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Cojawfee posted:So if 150 million of the sales have while Microsoft owned it, that's like 3 billion dollars just from sales. That doesn't include license fees for toys and clothes and whatnot. I'm sure Microsoft really regrets buying it. You're assuming everyone there is paying 20 dollars for a copy which is not at all true, especially considering how many mobile copies are included in there which is 7 bucks at most.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:You're assuming everyone there is paying 20 dollars for a copy which is not at all true, especially considering how many mobile copies are included in there which is 7 bucks at most. Are they counting the free version in windows 10 for active players?
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Jul 15, 2020 23:53
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Didn't Microsoft use some money that was in tax protected portfolios oversea and that's part of the reason for the purchase?
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American McGay posted:I think the video game with 100 million active users and the most popular game on YouTube would be worth a few billion dollars but I guess you just know better than everyone else. It's not a hard bar to jump over in this thread
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Jul 15, 2020 23:54
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lmfao even the companies fans report earnings in the form of hours played
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Ineffiable posted:Didn't Microsoft use some money that was in tax protected portfolios oversea and that's part of the reason for the purchase? Yes they have a fund that can not be repatriated without taxing so they need to buy big ticket foreign assets from time to time
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GTAV sold about 2/3rd as many copies as MC (with no caveats about x number of copies sold before R* owned it), most of them for double what anyone has ever paid for Minecraft and has a microtransaction model for GTAO that microsoft would nuke the planet to replicate in MC and if tea leaf readers are to be believed that whole endeavor, the most profitable entertainment product of all time, is somewhere north of 5 billion. If MC was even sniffing the heels of that racket with a game of their own you would never ever hear the end of it. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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Jul 16, 2020 00:04
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When you get to be Microsoft's size the whole "what was a worthy expense" equation gets really weird. Like even if Minecraft has only made them $500 million so far (just a number out of my rear end) that's money they can more readily use and looks good on their profit sheets versus the $2.5 billion that was far more restricted and less useful to them (I know it doesn't make rational sense). Also Microsoft plays a loooooooooong game with its stuff, like when they straight-up gave everyone in China 100% legit copies of their software if they brought in a convincing-looking counterfeit copy. Microsoft is probably totally OK with it taking a decade or two for their purchase to make up for their initial expense.
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Jul 16, 2020 01:32
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Microsoft keeps giving away Windows 10. They wouldn't do that if it didn't get them something in return.
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Jul 16, 2020 01:34
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Cojawfee posted:Microsoft keeps giving away Windows 10. They wouldn't do that if it didn't get them something in return. Microsoft's software has been getting easier to install and activate lately, but in saying that they also nail companies heavily if they're caught with software that isn't licensed correctly (which is easy to do with how confusing a lot of the licensing can be and aspects of it being essentially on the honor system).
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Jul 16, 2020 01:36
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Minecraft is also a gateway into the education sector, and can be a great tool for discovering how to use computers.
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Ontop of 150 million units sold since buying and licensing, Minecraft also has a recurring subscription called realms for the game thats been around in some form for like half a decade. I know microsoft has never unfurled a banner with "Mission Accomplished" written on it but there is realistically no way they haven't recouped that money.
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Jul 16, 2020 02:01
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Plus a nickle on every Halloween costume and toy sword.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:GTAV sold about 2/3rd as many copies as MC (with no caveats about x number of copies sold before R* owned it), most of them for double what anyone has ever paid for Minecraft and has a microtransaction model for GTAO that microsoft would nuke the planet to replicate in MC and if tea leaf readers are to be believed that whole endeavor, the most profitable entertainment product of all time, is somewhere north of 5 billion.
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Microsoft does not need to publish their exact dollar value per subscriber or whatever other internals, especially not to shareholders, in a scenario like this where you are only courting very stupid activist investors to strangle a golden goose. For a similar example, Disney does not release D+ programming breakouts in detail to shareholders for this exact reason, because then you'd have idiots demanding Disney exclusively make sequels to <top rated program among 14 year old girls here>
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minecraft wouldve been worth more than they paid with all those sales if you pointedly ignore all costs related to generating those sales, but with those factored in they almost certainly havnt broken even yet still.
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like what ms has spent on minecraft didnt begin and end with dropping $2.5 billion lolCojawfee posted:Microsoft keeps giving away Windows 10. They wouldn't do that if it didn't get them something in return. they gave away windows 10 because unless youre buying enterprise theyre selling your data
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isnt the idea that if you have a fat stack of liquid capital doing nothing then its preferable to drop some of it on an asset that would generate more in income than it would from dribbling in interest sitting in a bank? aiming to recoup 100% of a $2.5b outlay on a videogame license is insanity
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kecske posted:isnt the idea that if you have a fat stack of liquid capital doing nothing then its preferable to drop some of it on an asset that would generate more in income than it would from dribbling in interest sitting in a bank? aiming to recoup 100% of a $2.5b outlay on a videogame license is insanity i dunno i think maybe the video game console enthusiasts know business better than the people making decisions at a 1 trillion dollar company.
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hambeet posted:i dunno i think maybe the video game console enthusiasts know business better than the people making decisions at a 1 trillion dollar company. The console enthusiasts knew better than them in 2013 at least.
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https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1283755906535051264?s=19
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That's cool about xCloud. Hopefully it'll actually be fully featured on iPhone by then. Another statement in that post is eliciting concern online, where he says Xbox Studios games will be cross-gen for "a couple of years", making people wonder what the point of this console is when it sounds like it's just another mid-gen refresh right now. It's definitely a different approach from Sony's "gently caress the PS4" strategy where they're unapologetically going whole hog into making SSD-centric exclusives.
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Just to be clear, it is rolled into Game Pass Ultimate. Xcloud is a good value add but I would probably never pay for it, so I'm happy with this. Also, and I don't think this was known, but the Kinect isn't supported on the Series X!
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hambeet posted:i dunno i think maybe the video game console enthusiasts know business better than the people making decisions at a 1 trillion dollar company. ur right thats why we all love kinect and rrod didnt happen
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Zerot posted:Also, and I don't think this was known, but the Kinect isn't supported on the Series X! Well that's neat. Not that I think people were keeping Kinects around, but it does mean that the only Just Dance controlling option will be using a smart phone, making it the only platform where this is your only option.
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univbee posted:Another statement in that post is eliciting concern online, where he says Xbox Studios games will be cross-gen for "a couple of years", making people wonder what the point of this console is when it sounds like it's just another mid-gen refresh right now. It's definitely a different approach from Sony's "gently caress the PS4" strategy where they're unapologetically going whole hog into making SSD-centric exclusives. Who knows how long this will be the case and whether exceptions will be made, but I like the move in the short-term. Things are kind of bad economically in parts of the world right now and there's a lot of uncertainty. It usually takes a while for more than a couple of games to "need" to be next-gen exclusive, anyway.
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Lockhart having 8 gb of ram will keep them last gen for way longer than a few years
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Sounds like xbox is winning the future
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Real hurthling! posted:Lockhart having 8 gb of ram will keep them last gen for way longer than a few years They could be planning on using that super-fast SSD as virtual memory and having weird-rear end performance issues. Edit: actually, hasn't Sony been talking about a memory mapped way of developing for the PS5 where there's unified RAM / SSD? Twerk from Home fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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hambeet posted:i dunno i think maybe the video game console enthusiasts know business better than the people making decisions at a 1 trillion dollar company. uh yeah that's why we all have PS4's lmfao Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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hambeet posted:i dunno i think maybe the video game console enthusiasts know business better than the people making decisions at a 1 trillion dollar company. talking about the xbox wing of microsoft right now
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Twerk from Home posted:They could be planning on using that super-fast SSD as virtual memory and having weird-rear end performance issues. I think that was ms actually
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Twerk from Home posted:Edit: actually, hasn't Sony been talking about a memory mapped way of developing for the PS5 where there's unified RAM / SSD? I don't know if Sony's mentioned this specifically but it would be somewhat feasible if necessary. In fact I remember a goon on here waaaay back when SSDs were a new thing (when the biggest drives were 240 gigs and stupidly expensive) whose company was doing these nuts scientific calculations on a server, and they built a new server with 2 terabytes of "RAM" by having 512 gigs of actual real RAM and 1.5tb of RAID 0-striped SSDs. They specified the SSDs weren't as fast as true RAM but still worlds beyond traditional hard drives and it was still helpful for the lower-priority parts of the data being crunched.
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If someone wanted to spend the time you could also find hundreds of posts by people here in 2013 saying that launching with no backwards compatibility for the console with the highest attach rate of all time was also a giant mistake. We're also the ones who yanked them off the ledge after the 2013 E3 presentation debacle. The back compat thing was a mistake Sony made too (and personally I have a conspiracy brain that says they coordinated on that to avoid either one going through the cost and trouble of implementing it) but it was a much bigger fumble for Xbox to offer buyers the chance to painlessly switch teams coming off of the 360's performance. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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backcompat is a mostly pointless feature that unless you can implement it in the way the series x and ps5 are only serves to add cost to a device. doing it software based is also stupid because youre devoting untold amount of time to doing half ports with a weird wrapper.Twerk from Home posted:They could be planning on using that super-fast SSD as virtual memory and having weird-rear end performance issues. i think the sony thing is more about hitting transfer rates on the ssd that let you stream data into memory fast enough to avoid loading unless theres another thing theyve been talking about ive missed. series x transfer on compressed data should be high enough to get most of the way there as well really but it wont be something that can be designed around with a mandate to keep xbones compatible.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:If someone wanted to spend the time you could also find hundreds of posts by people here in 2013 saying that launching with no backwards compatibility for the console with the highest attach rate of all time was also a giant mistake. We're also the ones who yanked them off the ledge after the 2013 E3 presentation debacle. the 360 and especially the ps3 being fully compatible with this gen wouldve been insanely expensive to do and ramped up the costs on the machines even higher. w the ps3 i dont know if you could even practically do it given it would need to involve including a whole cell cpu inside the ps4.
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They are going to dump all their ps1-3 game files that they cant sell anymore onto ps now streaming and call it a day and the world will keep spinning
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Stux posted:the 360 and especially the ps3 being fully compatible with this gen wouldve been insanely expensive to do and ramped up the costs on the machines even higher. w the ps3 i dont know if you could even practically do it given it would need to involve including a whole cell cpu inside the ps4. I don't doubt it but the penalty for not figuring it out in any way shape or form for a launch window was getting absolutely pummeled for an entire console generation because you lost any actual way to keep a leash on 360 owners. This is, of course, in the alternate universe where Microsoft wasn't already high on their own supply thinking they had 360 owners so locked into brand loyalty that they could kill off the concept of actually owning a game and demand everyone be online 24/7 so they could sell the Pentagon access to a camera they forced into every home and announce all of it at E3 like it was an amazing great thing everyone should love lmfaooo
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