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Discovery is too modern grimdark, but it also throws around optimistic and hopeful as buzzwords after the fact. The show is like 30 minutes of a dumpster fire, someone says "wait, I have a creative solution", and then they spray the arsonist with a water cannon until the arsonist puts out the dumpster fire by shoveling dirt into the dumpster. After that, the show is over and it's considered a diplomatic success because the arsonist didn't get shot, but you can't help but feel they could've done something different.
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Strong Convections posted:I feel like 5 minutes ago everyone was making GBS threads on Discovery for being too modern grimdark, and now everyone's making GBS threads on it because they think it'll be too optimistic and hopeful, I just No, they're making GBS threads on it because it's generally been bad and expecting that to change requires the sort of hope and optimism Discovery will never be able to portray in a believable manner. Also it''ll probably still be modern grimdark, only now the characters will have motivations and reactions even less connected with the events of the show than season 1 and 2.
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Jul 28, 2020 01:21
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Yeah, I can accept that - people don't think it'll be able to pull off what it's going for. Michael is not an inspiring character (though she's framed as one), and she'll probably be the one driving it. At least restoring the federation and its values is an optimistic premise.
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Jul 28, 2020 01:38
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The only way I'd respect this season is if they try to give idealistic speeches to a bunch of people who have centuries of history on the failures of Starfleet and it's bullshit, have no desire to 'rebuild the Federation', and who most importantly are doing perfectly fine without it. And the crew come off as some giant loving weirdos trying to re-institute feudalism or some poo poo as far as these people are concerned.
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Jul 28, 2020 01:45
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Let's all just go ahead and lower our expectations about them doing anything interesting with the premise. Gonna save a lot of heartbreak.
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Jul 28, 2020 01:46
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Strong Convections posted:I feel like 5 minutes ago everyone was making GBS threads on Discovery for being too modern grimdark, and now everyone's making GBS threads on it because they think it'll be too optimistic and hopeful, I just You are talking to the same thread that spent every week of Discovery season 2 complaining that they should have just made a Pike/Enterprise show then immediately responded to the announcement of the Pike/Enterprise show with "oh no this is terrible news" I'm not sure what you actually expected.
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Jul 28, 2020 01:54
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A Star Trek show set at Utopia Planitia and it's just construction workers shooting the poo poo and going to work and enjoying Martian vistas.
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Jul 28, 2020 01:55
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Gonz posted:A Star Trek show set at Utopia Planitia and it's just construction workers shooting the poo poo and going to work and enjoying Martian vistas. Oh a Picard prequel
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Jul 28, 2020 01:59
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feedmyleg posted:Let's all just go ahead and lower our expectations about them doing anything interesting with the premise. Gonna save a lot of heartbreak.  (No "oooh, look how WEIRD it is to have a WOMAN in charge" or "oooh, our crew DOESN'T stone the GAYS, praise us for othering these people by drawing attention to them as a separate group but NOT murdering them") Just give me some good old fashioned crab bucket mentality of people not wanting better things for their kids.
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Jul 28, 2020 02:00
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Seemlar posted:You are talking to the same thread that spent every week of Discovery season 2 complaining that they should have just made a Pike/Enterprise show then immediately responded to the announcement of the Pike/Enterprise show with "oh no this is terrible news" No, people expressed disbelief that the same creative forces behind the previous two disappointing shows could do that straightforward premise justice even with Anson Mount's Pike carrying the show. I can't recall anyone saying it was terrible news.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-6zx4HnCB0 shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHhVVdpN3PE chaser In the modern political context wealthy liberals eulogizing hope sounds a lot like they're hoping somebody else fixes everything.
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Strong Convections posted:As long as they don't have some bullshit episodes where they go to planet X with regressive value Y and hang a lampshade on the crew's progressive values I'll probably find it watchable So make it different from TNG, you mean.
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Jul 28, 2020 02:28
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I want the final episode of Disco season 3 to just be Riker and Troi inexplicably watching the founding of the Nu-Federation on the holodeck.
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HD DAD posted:I want the final episode of Disco season 3 to just be Riker and Troi inexplicably watching the founding of the Nu-Federation on the holodeck. Maybe the entire thing would of been immersive holodeck therapy for Burnham's "I'm the most important person in the universe" complex
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Jul 28, 2020 04:06
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HD DAD posted:I want the final episode of Disco season 3 to just be Riker and Troi inexplicably watching the founding of the Nu-Federation on the holodeck. Or they wipe away every canon issue ever by just making it that all the Star Trek series up to now are 31st century recreations of the golden age of the Federation, with occasional mistakes.
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Jul 28, 2020 04:12
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picard and the new grand nagus on a wine and charity tour for displaced romulans. risa, betazed, qo'ons and all the other fun places, like a vacation show. legit not kidding.
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E: ah poo poo sorry this is the wrong thread i think, old trek not new trek!!
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Jul 28, 2020 04:47
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Tighclops posted:No, people expressed disbelief that the same creative forces behind the previous two disappointing shows could do that straightforward premise justice even with Anson Mount's Pike carrying the show. I can't recall anyone saying it was terrible news.
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Strong Convections posted:
I was being sarcastic because I don't think that's optimistic or hopeful at all, it's just the producers always claim it is and that it 'lives you to the optimism of Star Trek'.
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Jul 28, 2020 06:13
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31st century is nothing new for trek, but they will surely gently caress up some canon stuff. Maybe the writers saw that still of destroyed SF on memory alpha? But hey at least we can get cool vulcan ships like XRT-55D
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Jul 28, 2020 09:47
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Discovery is a show made by people who thought that people watched Star Trek for the Technobabble and can't understand that the technobabble was only ever there as far as it was necessary to set up sci-fi allegories of moral problems and solutions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if-m-bWGrsw
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Jul 28, 2020 10:07
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Why do people keep making me defend Discovery? I'm a fan, but there's a lot wrong with it. And some opinions on it's failures are just wrong. The show is not about technobabble. Like, at all. Season 1 is about the road to hell being paved with good intentions. Season 2 is more muddled but it's about family (cue Carrie Fisher). There are a few awkward lines about science and maths, and they're so cringey they're very easy to recall. But let's tech the tech to reverse the polarity of the electron flow to the deflector is much more prevalent in, say, Voyager.
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Jul 28, 2020 10:38
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I still think all of Modern Trek's problems are based around the clash between what syndicated Trek was, and the format of modern Prestige TV. The need to be shackled to an plot arc combined with the smaller number of episodes means that seasons feel both rushed and drawn out - each episode must be in service of the plot, but the plot isn't complex enough to really hold up everything so there's a lot of "go to point A to get to point B to get to point C". And yet there's very little room to breathe. Characters are introduced just to be killed an episode or two later for nonsensical reasons because there's no time to develop them into people the audience actually care about, not with the Plot to service. Either trim the fat and make a tight, plot focused series with a small amount of major characters that can be properly developed, or make more episodes so that the audience can hang out with your ensemble properly while the plot chugs along in the background.
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Jul 28, 2020 11:10
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It's just made by untalented people. There's not much more to it than that.
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Jul 28, 2020 11:59
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Characters are introduced just to be killed an episode or two later for nonsensical reasons because there's no time to develop them into people the audience actually care about, not with the Plot to service. The perfect time to give Airiam some airtime and establish her relationship with some characters would have been when they go to rescue Tilly from May. There was no good reason to take Michael. Airiam would have had advantages over your average human in a place that tries to break down organic matter - I can't help but think it was some writer's idea at some point since they point out they're not keen on eating the metal of the ship. Give her Michael's screentime in that and a little peppered through the next 3 episodes, and the Daedalus episode wouldn't have felt so forced and may have actually had some emotion to it. It's not that everything is in service to the Plot, it's that everything is in service to Michael being the Main Character.
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Jul 28, 2020 12:33
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There are some talented people working on this show, especially on the effects side. But the people in charge of its creative direction are a circular firing squad who have had only a couple of decent ideas so far.
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Lizard Combatant posted:It's just made by untalented people. There's also a lot of good things in both DISCO and Picard, otherwise I wouldn't be so loving annoyed that they're both hot messes. EDIT: Strong Convections posted:I'm going to assume the example you're thinking of is Airiam (since i haven't seen Picard). The problem there was that Michael has to be involved in everything because they decided to have a main character for Discovery. In Picard I was thinking of Maddox, who was literally the McGuffin until he randomly turned up in a casino because.. his lab was destroyed? But wasn't his lab on the planet with the Synths? Anyway, then he died. Also I'm super salty about Hugh's death because it was a waste of a good character but I guess we needed more time for Sci Fi Legolas Strong Convections posted:It's not that everything is in service to the Plot, it's that everything is in service to Michael being the Main Character. This is also true. Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jul 28, 2020 |
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Jul 28, 2020 12:39
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Can we all just agree that the show we want is essentially Food Wishes from YouTube but hosted by old, fat Will Riker?
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Jul 28, 2020 12:48
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A lot of the stuff with Maddox never made sense Like you said, there’s a whole thing about him being in debt to Vajazzle because of him needing a new lab or whatever, but when we get to the synth homeworld there is a lab there. I also don’t recall a reason as to why he left the planet in the first place. I’m assuming the lab that got blown up was the one that shows up in Soji’s dream? They never explain.
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Martytoof posted:Can we all just agree that the show we want is essentially Food Wishes from YouTube but hosted by old, fat Will Riker? Yes, I'm in 100% in agreement with this. Any part of Star Trek: Picard that wasn't fat riker making pizzas in the woods or the awesome and totally cool romulan assistants on earth was a complete waste of my time.
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Jul 28, 2020 15:58
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God. Picard having turned into essentially old Tintin with his trusty pup at his side, solving mysteries aided by Fat Riker and the Romulan servants would have been such a better show.
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Jul 28, 2020 16:03
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G-III posted:God. Picard having turned into essentially old Tintin with his trusty pup at his side, solving mysteries aided by Fat Riker and the Romulan servants would have been such a better show. Including running gag with Picard turning up weapons hidden in increasingly silly places in his house.
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Jul 28, 2020 16:04
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I would have watched an entire series of Weird poo poo Happens At The Borg Cube.
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Jul 28, 2020 16:26
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I would have watched an entire series of Weird poo poo Happens At The Borg Cube. Like they teased that there were maybe areas on the ship that the Borg still controlled or that were dangerous and it never comes up again And don’t get me started on the whole ‘Seven takes control of the Cube, activates the drones, and they are immediately blown out into space’ thing
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Jul 28, 2020 17:13
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Can't wait to have three new trek shows to complain about Serious post
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Jul 28, 2020 17:19
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Modern Star Trek: infinite wasted premises in infinite combinations
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Jul 28, 2020 17:20
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How about fat Riker hosting Beyond Belief: Borg Stuff “But how did 8 of 14 see the puppy’s heat signature without his cortical implant?”
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This one was true. It happened to a nausican vacationing on rigel.
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