Chinathread: Reinventing Licentiousness

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MrMoo: Sep 14, 2000

English version: https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202007/06/P2020070600784.htm?fontSize=1

Story here, https://hongkongfp.com/2020/07/06/b...ntrol-internet/

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Hong Kong security law: Police handed power to do warrantless searches, freeze assets, intercept comms, control internet

# ? Jul 6, 2020 16:50

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 12:52

Lord Awkward: Feb 16, 2012

Quick and dirty image to text & Google Translate pass, can't speak to accuracy of it

e. not quick enough

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The Implementation Rules have legal effect. Details are as follows:

1. The relevant rules for searching relevant places for searching evidence refer to a number of provisions in the current law concerning emergency search under special circumstances, including the Firearms and Ammunition Ordinance (Chapter 238) and the Import and Export Ordinance (Chapter 60) Wait. In order to investigate crimes against national security, police officers may apply to the magistrate for warrants to enter and search relevant places for evidence collection. Under special circumstances (such as emergencies), police officers at or above assistant director level may authorize their officers to enter relevant places to search for evidence without warrant.

2. Restricting the person under investigation from leaving Hong Kong With reference to the provisions of the current "Prevention of Bribery Ordinance" (Chapter 201) restricting the departure of the person under investigation, the rules authorize police officers to apply to the magistrate for a warrant requesting suspected violations of national security The person who was investigated for the crime handed over travel documents and restricted him from leaving Hong Kong to prevent some of the persons involved from escaping overseas. The person who surrenders the travel document may apply to the Commissioner of Police or the magistrate for the return of the travel document and approval to leave Hong Kong.

3. Arrangements related to freezing, restricting, confiscating and confiscating property related to crimes against national security refer to the existing Organized and Serious Crimes Ordinance (Chapter 455) and the United Nations (Anti-Terrorism Measures) Ordinance (Chapter 575) Powers and regulations. If the Secretary for Security has reasonable grounds to suspect that a property is a property related to crimes against national security, he may give instructions by written notice, and no one shall dispose of the property. The Court of First Instance may, on the application of the Secretary for Justice, order the confiscation of crime-related property. Anyone who knows or suspects that any property is related to crimes against national security is also responsible for disclosing it to the police as soon as practicable, and must not disclose to any other person any damage that is likely to be damaged or will be made in response to the above disclosure Investigation data. The Secretary for Justice may also apply to the Court of First Instance for a restraining order or charge order, prohibiting anyone from processing any realizable property, or specifying the realizable property as a charge to secure an order to pay the government, and may apply to the court for confiscation Offenders who commit crimes against national security "reap the benefits of crimes and order the payment of the recovery amount within a fixed period."

4. Remove information that endangers national security and request assistance that is likely to constitute a crime that threatens national security or is likely to result in a crime that threatens national security. With the approval of the Director of the Security Bureau, you can authorize the designated police officer to request the person concerned, Platform service providers, hosting service providers and/or network service providers remove information that jeopardizes national security; restrict or stop anyone from accessing the information; or restrict or stop anyone from accessing the platform or related parts. However, if the required technology is not reasonably available to the publisher or the relevant service provider, or the relevant service provider complies with the relevant requirements and there is a risk of incurring a considerable loss or damage to the rights of the third party to the third party, it may be a joint

Reasoning.

If the relevant information publisher does not cooperate immediately, and the relevant information will continue to seriously affect the public on the Internet, police officers may apply to the magistrate for a warrant to seize the relevant electronic devices and take action to remove the information as soon as possible. Relevant personnel may also apply to the adjudicator for issuing warrants in specified circumstances, authorizing police officers to request the relevant service providers to provide relevant identity records or decryption assistance as required by the circumstances.

5. Requests from foreign and Taiwanese political organizations and their agents to provide information on Hong Kong-related activities. If the Commissioner of Police reasonably believes that it is necessary to prevent and detect crimes against national security, he may borrow from the Director of Security A foreign political organization or a Taiwanese political organization, or a foreign agent or a Taiwan agent, shall serve a written notice stating that the group identification or agent shall submit specified information (including Activities in Hong Kong and personal data, assets, income, sources of income and expenses). This rule refers to the existing "Organizations Ordinance" (Chapter 151), where the Association Affairs Officer may request the association to provide information.

6. Applications for authorization to intercept communications and covert surveillance are to effectively prevent and detect crimes against national security and to protect the confidentiality of data related to national security. All applications to intercept communications and covert surveillance operations must be approved by the Chief Executive; and Covert surveillance operations with a low degree of intrusion may be applied to the directorate officer of the police designated by the Chief Executive. The authorizing authority must confirm that the secret operation can meet the verification criteria of "proportionality" and "necessity" before it can authorize. According to Article 43 of the National Security Law, the National Security Commission has oversight responsibility for the measures taken by the Police Force. According to the enforcement rules, the Chief Executive may appoint an independent person to assist the Security Council in fulfilling the above-mentioned oversight responsibilities. In addition, the Secretary for Security also issued the "Operating Principles and Guidelines" to provide police officers with operational principles and guidelines on how to make relevant applications and exercise their powers, requiring police officers to comply with them when performing relevant functions. The "Operating Principles and Guidelines" will be gazetted together with the "Implementation Rules".

7. Providing information and submitting materials To assist in the investigation of crimes against national security or the gains from committing relevant crimes, the Secretary for Justice or police officers may apply to the court for approval, asking the person concerned to answer questions within a specified time limit, or provide Or hand over relevant information or materials. Relevant provisions refer to the relevant powers and regulations of the existing Organized and Serious Crimes Ordinance (Chapter 455) and the United Nations (Anti-Terrorism Measures) Ordinance (Chapter 575).

In order to ensure the effective implementation of the above-mentioned relevant measures, the "Implementation Rules" also stipulates relevant penalties for violations of regulations as required. For example, if there is no reasonable excuse, if the information publisher fails to comply with the police's request to remove information that jeopardizes national security, upon conviction, a fine of $100,000 and imprisonment for one year; if the service provider fails to comply with the removal or restriction Or stop anyone from accessing information or platforms that endanger national security, or provide assistance. Once convicted, he will be fined $100,000 and imprisoned for six months. In addition, if foreign and Taiwanese political organizations or foreign and Taiwanese agents fail to provide information to the police as required, unless they can prove that they have done their best or have a reason beyond their control, they will be liable to a fine of $100,000 and imprisonment of six upon conviction. If it involves providing false, incorrect or incomplete information, it may be fined $100,000 and imprisoned for two years, but it is reasonable to justify that the information is true, correct and complete. As for its "other items, the related crimes and defenses (if prescribed) are roughly the same as the existing legal provisions that are referred to. Providing defenses where appropriate can provide appropriate defenses for those who cannot comply with the requirements Reasons. The implementation rules mentioned above are in compliance with the provisions of the National Security Law and the Basic Law, including provisions on respecting and protecting human rights.

Tomorrow (July 7), government representatives will attend the Legislative Council Security Panel, Judicial and Legal Panel and Constitutional Panel Joint Meeting to explain the contents of the "National Security Law" and "Implementation Rules."

# ? Jul 6, 2020 16:51

Devils Affricate: Jan 22, 2010

Do Chinese authorities actually use the word "relevant" that much or is it just google translate combining multiple words into one?

# ? Jul 6, 2020 16:58

MarcusSA: Sep 23, 2007

Devils Affricate posted:

Do Chinese authorities actually use the word "relevant" that much or is it just google translate combining multiple words into one?

I swear something like this came up before and they kinda do talk like that a lot in official documents.

# ? Jul 6, 2020 17:01

MrMoo: Sep 14, 2000

It's not going to be long before the CCP force HKID registration on .hk and 。香港 domains, or just drop them completely,. This is going to be messy.

# ? Jul 6, 2020 17:15

Grand Fromage: Jan 30, 2006; L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?

MarcusSA posted:

I swear something like this came up before and they kinda do talk like that a lot in official documents.

Yeah, they have a bunch of specific verbal tics in party writing and that's one.

# ? Jul 6, 2020 17:17

Devils Affricate: Jan 22, 2010

We've discussed odd word choice ITT (from official, not-auto-translated statements) from the CCP but this is the first time I've seen such constant repetition. I would imagine it sounds just as awkward in Mandarin, if they are in fact using the same word over and over like that.

# ? Jul 6, 2020 17:26

Vire: Nov 4, 2005; Like a Bosh

That�s some of the scariest poo poo I have ever seen over night the country is over.

# ? Jul 6, 2020 17:45

ninjoatse.cx: Apr 9, 2005; Fun Shoe

Oohhboy don't die :ohdear:

# ? Jul 6, 2020 17:51

MrMoo: Sep 14, 2000

Jurisdiction over Taiwan, kind of ironic considering previous statements.

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In addition, if foreign and Taiwanese political organizations or foreign and Taiwanese agents fail to provide information to the police as required, unless they can prove that they have done their best or have a reason beyond their control, they will be liable to a fine of $100,000 and imprisonment of six upon conviction.

# ? Jul 6, 2020 18:00

Dont Touch ME: Apr 1, 2018

Waiting for the c-spam take on how this is actually good because it empowers the proletariat

# ? Jul 6, 2020 18:37

barbecue at the folks: Jul 20, 2007

R.I.P. Hong Kong. 2020 is a motherfucker. Stay safe, oohboy!

# ? Jul 6, 2020 20:08

Fur20: Nov 14, 2007; すご▞い！
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね！

stay safe oohhhboy dont eat any chicken sandwiches, or rice that's been refrigerated

# ? Jul 6, 2020 20:20

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

Dont Touch ME posted:

Waiting for the c-spam take on how this is actually good because it empowers the proletariat

America has spies. Clearly you're projecting.

# ? Jul 6, 2020 20:33

McGavin: Sep 18, 2012

Dont Touch ME posted:

Waiting for the c-spam take on how this is actually good because it empowers the proletariat

This is merely China standing up to American imperialism. Did you forget that they also have police in America?

# ? Jul 6, 2020 20:43

Bum the Sad: Aug 25, 2002; Hell Gem

Free Hong Kong

# ? Jul 6, 2020 23:25

exmachina: Mar 12, 2006; Look Closer

Uhh isn't Ooohboy in NZ right now, relatively safe from secret police and corona?

# ? Jul 6, 2020 23:25

GoutPatrol: Oct 17, 2009; *Stupid Babby*

Dont Touch ME posted:

Waiting for the c-spam take on how this is actually good because it empowers the proletariat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgxZr6LLS34

please note I'm playing padme here

# ? Jul 6, 2020 23:46

therobit: Aug 19, 2008; I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Removed

therobit fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jul 7, 2020

# ? Jul 6, 2020 23:51

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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"if the regime is so illegitimate, why aren't the people rising up against it?"

*people rise up against it*

"look at these imperialists rising up against the regime, i hope they all get shot"

# ? Jul 6, 2020 23:58

Grand Fromage: Jan 30, 2006; L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?

There are a few Hong Kongers in the thread but if you know I don't think you should post it. If they want to say it themselves that's fine but let's not out anyone in this brave new world. I'd rather be overly cautious than get someone arrested.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 00:00

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

therobit posted:

Yeah, I think they are thinking of some goons

Some goons are eating chicken burger and growing his hair in a Xinjiang reeducation camp.

stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jul 7, 2020

# ? Jul 7, 2020 00:07

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

oohhboy posted:

(2020)We have lost all tourism and student dollars. It's only a matter of time till we get tariffs thrown at us because we voted one way or another and end up in a trade war like everyone else. Plus we got all the other trading partners. Australia is $14B in exports, 2 way $27B. China is $19B, 2 way $32B. Tourist is $2.79B China, $2.88B Oz. NZ is basically China's ~~bread basket~~ Milk Bottle. We can live without Chinese mobile phones instead get Taiwanese phones, they can't live without food. Even if they slap 100% tariff they are far more likely to buy our milk over some local stuff.

Total trade is $86B exports, 2 way $169B. Chinese $$$ isn't as big as you think. A lot of stuff that is made in China isn't made in China which is getting moved back home or other less hosed up places. As new numbers come out I expect any growth to flatten out if not decrease due to the virus as there is lag as things are ordered months in advance. Source is straight from the horses mouth.

https://statisticsnz.shinyapps.io/trade_dashboard/

Taiwan #1 is worth $1.5B, 2 way $2.5B for the curious.

China isn't some mega monster that can crush everyone. The problem is we are divided.

Your claim was that China and New Zealand's economies are basically decoupled. This is blatantly not true.
The statistics you post here highlight how dependent the NZ balance of payments is on China. We're roughly 7 billion in the black just in terms of China and about 3.5 billion in total. Obviously it's very difficult to predict what would happen in the event of trade between the two countries stopping but on the face of it without trade with China our balance of payments would be significantly in the negative.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 00:16

BrigadierSensible: Feb 16, 2012; I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Will this new HK police state be enough to get the big foreign companies to flee? And if that happens, how much will it affect the CCP? How much will it affect jobs/economy in HK itself?

Because it has been said that the CCP doesn't need the cash that HK brings in as much as it used to, now it has Shanghai and Guangzhou doing the same thing. SO now, as has been seen, they don't even need to give them the illusion of freedom.

Stay safe everyone in HK. Please.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 01:07

bones 4 beginners: Jan 7, 2018; "...a masterpiece that no one can read too often, or admire too much."

So...are they about to roll out a great firewall-esque block on the internet with that provision mentioning control of the internet? That was one of the hardest things to handle in mainland China, that suffocating disconnect from everything and everyone you know. I couldn't even talk to my little brother on his birthday because of how strictly they were blocking VPNs at the time.

Another weird memory of China. I lived in Wuhan as the military games were going on. I went to multiple art museums and they were all filled with weird propaganda. Multiple paintings of Chinese military with white doves flying behind them, a painting of Chinese soldiers graciously aiding poor African people, a very loving weird one of children with guns climbing over a tank. It was all so awful and I couldn't understand why, when people from all over the world are coming to your country, you choose bullshit like this instead of exhibiting the actual culture and creativity of your citizens.

It just made me wonder how long it will be until Hong Kongs museums and galleries start looking the same

Edit: I still have the pic of the kids with guns, there wasn't a tank involved though:

bones 4 beginners fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jul 7, 2020

# ? Jul 7, 2020 01:22

therobit: Aug 19, 2008; I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Quote is not edit.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 01:30

A4R8: Feb 28, 2020

Dont Touch ME posted:

Waiting for the c-spam take on how this is actually good because it empowers the proletariat

Me too because i can�t find one :qq:

# ? Jul 7, 2020 01:33

therobit: Aug 19, 2008; I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

stephenthinkpad posted:

Words

I removed that post upon consideration of GF's point. Do you think you could edit the names out of your post and where you quoted me? He's right, if there is any chance it could cause trouble I don't want to be the source of that.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 01:35

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Wuhan is a Kojima fan.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 01:45

Kharnifex: Sep 11, 2001; The Banter is better in AusGBS

*beaten like a HK ptotestor

Welp, RIP HK

https://hongkongfp.com/2020/07/06/b...ntrol-internet/

# ? Jul 7, 2020 01:53

sticksy: May 26, 2004; Nap Ghost

BrigadierSensible posted:

Will this new HK police state be enough to get the big foreign companies to flee? And if that happens, how much will it affect the CCP? How much will it affect jobs/economy in HK itself?

Because it has been said that the CCP doesn't need the cash that HK brings in as much as it used to, now it has Shanghai and Guangzhou doing the same thing. SO now, as has been seen, they don't even need to give them the illusion of freedom.

Stay safe everyone in HK. Please.

I think that's it, sadly - 20 years ago they didn't want to kill the goose who laid the golden egg or whatever that metaphor was. Now? I think they're going to very much tighten the screws to make HK an example and project strength, especially when they know the US under Trump isn't going to do poo poo about it given his desperation for a trade deal he can brag about.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 01:56

GoutPatrol: Oct 17, 2009; *Stupid Babby*

A4R8 posted:

Me too because i can’t find one

To say nothing is to be complicit.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 01:57

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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A4R8 posted:

Me too because i can�t find one

itt we had C-SPAM trolls actively celebrating the HK crackdown

# ? Jul 7, 2020 02:05

Ailumao: Nov 4, 2004

BrigadierSensible posted:

Will this new HK police state be enough to get the big foreign companies to flee? And if that happens, how much will it affect the CCP? How much will it affect jobs/economy in HK itself?

Because it has been said that the CCP doesn't need the cash that HK brings in as much as it used to, now it has Shanghai and Guangzhou doing the same thing. SO now, as has been seen, they don't even need to give them the illusion of freedom.

Stay safe everyone in HK. Please.

This already started to happen last year when things started and accelerated a couple of weeks ago when stuff started to roll out, so this is just icing on the cake.

A friend of mine in recruiting works with multinationals for staffing Asia offices a lot and said even as late as this time last year HK was still the #1 place companies wanted to place people in Asia but even by last December or Jan (before COVID ruined any real international movement) it was already p low and companies were starting to vacate as they saw the writing on the wall.

I am not an economist so I cannot comment, but just based on what I know a large portion of its economy is based on its special status w/r/t laws and taxes (bolstered since it was an easy in to China for a lot of multinationals without being in China) so who knows what this does. Probably bad.

I don't think they've made any mention of changing how HK is with regards to taxes and tariffs, which I know myriad mainland companies would be unhappy to lose, so I'm guessing those will hold on for the time being.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 04:07

Traveler: Sep 13, 2006

FCC have a live stream on the discussion of the national security law and impact on journalism in HK

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=288873272164365&ref=watch_permalink

# ? Jul 7, 2020 06:21

Vire: Nov 4, 2005; Like a Bosh

Magna Kaser posted:

This already started to happen last year when things started and accelerated a couple of weeks ago when stuff started to roll out, so this is just icing on the cake.

A friend of mine in recruiting works with multinationals for staffing Asia offices a lot and said even as late as this time last year HK was still the #1 place companies wanted to place people in Asia but even by last December or Jan (before COVID ruined any real international movement) it was already p low and companies were starting to vacate as they saw the writing on the wall.

I am not an economist so I cannot comment, but just based on what I know a large portion of its economy is based on its special status w/r/t laws and taxes (bolstered since it was an easy in to China for a lot of multinationals without being in China) so who knows what this does. Probably bad.

I don't think they've made any mention of changing how HK is with regards to taxes and tariffs, which I know myriad mainland companies would be unhappy to lose, so I'm guessing those will hold on for the time being.

They have already threatened to just treat HK effectively as China and no longer honor special trade agreements a few months ago. I am not shocked that the white house hasn't said much because our president is still busy losing a war from 155 years ago over flags and statues.

The only thing I heard was today they mentioned banning Tik Tok haha.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 07:59

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Not only could the US government ban Tiktok but it would be relatively easy too.

- Designate it a security threat
- Order its removal from app stores

This wouldn't even require much political clout since it's already banned from being used by any military personnel, federal employees, or being on any federal devices.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 09:33

d0s: Jun 28, 2004

may be paranoid but it feels like tiktok pulling out of HK is just a move to get people there on the mainland version of it (forgot the name) run by the same company and the american office is just touting it as some kind of protest move

# ? Jul 7, 2020 23:17

BrigadierSensible: Feb 16, 2012; I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

India also banned tiktok recently, as part of their border stoush with China.

# ? Jul 7, 2020 23:28

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 12:52

therobit: Aug 19, 2008; I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Fojar38 posted:

Not only could the US government ban Tiktok but it would be relatively easy too.

- Designate it a security threat
- Order its removal from app stores

This wouldn't even require much political clout since it's already banned from being used by any military personnel, federal employees, or being on any federal devices.

Wait, why?

# ? Jul 7, 2020 23:33

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