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RazzleDazzleHour posted:??? Sae has a palace you have to visit to stop her from creating false evidence to send a bunch of kids to jail forever, Makoto is fine Palaces are a symptom, not a root cause. Sae's character arc is essentially: Inspired by cool cop dad to stop crime -> Enters corrupt system -> Participates in corrupt system to gain rank -> Palace forms as she loses sight of things -> With nudging from PTs realizes she shouldn't continue doing this -> Resigns Makoto's aspiration of joining the police and rooting out the corruption is admirable in theory, but naive. She would be bottom of the ladder with no sway, or need to be complicit so that the corrupt cops that already have power don't remove her for trying to rock the boat. Persona is ultimately a fantasy fiction though and that's ok, and the thing I said before about all the good persona cops punching the bad ones is what will happen. Gruckles fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jul 12, 2020 |
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She could also be one of those cops who is actually good and gets run out by the other cops, thus deciding the whole thing is too rotten to reform from within. I mean, it seems unlikely she’ll develop much between games as it seems like the past character cameos don’t work like that, but if you can overthrow god you can overthrow bad canon.
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MACABto Nijima Chie SatonACAB ACABhiko Sanada
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Gruckles posted:Makoto's aspiration of joining the police and rooting out the corruption is admirable in theory, but naive. She would be bottom of the ladder with no sway, or need to be complicit so that the corrupt cops that already have power don't remove her for trying to rock the boat. not sure how it works in Japan but in my country you can go to university and apply for officer positions and middle management positions in the police force by virtue if your law degree. It’s not impossible to get slotted in somewhere halfway the ladder and immediately start rocking tge boat, but ofc whether the people below and above her roll with it is a different matter Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Jul 12, 2020 |
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Deltasquid posted:not sure how it works in Japan but in my country you can go to university and apply for officer positions and middle management positions in the police force by virtue if your law degree. It’s not impossible to get slotted in somewhere halfway the ladder and immediately start rocking tge boat, but ofc whether the people below and above her roll with it is a different matter I'm sure in many police forces it's possible for a grad to get slotted in a bit up the ladder if you have the qualification, but youd be nowhere near a position capable of rocking the boat in a meaningful sense. These organisations are designed to ensure that the only way to get to the top is to be a known quantity who has been in the system as a while and is therefore a part of it and wont want to change anything too much.
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I think working in the political arena would give you much more ability to bring change than being a single cop. Makoto is gonna get chewed up and spit out.
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the game goes out of its way to not examine these structures of power, either law enforcement or public prosecution, it simply examines a few avatars of such--papa and sae niijima respectively. the only cops you get are blank faceless nothings who serve as a plot device for the opening/framing device, and papa niijima, who by all accounts was a very complicated character of noble honest and good. the problem of prosecution is very blatantly ignored by the game; one lawyer is just the SIU director who could be replaced by the weird council from evangelion and nobody would notice and was barely a character, and sae is the other. As mentioned earlier in this thread, sae is working to railroad people in exactly the same way as your main character gets railroaded by Shido, her solution to fixing the grand problem after you cure her crazy casino brain is to just listen to the cops and go to jail, and at the very end, her solution is to drop out and become a defense attorney. the game very clearly presents policing and prosecution as things that are not problems, because solving systemic problems using magic beefbody demons is the thesis statement of the entire game and it leaves both of these completely alone after addressing surface level problems with them. so in this video game for children written by japanese millionaires, no, cops and the prosecutorial system are not bad and neither are the fictional characters that pursue them
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Ultiville posted:She could also be one of those cops who is actually good and gets run out by the other cops, thus deciding the whole thing is too rotten to reform from within. I mean, it seems unlikely she’ll develop much between games as it seems like the past character cameos don’t work like that, but if you can overthrow god you can overthrow bad canon. Honestly the proposed Makoto/Chie/Akihiko vigilante punch society with Naoto as the brains feels like the way to go. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jul 12, 2020 |
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Zvahl posted:the game goes out of its way to not examine these structures of power, either law enforcement or public prosecution, it simply examines a few avatars of such--papa and sae niijima respectively. Someone forgot the suites who literally beat up your character, tell him the camera won't save him, and force him to sign a confession as the second thing that happens in the game. Also, Akihiko is only a cop in ~Trinity~. Otherwise, he's a bear punching wanderer for justice. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jul 12, 2020 |
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Can we please move on and stop demanding that a game about fighting terrible people with magic brain demons present the model for reforming the very concept of policing because a teenage girl said she hopes to someday be an honest cop to emulate her father? Especially when she’s the most openly pissed about their abuses of power. This whole argument is somehow worse than waifu wars and Akechi stans .
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While there is corruption in Japan.The police there aren’t known to murder people constantly like they do in US maybe leave Japan’s police out of the current political debate.
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AlternateNu posted:Someone forgot the suites who literally beat up your character, tell him the camera won't save him, and force him to sign a confession as the second thing that happens in the game. yar i rolled them up with the faceless schmucks who arrest your character after the shido incident before the game I suppose it's sort of a critique on the state of things, but they only really get violent in the super heightened and dramatic opening, after that it's all you and sae in a room talking about bufudyne for 100 hours
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the new villain did nothing wrong btw
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Tired Moritz posted:the new villain did nothing wrong btw 
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Tired Moritz posted:the new villain did nothing
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My favorite part about his "ideal world" was that instead of giving the homeless guy in Shibuya a job, or a house, or a family, or anything, he just brainwashed him into being happy about being homeless. Truly a perfect utopia.
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Giving the homeless a place to live: more difficult than bringing back the dead or turning a cat into a human.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Giving the homeless a place to live: more difficult than bringing back the dead or turning a cat into a human. Just like real life.
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I'm watching the Persona 4 anime after having just finished Golden on Steam and it's not very great but I think it's hilarious that they made Yu give all the sassy or really dumb answer choices from the game. I think I'd enjoy it far less if I hadn't just finished the game tho.
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It's hosed up that everybody gets to wish their dead family members back to life and Sumire doesn't bother wishing back her dead sister.
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CJ posted:It's hosed up that everybody gets to wish their dead family members back to life and Sumire doesn't bother wishing back her dead sister. That is all on Maruki.
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Goodguy3 posted:A Streets of Rage esque Beat 'em Up with Makoto, Chie, and Naoto as the playable characters. So, in other words, River City Girls, by way of Persona? poo poo, not only am I down, but someone call WayForward, they'd probably do it pro-bono
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CJ posted:It's hosed up that everybody gets to wish their dead family members back to life and Sumire doesn't bother wishing back her dead sister. That's because having her sister alive wouldn't fix Sumire's inferiority complex.
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ApplesandOranges posted:That's because having her sister alive wouldn't fix Sumire's inferiority complex. Basically. Maruki tends to “solve” problems in the simplest way possible. Usually only treating surface level desires with little to no concern for deeper issues. People sad about losing loved ones? The loved one is back in an idealized form with thought into why they slot into situations that only exist because of their deaths or negative behavior. Sumire was got a temporary patch job for her inferiority complex and guilt by making her believe she was Kasumi and Maruki considers that “solved”. When his powers grew to reality warping levels, he still didn’t seen any issue with that beyond Sumire starting to see through the delusion. Look at Morgana as well: he got to become Handsome Man, but didn’t get a home, family, or history of any kind. He was still living like a house cat in a human body. And that’s for people he personally knows well enFor anyone else who doesn’t subscribe to philosophy or desires Maruki approves of? They just get brainwashed into being happy with it all. What I’m saying is, Maruki is a terrible, lazy excuse for a self-appointed God of Control
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Magil of Shadow posted:So, in other words, River City Girls, by way of Persona? Aw, you made it sound too good and now I'm sad it won't happen.
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about the villain in the new content in Royal:Geostomp posted:Maruki is a terrible, lazy excuse for a self-appointed God of Control If you want a really good examination of this as opposed to the terrible one in P5R, Kyros in Tyranny is great, though rtwp crpg is a fairly different beast from this one
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Dawgstar posted:Aw, you made it sound too good and now I'm sad it won't happen. The ultimate missed persona opportunity is Dojima joining your team in P4
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:The ultimate missed persona opportunity is Dojima joining your team in P4 arcsys wanted to put dojima in with nanako as a persona in p4u and atlus nixed it because they are hopeless killjoys
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Why the hell is p4g not on switch
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Zvahl posted:arcsys wanted to put dojima in with nanako as a persona in p4u and atlus nixed it because they are hopeless killjoys To add to that, we were robbed of this in P4D: 
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Finished p4g. Really felt the step back in gameplay/QoL stuff from having 5 be the first persona i played, but overall enjoyed the writing more, outside of some of the really bad 'comedy' segments.
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Jackie D posted:Why the hell is p4g not on switch For the same reason none of the mainline Persona games are on a Nintendo platform?
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Give me P5R on PC so I can mod it Atlus, you cowards.
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Zerilan posted:Finished p4g. Really felt the step back in gameplay/QoL stuff from having 5 be the first persona i played, but overall enjoyed the writing more, outside of some of the really bad 'comedy' segments. You can just say 'Teddie.' (I kid. Not much, though.)
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I don't understand how so much of P4 is so good but then Teddie is just such a loving nightmare and every single one of his lines makes me upset
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ApplesandOranges posted:Giving the homeless a place to live: more difficult than bringing back the dead or turning a cat into a human. Kiritani is a former merc and also was aware of the situation at hand that Maruki distorted. That is why he remains "unaffected"
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P4G question: Laughing Table DOES still drop Fitting Board for the quest, right? I have been grinding floors 5-7 in Yukiko’s Castle for a total of 4 hours now. I have every other quest item I need but that one. Anyone? I’m playing the Steam version if that makes a difference.
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HaB posted:P4G question: Laughing Table DOES still drop Fitting Board for the quest, right? First thing I looked up said trance twins on floors 3,4 and 5 of yukikos castle drop them. Then another separate page on the same website said those dudes you’ve been grinding drop them which sounds incorrect if you’ve been there that long so maybe give the former a go?
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thebardyspoon posted:First thing I looked up said trance twins on floors 3,4 and 5 of yukikos castle drop them. Then another separate page on the same website said those dudes you’ve been grinding drop them which sounds incorrect if you’ve been there that long so maybe give the former a go? Yeah the reason it wasn’t dropping is.... ....I hadn’t accepted the quest yet. 😔
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Looks like the english release of Scramble is going to be first quarter 2021HaB posted:Yeah the reason it wasn’t dropping is.... Quest items only drop when you have the quest for them, they replace the enemy's normal drop, but they've got a 100% drop rate if I'm remembering right. speaking of enemy drops two useful things to know: Deidara can need up to ten of a specific item to unlock everything that item can unlock. And certain enemies only spawn on rainy days. They're rare, and they have atrocious droop rates. But they're clearly named and you only ever need one of their drop for the shop.
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