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AJ_Impy posted:What’s my current assignment? You are currently the CO of the Corvette Alpetragius, and are also the squadron's commander.
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Short range just means it needs a tanker buddy! No need to drag all the fuel around to every point in every system. Similarly I don't usually use armed surveyors in my games, survey fleets get a little observer friend with good passive sensors to buzz around before the main fleet moves in. Short deployment time is annoying though since they have to come back for R&R. I started sketching up a system defense missile destroyer, but didn't finish it. Also, the save is about 30 days away from finishing a fuel efficiency tech, so designs should probably include that if they're making new engines anyway.
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Virtual Russian posted:Do you mind posting a component list? Not until tomorrow - it is late.
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What!? Noooooo! (please name a ship after the guy who was named after me)
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A - Not even a contest, the 0 colony cost planet averages closer than option B and about the same as option C. Neutronium shortage is annoying, but one of the moons or asteroids should have some. C - Build that economy, also, we're already running a money deficit, we can't afford to pay sailors. A - This was a hard choice. I would prefer to spend less on the army, but militarized police are bad so I guess send soldiers there with something to do other than harassing civilians. Besides, seeing the new ground forces builder should be interesting. Thank you for sharing the save.
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CBA Firstly I must insist on us colonizing the system surveyed bravely by yours truly, and also that one of the planets should be renamed in my honour when we do so. I suggest "Purpleheim" or "Purpleville" or possibly "Purpburg." Just to immortalize me. Secondly we need guns. Thidly we need more guns. [attached to the communique is an outsized .bmp file drawing of a new surveyor vessel bristling with guns "in case of alien encounters" that would slow it to a crawl and make it completely unable to effectively perform its primary surveying mission. it's also been decorated with racing stripes] For real though, are our surveyors actually armed/would it be worthwhile to arm them or are single ships of the surveyor size generally too irrelevant in combat for it to be worth it for a single surveyor to do anything other than leg it, or explode, if it actually encounters something hostile?
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Jul 18, 2020 08:16
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My policy votes: A. Adrastapol Get that colony cost 0 world! Not requiring infrastructure is going to be huge for developing this planet quickly, especially as we won't have to spend time hauling infrastructure out there -- time better spent instead hauling things like mines and factories and DST's. B. The Navy can make do with a few new ships. Especially as colony protection factor is going to become a thing once we settle outside of Sol. Don't want to colonize Adrastapol too quickly and then suddenly they start rebelling because there's nothing in-system to protect them. A. We must fortify Europa from future attacks, install Surface-to-Orbit weapons Are we really wanting to be the kind of state that rules through fear of the police? Just put some guns in orbit to watch the skies for potential enemy attack and the people will be happy.
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Jul 18, 2020 08:37
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PurpleXVI posted:For real though, are our surveyors actually armed/would it be worthwhile to arm them or are single ships of the surveyor size generally too irrelevant in combat for it to be worth it for a single surveyor to do anything other than leg it, or explode, if it actually encounters something hostile? As I recall from the last Aurora LP I saw, burning too many resources on anything armed early on is a poor move, as it means the fleet we rush into production will be hopelessly obsolete within a handful of years as we start researching actual armaments. Which I why I cast my votes toward investing heavily in infrastructure, so that when the cool guns are finally researched, we can construct more of them, more quickly.
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Jul 18, 2020 08:47
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Do you mind random Aurora questions in this thread? I’m trying to figure it out right now and I realized I have a question that didn’t come up in this thread but relates to something you must have already done.
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Jul 18, 2020 09:51
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NHO posted:Can I be a Scientist? Sure, a brave choice. Pirate Radar posted:Do you mind random Aurora questions in this thread? I’m trying to figure it out right now and I realized I have a question that didn’t come up in this thread but relates to something you must have already done. Go for it. Hopefully myself or someone else can answer. Aurora can be a bit frustrating at times because there isn't really a manual anywhere. I know stuff about the old version of the game, and then I've read most of the change logs from the new version. The change lists on the Aurora forum function kinda like a manual, but they only explain changes in C# Aurora that weren't in VB Aurora.
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I can’t figure out how to get gravity survey sensors? Did I gently caress something up, or do they have a prerequisite I don’t know about? Geo survey sensors are a research option for me but not grav survey sensors. So I can’t survey Lagrange points, the ships just sort of sit there.
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My vote is: ACA The space army needs to build up and General Romanova is correct. Though, I feel the Naval cabal has been hard at work quashing the development of troop transports to further their own agenda (and stifle the promotion of good officers like Captain BUG JUG). A war cannot be won by space alone! We need to build up our army!
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Pirate Radar posted:I can’t figure out how to get gravity survey sensors? Did I gently caress something up, or do they have a prerequisite I don’t know about? Geo survey sensors are a research option for me but not grav survey sensors. So I can’t survey Lagrange points, the ships just sort of sit there. Have you researched Jump Point Theory? I think that is the prerequisite.
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Gnoman posted:Have you researched Jump Point Theory? I think that is the prerequisite. Don’t think so! Which category is that?
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Jul 18, 2020 14:19
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C# Aurora hasn't ported the interface for showing compatible classes yet, but kept the logic for it. A shipyard tooled for one class can build anything that's refit cost is 15% of its total, plus a penalty for size changes. A shipyard tooled for the colony ship can build the freighter (can also build our existing freighters) Colony Ship  Cargo Ship  - They are 2/3 payload and 1/3 overhead by tonnage - They're assuming an update to the existing 40HS commercial engine to add the fuel tech we get in a month (204RP, may not be worth it). Using the existing one drops range to 10.6 bkm. - They have range for operating round-trip inside Sol. If we do cross-system traffic, they want our one existing tanker to either sit on the jump point or stockpile fuel at the far end. Pirate Radar posted:Don't think so! Which category is that? PurpleXVI posted:For real though, are our surveyors actually armed/would it be worthwhile to arm them or are single ships of the surveyor size generally too irrelevant in combat for it to be worth it for a single surveyor to do anything other than leg it, or explode, if it actually encounters something hostile? e: Warships! These are trying to minimize new components. Basic design goal was to throw biggest missile salvo at longest range that is practical with our current tech. Missile -Picked 4 units of boom for the payload. Armor in aurora works by each ship having a grid of Armor Level x Size boxes. An incoming weapon picks a random column to hit, then drops its damage template down that column connect-4 style until it finds an undestroyed box. Any damage that gets to the bottom is applied to internal systems. Each weapon type has a different shaped template as it adds boom. Missiles use a triangle, so a 4-damage strike always penetrates at least 1 armor level. - Picked 1:1 missile size to boom for a size-4 missile. C# Aurora changed the way missile scaling works so that small missiles are no longer always better than big ones. - Picked 12000km/s for the speed since it's a nice round number With those constraints, the best missile range we can do is 26mkm  This is a 220RP project. A fire control with matching range targeting 1000 ton ships is another 156RP  Shooter For a firing platform, took a 1000 ton shell, gave it a reasonable combat speed using existing engines, enough range to get around the inside of Sol, a 1 year maintenance cycle, and filled the rest of the space with box launchers (these need research but they're like 20RP and don't need upgrades for the rest of the game)  They have no armor and will die immediately to anything that outranges them or that can survive a missile strike and then catch them. They're also can't spot targets for themselves, a search sensor with enough range is too big. They also have no passive sensors vs our existing Gladius FAC's: (-) Kobold can't self-spot (-) Kobold has no railgun to beat up civilians (-) Kobold needs more maintenance (+) Kobold has 2.5X missile range (+) Kobold has 2X boom (+) Kobold has 7X fuel range (=) Equal speed (=) Equally fragile vs our existing Zeus gunboat (different role), guestimating about a flight of ~5 Kobolds to destroy one in one pass. Zeus armor takes ~8 hits to penetrate, the missiles have ~40% hit rate, and the Zeus point defense will shoot down about 4 missiles per salvo on average. Spotter For spotting, fitted our existing sensors onto a hull, then added a new search sensor to cover the missile envelope (600RP!). It's primary defense is an armor belt (expected value is 44 size-4 hits to penetrate). Added a hanger deck, magazine, and extra fuel to reload the Kobolds. (Refuel/rearm is annoying on the interface since there's no way to queue each order). Each ones is intended to support ~8 kobolds and get off one reload per combat encounter (it's 100minutes per kobold to reload, so it depends how rapidly an enemy can close)  Costs a little more than a Zeus, cost is 25% engines, 33% armor, remainder systems (Zeus is 30% engines, 17% point defense, 13% armor, remainder systems) Foxfire_ fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jul 18, 2020 |
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Jul 18, 2020 19:05
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Now that is a well thought out pair of ships.
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I look forward to once we've got some more advanced technology researched and maybe a couple spare shipyards, so I can try designing our flagship. It'll be great, I promise.
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Virtual Russian posted:Do you mind posting a component list?  The only new component is the highlighted engine, which fills a niche the other ones did not - the commercial drives are too weak, and the military ones are too thirsty. From an RP perspective, the purpose of this design is that the populace at large is going to be more accepting of a "Exploration ship with organic self defense capability" than they are "giant warship". I've got a design for a purely military version of the ship as well. Now that I've checked, you can build this design from the same shipyard, so I'll put it here (and go back and add it to the proposal for easier reference). code: As far as I can tell, a shipyard configured for an Endeavour will be able to build a Aswan or even an Odysseus.
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The answer given is correct. Jump Point Theory is the prerequisite to any kind of extrasolar travel and as such you sort of have to do it at a certain point.
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Jul 19, 2020 02:28
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Could you dwarf MrMojangles as a scientist, budget an extra 10% of salary for life insurance premium
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Jul 19, 2020 02:52
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A 1000-ton
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I'm going to run the policy vote until tomorrow around 2pm EDT. I'll also start the vote on ship designs around that time. If we still don't have enough civilian designs I'll make a few that fit distinct roles to augment what is already in here.sebmojo posted:Could you dwarf MrMojangles as a scientist, budget an extra 10% of salary for life insurance premium You are in.
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Vote: A: Adrastapol B: a few new ships A: Surface to orbit weaponry We should start thinking of new names to, I propose Glory Hole for Adrastapol.
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Should put an EM sensor on this so it can tell when something targets it instead of having to wait till the thermal picks up the missiles. Also, I don't think the missile detection sensor does anything? It doesn't have any fleet point defense weapons.Radio Free Kobold posted:A 1000-ton For the tin cans, could also drop the extra missile range and go back to ~12mkm like our other missiles. That: (1) gets rid of the need for a separate spotter shipyard [sensor variant can share], (2) most of the extra research for the search sensor and fire control, (3) adds some extra warhead/quantity/speed to the missiles instead of the range, (4) adds some more tubes to the ships (fire control shrinks). But as soon as they don't outrange an opponent, they crumble.
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Foxfire_ posted:Should put an EM sensor on this so it can tell when something targets it instead of having to wait till the thermal picks up the missiles. Also, I don't think the missile detection sensor does anything? It doesn't have any fleet point defense weapons. Unless it has been changed or I'm missing something, C# requires the ship to be able to see the missile for any defenses to engage it, including CIWS. So deleting the missile detector will prevent it from protecting itself.
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Each CIWS gets a built-in always-on zero-emissions active sensor to shoot at any missiles right before they impact. Only non-CIWS point defenses needs a dedicated sensor On the downside, every copy of that CIWS is paying 0.25HS for another sensor.
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Foxfire_ posted:C# Aurora hasn't ported the interface for showing compatible classes yet, but kept the logic for it. A shipyard tooled for one class can build anything that's refit cost is 15% of its total, plus a penalty for size changes. By using the default Fuel tanks of 250k litres you can increase the range of these to just under 30b km and it only costs 1km/s. You deployment time is also at 12 months. Did C# add a reason to increase the deployment time of civilian ships over 3 months? If there is, you can give it a deployment time equal to it's range (16 months) and only drop the speed of the cargo ship with full size tanks down to 683km/s.  Running the numbers to optimize the number of cargo shuttles says you're right on the money there. It also says round trip time for any of these colonies is going to be half a year. This is going to be sloooooow. Really glad we put a starter colony on the moon. That should help finances a lot. Here's the Colony ship for completeness. The Completely Ethical freezes people for over a year and very definitely doesn't cook any of them for too long when thawing them out.  Originally intended more as a thought experiment than anything else, the Sufficient is a colony ship with integral infrastructure. It can carry 4 infrastructure, which should be just enough for it's 40k colonists on a colony cost 2 world, of which we have many. This way there's none of that accidental murders that so often occurs due to how many more colonists a colony ship can transport than the equivalent freighter. Interestingly, It's 15% faster than the single purpose colony ship, which shaves almost 50 days off the round trip. I think this might be our best colony ship option unless the 0 colony cost colony gets picked.  I just noticed that we have a 100k Civilian yard. I don't know what you're planning on using that for, but it might make sense to triple the size of these designs and build them there. *** I usually prefer to split my geo-survey and grav-survey ships. However, we've got a 2k naval shipyard, so here's my attempt at squeezing a survey craft in under that size. The Opportunity is a dual purpose grav/geo surveyor. It has the most optimal deployment time of all possibilities, 69 months (a happy accident, the math just worked out that way). It is size limited so it needs a custom fitted engine, and I used the .8 fuel efficiency tech that comes in next month.  It took several iterations, but I'm honestly pretty happy with this design finally. It beats out the current design in several categories. Most importantly it's both a fraction of the size and cost. Oops, you didn't need survey designs. Sorry. *** In penance, here is a Troop Transport. The Minimal class is capable of transporting any of our current ground units and can easily be built in any civilian yard, or even in a new civilian yard.  Giving it a large fuel storage meant it would take 4 years to reach it's maximum range, which is ridiculous, so I trimmed it down a bit to something saner and boosted the speed by a few km/s. LLSix fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Jul 19, 2020 |
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We have more than one Survey vessel design so i'll definitely put them into the vote. We could certainly use more, especially if we can produce one in a shipyard otherwise unused.
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Colony Target: A The lack of neutronium will hamper a possible future development of Naval construction, but until this is even remotely on the agenda, sufficient shipping will exist for us to make good of the lack of ressources. Fleet programme: B While we expand our teritory we need forces to cover our extrasolar colonies and patrol our shipping lanes. Which requires fleet units tailored towards this role, espeacially a long range escort/patrol-craft as well as local defensive squadrons comprised of FACs Europa defence: B As much as it pains me, permanent emplacement of a second line of defences is currently infeasible. The creation of a single STO-battery would tie up a quarter of our training capacity for fourteen months. Adding the required support and command elements will tie up half of our training capacity for almost two years. If such forces are created in the future, which I strongly urge our leadership to do, priority must be with our extrasolar colonies. I furthermore inquire our scientific to evaluate the possibility to embed civilian archeologists with a small formation of Marines to investigate the alien ruins scattered over our territory. If alien ruins exist we have to know what has lead to the destruction of these colonies. If there is a species killing other aliens, we must need to know as much as possible to properly prepare for a potential conflict.
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Vote: A: Adrastapol B: a few new ships A: Surface to orbit weaponry So mote it be.
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So, I have a few questions about Aurora that I'll be using to inform my future decisions related to both policy and possible ship designs: -Is ramming a tactic a ship class can be told to employ? Say, if said ship were just a stripped-down hunk of metal with some overpowered engines strapped to the back to maximize its speed and maybe also stuffed full of explosives? -How capable are we of robbing other cultures we encounter of their researched technologies? And is "from their smoking corpses" a viable avenue of acquiring these technologies? -What's the biggest ship chassis that can be stuffed full of military hardware, and when will it be feasible to produce it? -Can military ships be fitted with survey and diplomatic modules alongside their weapons and shields? Say, a giant ship designed with a continuing mission to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, and to boldly go where no one has gone before? -Are shuttles/fighter craft/etc. just another piece of equipment for ships, like guns or engines, or will we eventually be designing small craft to be stored inside larger ships?
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A: Colonize Adrastapol! Seize that Gaian planet! B: The Navy can make do with a few new ships. One squadron of the Kobold-class tin cans and one of their associated tenders. Enough that we have something but, frankly, it's much better to invest in growth and industry. B. We will install a respectable garrison to function as a police force. As above, defense is just not a priority right now.
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EclecticTastes posted:So, I have a few questions about Aurora that I'll be using to inform my future decisions related to both policy and possible ship designs: -I... don't believe there's ramming in this game, but I can't say for certain. In game terms anyway, overpowered engines + stuffed full of explosives = a missile, so theoretically you could just... build really huge missiles  -Depending on the settings at save start, conquering an alien population has a chance to give you their technologies. You can also earn progress toward technologies by recovering artifacts from alien ruins. -The sky's the limit, there are no set "chassis". You can make something as small as a couple hundred tons (theoretically), or something as big as millions. Of course it wouldn't be cost-effective or time-efficient to do so, but it is possible. -Survey yes, diplomatic I'm not sure... the diplomatic module is actually new since Aurora C#. I usually just make a specific diplomatic ship whose job it is to a.) have the module and b.) just kinda sit in-system where there are alien races. But yes, a Star Trek style "all-in-one" ship is very doable. -Fighters/FACs are designed just like ships are (for that matter, guns and engines are also designed, so....)
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So what's stopping us from making a 1000 ton unmanned missile with a range measured in AUs?
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Drone posted:-I... don't believe there's ramming in this game, but I can't say for certain. In game terms anyway, overpowered engines + stuffed full of explosives = a missile, so theoretically you could just... build really huge missiles I just assumed there's an upper limit on how big you can make a missile and that if we needed some extra punch we could make a few that are the size of capital ships. You know. Just in case.
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Radio Free Kobold posted:So what's stopping us from making a 1000 ton unmanned missile with a range measured in AUs? Need a launcher large enough to shoot it. There may be an upper limit on launcher size, I haven't checked.
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Do missiles have HTK the same as ships do, or is a big missile just as easy for CIWS to kill as a small one?
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Drone posted:-Depending on the settings at save start, conquering an alien population has a chance to give you their technologies. You can also earn progress toward technologies by recovering artifacts from alien ruins.
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