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tired: star trek canon wired: star trek apocrypha
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Jul 14, 2020 21:24
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The Bloop posted:Enterprise was never bad Owlbear Camus posted:I groaned out loud the first time I heard "hull plating down to 15%" Esp because it was airing roughly concurrent to New BSG, which showed that you could have a lot more of a visceral and compelling presentation of battle damage with unshielded ships duking it out rather than just making it a search-and-replace in unused scripts for "shields" health bar. It's good to remember that Enterprise was prefaced with "this series is gonna be so different" and what felt like an implicit acknowledgement that Trek writing had become severely formulaic and stale. I'm pretty sure I stopped regularly watching Voyager sometime during the sixth season. Hell, they weren't even putting "Star Trek" in the title! And then, yeah, like Owlbear Camus said, the first episode just felt like an incredible slap in the face. I bailed after the first episode and didn't watch another episode until years after the show got canceled. I eventually went back and watched some episodes, and while it's not the worst ever, I'm still firmly convinced I made the right call in bailing after the first episode back when it was in production.
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Jul 15, 2020 04:27
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that episode where they brought the borg back again and nothing happened in the back half of the episode. nothing
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Jul 15, 2020 05:48
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feedmyleg posted:I'd think the canon is a square/rectangle situation—the events of Lower Decks aren't true for the rest of Trek, but the events of the rest of Trek are true for Lower Decks. Lower Decks will be canon in the sense you'll see it playing on a tv in the background of a scene from Picard season 2.
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Jul 15, 2020 14:53
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Lower decks is a sequel to TAS
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Jul 15, 2020 14:55
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Slavish devotion to/caring super hard about what is and isn't canon is super over-rated. The best Star Trek show currently airing is a cartoon man's big-budget TNG fanfic. Some of the best Superman stories to come out in the past few decades (Kingdom Come and Red Son off the top of my head) are categorically not canon. Just tell good stories.
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Jul 15, 2020 15:09
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Owlbear Camus posted:Just tell good stories. *writers jotting down notes* Uh huh, uh huh, yes okay but what about -- and hear me out -- bland season-long arcs with banal, ill-thought out payoffs?
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Jul 15, 2020 15:13
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Martytoof posted:*writers jotting down notes* Remember how the end of Disco Season 1 was the Federation planting a weapon of genocidal destruction on their adversary's homeworld as a coercive terror threat in order to install a puppet leader more amenable to their regime, and then dissolves to the hero unironically giving a speech about the high-minded ideals of Starfleet? I sure remember.
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Jul 15, 2020 15:16
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No, I literally had forgotten this but thank you for bringing back good memories 
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Jul 15, 2020 15:20
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 RIP Romulan Captain (Maurice Roeves)
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Jul 15, 2020 16:29
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Probably a coincidence, but I was just down a wikihole on hazard symbol design and realised that the symbol printed on all the starfleet synths in Picard is one of the rejected designs for a biohazard symbol back in the 60s.
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Jul 15, 2020 17:44
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G-III posted:Stark Trek Genius. MikeJF posted:Probably a coincidence, but I was just down a wikihole on hazard symbol design and realised that the symbol printed on all the starfleet synths in Picard is one of the rejected designs for a biohazard symbol back in the 60s. I don't remember this and google's not helping (and I'm lazy today). Got an example?
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Jul 15, 2020 18:57
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They all have their ID number and this symbol on their necks. It was one of the six candidates for the biohazard symbol, lost out to the one we know and love. (it's a pretty simple symbol, probably a coincidence, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone mined history for some freebees)  MikeJF fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jul 15, 2020 |
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Jul 15, 2020 19:50
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Ahh, upside-down triangle brands on pseudosapient beings... That's certainly a good look for the Feds
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Jul 15, 2020 20:06
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Owlbear Camus posted:Remember how the end of Disco Season 1 was the Federation planting a weapon of genocidal destruction on their adversary's homeworld as a coercive terror threat in order to install a puppet leader more amenable to their regime, and then dissolves to the hero unironically giving a speech about the high-minded ideals of Starfleet? I didn't like STD at all but the above is what made it my Eternal Enemy.
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Jul 15, 2020 20:10
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Owlbear Camus posted:Remember how the end of Disco Season 1 was the Federation planting a weapon of genocidal destruction on their adversary's homeworld as a coercive terror threat in order to install a puppet leader more amenable to their regime, and then dissolves to the hero unironically giving a speech about the high-minded ideals of Starfleet? Also, this was presented as a creative and peaceful alternative to detonating the weapon and committing genocide, in a "No, wait. I have a better way" kind of way, rather than something that has been done on the regular for the past few decades
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Jul 16, 2020 03:04
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Martytoof posted:Oh gently caress now I want them to do a Trials and Tribble-ations type live action/cartoon mashup with TOS DS9 or TNG Have one or more of these characters show up as holo-characters in S2 of Picard, Who Framed Roger Rabbit style. I hadn't watched the trailer up to now based on other peoples bad impressions and it looks...fun? Sure I'm not expecting greatness but it looks like it has a genuine love of the franchise.
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Jul 16, 2020 05:11
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Senor Tron posted:I hadn't watched the trailer up to now based on other peoples bad impressions and it looks...fun? Goons hate fun.
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Jul 16, 2020 15:56
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Technowolf posted:Goons hate fun. Right now I'm hoping that it's a bad trailer that's tried to jam as many jokes as possible into a short sequence without any of the pacing or buildup that would actually make them funny.
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Jul 16, 2020 16:06
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Right now I'm hoping that it's a bad trailer that's tried to jam as many jokes as possible into a short sequence without any of the pacing or buildup that would actually make them funny.
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Jul 16, 2020 16:12
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I'm fully expecting it to be middling but I really hope they can keep it fun without going FULL ZANY.
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Jul 16, 2020 16:14
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Senor Tron posted:I hadn't watched the trailer up to now based on other peoples bad impressions and it looks...fun? We live in lower posterior part of the ship ha-ha-ha
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Jul 16, 2020 16:19
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Martytoof posted:I'm fully expecting it to be middling but I really hope they can keep it fun without going FULL ZANY. This is still better than picard
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Jul 16, 2020 20:20
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We're finally at the stage of this brand where people are saying this week's episode of The Simpsons wasn't *that* bad
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Jul 16, 2020 20:28
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Please. People were saying that in season 5. They just didn’t know the horrors that awaited them.
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Jul 17, 2020 03:08
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Owlbear Camus posted:Remember how the end of Disco Season 1 was the Federation planting a weapon of genocidal destruction on their adversary's homeworld as a coercive terror threat in order to install a puppet leader more amenable to their regime, and then dissolves to the hero unironically giving a speech about the high-minded ideals of Starfleet? "Nation-building is never pretty" 
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Jul 17, 2020 05:16
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s so hard to do any trailers for comedies They should just do a simple, stand-alone scene that conveys the tone of the show but isn't actually taken from an episode.
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Jul 17, 2020 05:20
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Peachfart posted:Also, that they don't bother to develop any characters except Michael. Who is still pretty badly developed. And he was even worse.
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Jul 18, 2020 09:07
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Saru also got some development.
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Jul 18, 2020 09:25
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Saru's writing is just a mess. His arc was clearly set up to be overcoming/learning to be brave in the face of his natural fear instincts. Then they decided his species was oppressed and being killed pre-secondary-puberty in the lead up to season 2, and who cares if it doesn't fit with any of the previous references. And the second puberty solved all of his cowardice issues and freed his people!
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Jul 18, 2020 09:54
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Tiggum posted:They should just do a simple, stand-alone scene that conveys the tone of the show but isn't actually taken from an episode. Like a demo!
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Jul 18, 2020 10:04
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Strong Convections posted:Saru's writing is just a mess. His arc was clearly set up to be overcoming/learning to be brave in the face of his natural fear instincts. Like gently caress prime directive, kirk style oh wait he didn't exist yet
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Jul 18, 2020 16:18
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Strong Convections posted:Saru's writing is just a mess. His arc was clearly set up to be overcoming/learning to be brave in the face of his natural fear instincts. Agreed on his writing being a mess. Largely because that arc was over before the show started. Sure, he talked a lot about how being a prey species meant he was a scared little bunny rabbit. But whenever a decision point came, he always did the brave, noble thing instead of just running away (or passively awaiting death). Particularly during the times he found himself in command. There's nothing wrong with a character constantly fighting a part of himself and (usually) winning -- see Spock's battle against his emotions for all of TOS -- but the writers didn't really seem to know how to handle that, so they kept pretending that finding his bravery was his character arc even though it totally wasn't. The fact that Saru is my favorite STD character comes down, I think, to Doug Jones doing a fantastic job with what he was given.
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https://twitter.com/JBYoder/status/1284332907356516352
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Jul 19, 2020 07:54
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Jul 19, 2020 15:20
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I'm still salty that the cool Romulan ex-Tal Shiar were left behind on Earth 
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Jul 19, 2020 19:50
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Torrannor posted:I'm still salty that the cool Romulan ex-Tal Shiar were left behind on Earth They had to protect Number One!!
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Jul 19, 2020 21:12
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egon_beeblebrox posted:They had to protect Number One!! Waiting for the better TNG spinoff, “Number One” where the two badass Tal Shiar farmhands go on adventures with the doggo.
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Martytoof posted:Waiting for the better TNG spinoff, “Number One” where the two badass Tal Shiar farmhands go on adventures with the doggo. I'd want to say I'd watch this adorable cartoon but I'm not sure how many fingers the monkey's paw has left.
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