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I think a large part of the appeal of Anarchism in the west is that it allows you to believe in socialism without confronting anti-communist beliefs that the population holds. In the Chomsky article that I linked earlier, the author mentions that one of the reasons why Maoism was so big amongst 60s radicals was because it allowed them to Marxists without confronting their anti-Soviet indoctrination.
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Communism but the nice kind.
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ToxicAcne posted:I think a large part of the appeal of Anarchism in the west is that it allows you to believe in socialism without confronting anti-communist beliefs that the population holds. In the Chomsky article that I linked earlier, the author mentions that one of the reasons why Maoism was so big amongst 60s radicals was because it allowed them to Marxists without confronting their anti-Soviet indoctrination. also true of trotskyism
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Socialism With a Soy Face
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Algund Eenboom posted:Just keep building on successes and failures, you can look at the abarchist thingy in seattle for example and say here’s why it worked for a bit and here’s why it doesn’t. Even just teaching people about copaganda is “win” Remember the aid worker that got doxxed by Molly Crabapple and fired from her job because she opposed Western intervention in Syria? Anyway, here's her mocking the Letter and hypothesizing that its another symptom of intra-ruling class conflict. https://twitter.com/tarynfivek/status/1280605140890914816?s=20 https://twitter.com/tarynfivek/status/1280605861250039811?s=20 https://twitter.com/tarynfivek/status/1280607571204808706?s=20
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GalacticAcid posted:Socialism With a Soy Face lol
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Algund Eenboom posted:Dick wolff sucks as do all the pseudoleft economists like piketty, varoufakis etc yeah if you want a real theory knower, look to Alan Freeman. 
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Jul 10, 2020 19:21
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Zizek may deep-down be a Marxist, but he has suppressed it so deep that he is now getting into secondary conflicts about culture war poo poo. I wish he would spit it out and get past doctrinaire Lacan/post-structuralism. He really didn't need to break bread with a future-vegetable like Peterson.
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Jul 10, 2020 19:49
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Is negri and hardt’s Empire good or is it one of those dumb 90s “postmarxist” books
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ToxicAcne posted:I think a large part of the appeal of Anarchism in the west is that it allows you to believe in socialism without confronting anti-communist beliefs that the population holds. In the Chomsky article that I linked earlier, the author mentions that one of the reasons why Maoism was so big amongst 60s radicals was because it allowed them to Marxists without confronting their anti-Soviet indoctrination. are you loving kidding me you're suggesting that anarchism is an easier sell than communism and that most people don't just conflate the two along with every other leftist ideology.
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Jul 11, 2020 00:14
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Jul 11, 2020 00:30
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Benagain posted:are you loving kidding me Most people don't even know what Anarchism as an ideology entails. They just think that it means no government. Compare that with the decades of anticommunist indoctrination coming from the media, education, political establishment etc.
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ToxicAcne posted:I think a large part of the appeal of Anarchism in the west is that it allows you to believe in socialism without confronting anti-communist beliefs that the population holds. In the Chomsky article that I linked earlier, the author mentions that one of the reasons why Maoism was so big amongst 60s radicals was because it allowed them to Marxists without confronting their anti-Soviet indoctrination. the maoist critiques of the soviet union were for a large part entirely valid though
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ToxicAcne posted:Most people don't even know what Anarchism as an ideology entails. They just think that it means no government. Compare that with the decades of anticommunist indoctrination coming from the media, education, political establishment etc. no, right, I get that, I'm just saying that right now socialism and communism are at all time highs in terms of us popularity and most people still don't know anarchism as anything other than hooting and hollering while you chuck molotovs
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V. Illych L. posted:the maoist critiques of the soviet union were for a large part entirely valid though I mean, the PRC did eventually an NEP-like model. I think they were right about revisionism, and Krushchev being a complete dunce. Benagain posted:no, right, I get that, I'm just saying that right now socialism and communism are at all time highs in terms of us popularity and most people still don't know anarchism as anything other than hooting and hollering while you chuck molotovs I wouldn't say communism is popular...except maybe in CSPAM. Also, granted, anarchism is mostly about hooting and hollering, then getting bored and taking a nap. I really haven't been impressed about the outcomes from anarchists except for maybe Food not Bombs. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jul 11, 2020 |
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Jul 11, 2020 01:13
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Benagain posted:are you loving kidding me i've met a few vaguely conservative/libertarian younger white men who were happy to identify as anarchist. they just hated the government, and they think anarchism means no government. i know one became a boogaloo fanboy recently. i don't think that strata represents a significant number of anarchists, but it shows how people can latch onto the idea of anarchism. to compare, i don't think people call themselves communists after qualifying for social security.
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Jul 11, 2020 01:16
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let’s relitigate the spanish civil war, its been awhile since
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Benagain posted:are you loving kidding me
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Jul 11, 2020 01:27
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I liked these three chapters on anarchism by hobsbawm http://www.ditext.com/hobsbawm/anarchists.html
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You could even argue that the most successful anarchists, those in Spain, required a well organized central institution just like the Bolsheviks did. The difference being that in Spain it manifested itself as revolutionary union instead of a revolutionary party. I remember reading that there was a faction of the CNT that was inspired by the Bolsheviks so the anarchist-Marxist division isn't as antagonistic as one might think.
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Jul 11, 2020 01:59
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bold stance to announce exactly how many books they've read right there in their channel name
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Jul 11, 2020 02:02
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Peanut President posted:bold stance to announce exactly how many books they've read right there in their channel name
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someone please photoshop Brezhnev into this
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THS posted:let’s relitigate the spanish civil war, its been awhile since it was all the fault of the POUM
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Peanut President posted:bold stance to announce exactly how many books they've read right there in their channel name
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Raskolnikov38 posted:it was all the fault of the POUM don’t give that insignificant little group so much credit. no one would know who the gently caress they were if not for orwell
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THS posted:don’t give that insignificant little group so much credit. no one would know who the gently caress they were if not for orwell 
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Algund Eenboom posted:POUMAs POUMy pants
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Algund Eenboom posted:POUMAs
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I hate to say it, but early in the war, Catalonia was a quiet front because Franco was mostly focused on liquidating the Basque.
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Kinda random question but do any orgs in Milwaukee have good reputations? An acquaintance asked if I knew but I never lived out there
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GalacticAcid posted:Kinda random question but do any orgs in Milwaukee have good reputations? An acquaintance asked if I knew but I never lived out there Red Letter Media
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Jul 11, 2020 03:12
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Did you watch the video or did you just react to the title?
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I think we should do something to increase awareness of the rising communist sentiment in America. Something to freak out libs and conservatives who aren't terminally online. Shift the Overton window and have it be a discussion point as we get closer to November. Whatever it is needs to be visible. Maybe we could get an ad company to print up some door hangers with a few brief statements about the benefits of communism and put them on the door of every home in a major suburb. Most of the people will just ignore them but it'll put the idea in their head that communism is trying to make a comeback.
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