "but we're not going to call you out on that."

I said before that moving the steering rack is the very definition of changing the steering. But if they�re too god drat stupid to actually define that then Mercedes deserves it.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 03:28

GramCracker: Oct 8, 2005; beauty by stroll

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

It is the determination of the stewards that driver number 44, Lewis Hamilton, is blessed and still rises

Sounds like a good call on the Stewards� part

# ? Jul 4, 2020 03:30

Dynamite Dog: Dec 12, 2012

lol at tombazis getting to be the tech delegate for that one

double lol that liuzzi got a win in 2020 f1

# ? Jul 4, 2020 03:44

Zeta Acosta: Dec 16, 2019; #essereFerrari

formula 1 is bad

# ? Jul 4, 2020 05:14

MustardFacial: Jun 20, 2011; George Russel's
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the corona quid posted:

I said before that moving the steering rack is the very definition of changing the steering. But if they’re too god drat stupid to actually define that then Mercedes deserves it.

Changing the toe angle of the wheel has traditionally always been linked with tuning the suspension. It's not the method of how they did it that is the issue here, it's the end result.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 05:50

paul_soccer12: Jan 5, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

Death to racing point

# ? Jul 4, 2020 07:44

MustardFacial: Jun 20, 2011; George Russel's
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paul_soccer12 posted:

Death to racing point

This, but Mercedes

# ? Jul 4, 2020 08:08

Theophany: Jul 22, 2014; SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO

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Zeta Acosta posted:

the fia letting mercedes cheat? im shocked!

# ? Jul 4, 2020 09:06

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

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# ? Jul 4, 2020 10:02

The Croc: Dec 19, 2004; A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird!

OH YEAH!

I wish the stewards had been all drivers the red bull programme had hosed off after a couple of seasons and Mark Webber.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 10:47

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Christian Horner is telling Sky that Red Bull protested the Mercedes DAS so everybody could have clarity on the legality of the system, how very kind of them

# ? Jul 4, 2020 11:09

Skarsnik: Oct 21, 2008; I...AM...RUUUDE!

Williams still doing top work then

# ? Jul 4, 2020 11:26

Literally Lewis Hamilton: Feb 22, 2005

The Croc posted:

I wish the stewards had been all drivers the red bull programme had hosed off after a couple of seasons and Mark Webber.

What

# ? Jul 4, 2020 11:44

Khablam: Mar 29, 2012

Sorry, my first attempt at a markov bot.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 11:50

Solus: May 31, 2011; Drongos.

Lmao @ Latifi already binning it

# ? Jul 4, 2020 11:56

Zeta Acosta: Dec 16, 2019; #essereFerrari

Fighting for third with loving Stroll Grand Prix Racing. Just loving cancel the season and ban Ferrari from motorsport.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 12:03

Tsaedje: May 11, 2007; BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE

The stewards' ruling is very clear in explaining that DAS is a steering system and steering systems must be exempt from the rules around moveable aero and suspension changes because otherwise steering would be illegal, which is ridiculous. The exact thing that we concluded would be the case in testing. It's not complicated and it's not cheating to find a loophole.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 12:44

NtotheTC: Dec 31, 2007

But I don't WANT Mercedes to be the best :qq:

# ? Jul 4, 2020 12:48

Dirk Pitt: Sep 14, 2007; haha yes, this feels good; Toilet Rascal

Where do I create a fantasy team? What site?

# ? Jul 4, 2020 13:48

Custard Undies: Jan 7, 2006; #essereFerrari

I'm ready for :lewis:

to qualify on pole.

And for McLaren to make q3

# ? Jul 4, 2020 14:03

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Custard Undies posted:

And for McLaren to make q3

# ? Jul 4, 2020 14:03

Khablam: Mar 29, 2012

NtotheTC posted:

But I don't WANT Mercedes to be the best

They're all going to just copy the simple design, until they're told it's not steering anymore.
It's super dumb. No one gets an advantage.

If I was an F1 team principal this weekend, I'd tie a string from the DRS flap to the steering wheel, so drivers can use it on every straight. I'd claim that if I used this in a corner, it would cause "car rotation" and is therefore steering. As all steering is allowed even if it violates other rules, this is fine!

This is exactly how dumb DAS is.

# ? Jul 4, 2020 14:06