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A4R8 posted:Hong Kong got owned. Taiwan is next after the collapse of America? I was shocked at how quickly China was able to defeat Hong Kong's independent standing army and modern navy. Did they even try and use their extensive air defenses? I don't think they even let loose one anti-ship missile at the PLAN invasion fleet or bombard Chinese staging areas with their cruise missiles. Compared to how well armed and far Hong Kong is from the mainland Taiwan doesn't have a chance.
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I'm the tankie who thinks America is going to be the only one to step up to the plate if the PRC is stupid enough to attack the ROC. If Abe reforms the Japanese military like he's thought about, it's all but guaranteed they'd show up within the first few hours. The Phillipines would also be quick on the scene. Probably every NATO country, and if these current border tensions haven't cooled, India too. TSMC is the most significant microchip manufacturer on the planet, and the only one capable of fabbing 7nm chips economically. The Taiwanese would burn it before letting the CCP get its mitts on it. That's catastrophic for basically every single country reliant on TSMC (read: basically every single first world country) Even without foreign intervention, trying to take Taiwan would be a bloodbath. It's a mountainous island that's not easily approachable from the east outside of a few months per year. There's a reason Mao called the invasion off 70 years ago, and the Taiwanese have only gotten more entrenched. It has a professional military with enough ammo to wipe the entire PLAN and PLAAF off the map unless they start pumping out more materiel. The Chinese military struggled against Vietnam, which was way worse off than Taiwan at the time. The PLA hasn't seen many game-changing reforms, and as far as I know they have absolutely no practice when it comes to modern war doctrines, which only multiplies the problems. You're looking at astronomical casualties for the Chinese to even secure a beachhead, and when they finally do, Taiwan will have mobilized millions of conscripts, all pointing rifles at the fresh-faced farmboys who have never been shot at before, being commanded by brass who will care more about saving face than effective strategy. Assuming the PLA is lucky enough to not be repelled, they now have to pacify an island driven into a bloodrage, which has destroyed all its infrastructure and economic value, all the while the world has just leveraged deep economic sanctions against China. So now they're caught in a guerilla war with a cripple economy. Trying to take Taiwan is a triple black diamond operation. The PLA is rated for the bunny slopes, like riot suppression. Yeah if the CCP throws enough bodies at Taiwan, they can take it with catastrophic losses and burning every single bridge they have built. They could also achieve the same result by glassing Taiwan with nukes, and it would actually cost them less. They are going to do neither. Hong Kong is not even remotely comparable.
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Jul 14, 2020 20:27
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the taiwanese people will rise up against their bourgeois oppressors
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IIRC someone did a write-up a while back in the Cold War thread going over a hypothetical Taiwan invasion scenario and the main takeaway was that while they're trying to close the gap, especially in terms of the navy, the PLA currently would have real trouble projecting power over Taiwan. They could hit a whole pile of stuff with ballistic missiles, but in other cases shortages such as a real lack of equipment/training with airborne tankers would mean it would be extremely difficult to maintain any sort of air superiority, let alone a sustained air campaign. And that's like even if nobody else gets involved. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Jul 14, 2020 20:44
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Honestly, if relations with China don't improve over the next 10 years, you're probably going to see the US selling Taiwan that fancy anti-strategic missile weapons system. E: also I wouldn't be surprised if the PLA suffered from some blue on blue from lack of coordination. Dont Touch ME fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Jul 14, 2020 20:57
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No itd be alot of fun.
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Blistex posted:Found it. thanks
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Dont Touch ME posted:I'm the tankie who thinks America is going to be the only one to step up to the plate if the PRC is stupid enough to attack the ROC. It's almost as if A4R8 is a fascist dipshit who has no interest in or knowledge of what he's talking about because all he really wants is to Own The Libs
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Here's a thing I have noticed about the Tankies in this thread, (I don't know much about tankies, and haven't encountered them in other places.) Everything in binary. China and America, and only those two. There are other countries, and other regions you know. To use an example. The 9 dash line doesn't affect America in the slightest. It affects The Phillipines, Vietnam etc. These are the countries that are being hurt by the CCP's pettiness. But they don't talk about that, nor take those countries needs/wants or indeed existences into account. Why? Because it doesn't fit into their narrative of America bad, therefore China/CCP good. Which is itself a logical fallacy. Nobody is disputing America bad. And bringing up police racism in one country does not excuse admitted cultural genocide and death camps in another country. Both things are bad, and condemning one does not mean supporting the other. In conclusion, the CCP is poopy, and if you choose to support it, especially from afar, you are an arsehole. edit: Unrelated question: Re: Hong Kong and the CCP's now legal right to oppress and kidnap it's citizens. Is there a similar "security" law in Macau? Coz it is officially a SAR, with different rules/laws to China. I understand this is largely to keep the Casino cash flowing. I also know that Macau is historically better behaved than Hong Kong and as such never needed one. But if the CCP are going to crack down, surely they would have quietly done so in Macau as well. BrigadierSensible fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jul 15, 2020 |
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Hell, leave nations out of it. China is doing the aquatic version of "slash and burn" in the SCS and literally destroying coral reefs INTENTIONALLY because there are giant clams at the bottom, or they're dredging materials for more artificial islands. Scientists are predicting that life will not return to normal (assuming everyone just left it alone forever) for centuries. But maybe the Exxon Valdez accident makes it ok?
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Jul 15, 2020 00:41
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this thread is really bad at detecting leftist ironyposting, though it's forgivable since we're not a *chan board despite the best efforts of politixbrains who want to make it so (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 15, 2020 00:50
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d0s posted:this thread is really bad at detecting leftist ironyposting Ironic fascism is still fascism.
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Jul 15, 2020 00:51
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d0s posted:this thread is really bad at detecting leftist ironyposting, We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.
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d0s posted:this thread is really bad at detecting leftist ironyposting, though it's forgivable since we're not a *chan board despite the best efforts of politixbrains who want to make it so *talks about how tankies are irony posting* *references chan boards* *fails to see the irony*
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d0s posted:this thread is really bad at detecting leftist ironyposting, though it's forgivable since we're not a *chan board despite the best efforts of politixbrains who want to make it so its 2020 we figured out that 'ironical' misanthropic vermin are still misanthropic vermin
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therobit posted:*talks about how tankies are irony posting* *references chan boards* *fails to see the irony* Tankies love posting on 4chan.
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holy poo poo relax I agree that it's garbage posting and ironic in name only but calibrate your response because what keeps happening is the sort of reaction that eggs that sort of poster on and continues the threadshittingDont Touch ME posted:Tankies love posting on 4chan. it's the same 4chan style "say extreme poo poo to be edgy and get a rise out of people", despite a different political side. it's obnoxious either way d0s fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Jul 15, 2020 |
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Jul 15, 2020 01:28
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Maybe perpetual threadshitters should be forbidden from posting itt
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it's some elementary school poo poo but seriously the best way to own people like that is to completely disregard that they are saying anything in the thread and keep up whatever discussion infuriated them enough that they decided to come in and disrupt it by changing the conversation to "goddamn tankies!"
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Jul 15, 2020 01:44
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Get that armchair general bookshop jpeg in here asap
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d0s posted:it's the same 4chan style "say extreme poo poo to be edgy and get a rise out of people", despite a different political side. it's obnoxious either way No I'm serious. There's a name for it and everything. /leftypol/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/e41df4/8chan_the_story_of_leftypol_and_its_collapse_and/ this story details a specific offsite or something, but from what I know that offsite's origins stem from a subculture of tankies on the politics board that I'm sure still exists to this day. I'm betting it's every bit as poo poo as it sounds.
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British doing something good for a change! https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/business/huawei-uk-5g.html LONDON — Britain announced on Tuesday that it would ban equipment from the Chinese technology giant Huawei from the country’s high-speed wireless network, a victory for the Trump administration that escalates the battle between Western powers and China over critical technology. The move reverses a decision in January, when Britain said Huawei equipment could be used in its new 5G network on a limited basis. Since then, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has faced growing political pressure domestically to take a harder line against Beijing, and in May, the United States imposed new restrictions to disrupt Huawei’s access to important components.
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d0s posted:it's some elementary school poo poo but seriously the best way to own people like that is to completely disregard that they are saying anything in the thread and keep up whatever discussion infuriated them enough that they decided to come in and disrupt it by changing the conversation to "goddamn tankies!" This is actually good advice. Idiots, tankies, and racists hate nothing more than being ignored, and either move on or give up when they don't get a rise out of people. Within the context of this thread. Not saying society should let the KKK have rallies and functions unchallenged.
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Blistex posted:This is actually good advice. Idiots, tankies, and racists hate nothing more than being ignored, and either move on or give up when they don't get a rise out of people. nah im just going to probate the poo poo out of tankies ironic or not from now on, if they keep posting I will ban them.
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Fojar38 posted:It's almost as if A4R8 is a fascist dipshit who has no interest in or knowledge of what he's talking about because all he really wants is to Own The Libs lmao I see you really did earn that red title
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nong was a much better gimmick; did he get sent for reeducation?
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Shumagorath posted:nong was a much better gimmick; did he get sent for reeducation? what ever happened to the second pro prc laowai you know the one who stole the name and had a terrible gimmick and kept posting ban me stuff?
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snergle posted:what ever happened to the second pro prc laowai you know the one who stole the name and had a terrible gimmick and kept posting ban me stuff? wasnt that pevan stan? in any case, p sure he got thread banned
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Jul 15, 2020 05:43
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He got threadbanned from every China thread He was actually too insane for CSPAM
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Fojar38 posted:Maybe perpetual threadshitters should be forbidden from posting Sliiight adjustment, laddie.
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https://twitter.com/mikepompeo/status/1283197610757632001
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Researchers at the PLA are attempting to create a handheld railgun. The stopping power does not look great on the current prototype but I did enjoy the weird promotional video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jElInmVfmBU 
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drat they are leaving america in the dust!!!
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:Researchers at the PLA are attempting to create a handheld railgun. The stopping power does not look great on the current prototype but I did enjoy the weird promotional video. That’s kinda cool. Kinda have the same power as the gun that dude on YouTube made years so though
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I know this thread has a lot of people who work in industries related to international trade with China. So I was wondering if the end of Hong Kong's preferential status is going to have any immediate effects on business? I'm having a hard time gauging just how meaningful and impactful this change in policy will be.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...a-idUSKCN1VP35H Tl;dr: it's a great day for Singapore The finance will fly, my actual interest is in will happen to the port. It's long been significant. But, I'm not a sailor, so I couldn't possibly comment.
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Squalid posted:I know this thread has a lot of people who work in industries related to international trade with China. So I was wondering if the end of Hong Kong's preferential status is going to have any immediate effects on business? I'm having a hard time gauging just how meaningful and impactful this change in policy will be. same i'm thinkin bout how it's gonna effect all the people smuggling milk powder and steaks by taking a train between hong kong and china poo poo practically everything on taobao is just some extreme form of uber eats of crap brought in from hk
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Fojar38 posted:Tsinghua Professor Xu Zhangrun was recently detained by the Chinese government for his outspoken criticism of Xi Jinping mods rename me to wechat terror
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Just a normal day, loading hundreds of blindfolded people onto trains. Nothing to see here. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OddballFairGerbil-mobile.mp4
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They are going to a birthday party. Its their birthday
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