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Zane posted:neither the coronavirus nor the blm movement have done anything to either accelerate the contradictions--as classically conceived--within capitalist production or to increase the class identity of wage labourers within capitalist production. these are not crises at the point of production. nobody is demonstrating as a 'worker.' workers have no power as bearers of social labour if they are unemployed and there is no demand for them to supply. there is no value for them to withhold! there is more pressure now on the state to intervene with the imperative of promoting certain public goods. but this is just welfare capitalism. Tens of millions lost their source of income. Millions are about to lose their homes. The government is about to cut the aid checks that put food in people’s mouths. All this while American cities are already burning. And you think we aren’t about to see some poo poo? Please.
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How about we have an authoritarian takeover in which the enemy of the government is those who wish to codify institutional segregation with the caveat that, to get them all, some white people will get caught in the trap. A dictator steps in and says, you know what, we’re doing this wrong, let them - yes them too - get healthcare, if it makes it easier to do. Shows of force like, making schools good, impossible expenditures for a weak nation. A loud voice who screams that kids should eat food no matter what. NOT IN THIS COUNTRY BUCKO
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With regard to the episode, I gotta say this because I never heard John Oliver say it, although he danced around it: genocide genocide genocide genocide "soft" genocide genocide definitely some "hard" genocide too though genocide genocide genocide severe widespread racism genocide genocide genocide ethnic cleansing ethnic cleansing genocide genocide genocide 'cause that's what the whole thing is. Just gotta lay that out there. There's a whole lot more that is being done to the Uighurs if you keep digging for more specificity to the atrocity. I think the short story is that Xi Jinping is an authoritarian dictator for life trying to establish China as an ethnostate as part of his consolidation of power.
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This episode was just an average day ending in y for China
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Has there been any official backlash from the CCP yet? Normally when stuff like this airs they have an official "you have hurt the feelings of the Chinese people ps the following companies are now officially barred from China:" statement within minutes
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SlothfulCobra posted:genocide I’d guess he dances around that word because it derails the argument with some people. If someone can say, “bUt ThEy ArEn’T iN dEaTh CaMpS,” it detracts from how it is absolutely still 100% cultural genocide. “Cultural erasure” doesn’t evoke the same specific set of reactionary language. It’s like how AOC accurately described ICE detention centers as concentration camps. Her critics jumped all over that as some dishonest lib ploy because ICE isn’t actively throwing people in gas chambers. Even though “concentration camp” and “death camp” aren’t the same thing, and the term she used was accurate. China is definitely attempting to erase Uighurs from existence. I’d call it genocide, too, but even on this very forum, someone once got upset that I referred to the treatment of Native Americans as “genocide.” I guess if it isn’t 1:1 with the Nazis’ playbook, it doesn’t count with some people.
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Randomly caught this headline this morning. Someone mad. https://deadline.com/2020/07/sean-hannity-john-oliver-siriusxm-hes-not-funny-1203000861/
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Djarum posted:Randomly caught this headline this morning. Someone mad. "Let me talk at length abut how little I care about John Oliver"
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LWT has been weaker about comedy as the news becomes more apocalyptic. I'll say that. Although while comedy has been LWT's overall premise for not being a news show, Hannity's show is legally not a news show and doesn't even try to be funny.
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LWT is excruciatingly unfunny and although I wish he would cut back on those bits, it would probably just become the TV equivalent of doom scrolling.
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SlothfulCobra posted:LWT has been weaker about comedy as the news becomes more apocalyptic. I'll say that. Their best comedic bits were their complex, drawn out stunts which took months of planning and behind the scenes work to pull off and that stuff is nigh impossible during a pandemic lockdown. Just imagine all the crazy stuff they must have had halfway done which they had to completely abandon.
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Aug 2, 2020 09:28
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On the bright side we got rat erotica.
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Orange Devil posted:On the bright side we got rat erotica. https://www.cracked.com/article_21223_8-horrifying-movie-props-you-wont-believe-you-could-buy.html
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Hakkesshu posted:LWT is excruciatingly unfunny You're the authority on the matter oh ho ho
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He is mildly amusing enough to get people to pay attention to things they normally wouldn't that is good enough and more then we should expect from a random 30 minute television show from a comedian.
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Real good episode. I like the sly response to the Hannity thing.
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Orange Devil posted:On the bright side we got rat erotica. Maybe the only time I have felt pride for my city.
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That orgasm joke was great and better than anything any of JOs detractors have ever posted imo
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It's a really good episode that hits on a lot of the important parts of the historical context of the situation we find ourselves in today. A lot of the rights won with emancipation were lost with the end of reconstruction and the literal overthrow of reconstruction-era governments. There have been steps forward and back, right now we're in a period where there has been a lot of backstepping and it's going to take a lot of work to turn things around. There's a real strategy to all the things that just disappear down memoryholes, because when some major accomplishment gets torn down, or some atrocity occurs to set a new status quo, then if you cover it up, it creates a new feeling of hopelessness as if this was always the current state of things, and it really helps when the historical revisionism gets embedded into the next generation's childhood, because then all the fabricated confederacy nostalgia can germinate into something more concrete than the failed secession ever was. It's not even exclusive to racial issues; there's been plenty of backsliding on things like unionization, monopolies, environmental protection, treatment of native americans, immigration, distribution of tax burden, housing, and voting rights that all goes down the memory hole so that people think that we're at the pinnacle of history and nothing else can possibly be done. I kinda wish he commented on the threat to suspend the election, but honestly I assume they're building a new folder full of the coming wave of vote suppression for a later epsiode. Also on a pointless technicality, redlining wasn't about keeping blacks out of the budding white suburbs, it was about preventing money from going into black neighborhoods so that they wouldn't prosper like white neighborhoods. Many suburbs as well as the government lending programs helping families move there had anti-black policies (like the one that Trump has been convicted on having), but that was a separate thing.
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The short clip of the American exceptionalism guy intrigues me. Obviously no-one here can precisely speak for the guy, but I do wonder if it's that he just thinks everywhere else outside America is some third world country where every day consists of 10 mile treks for water before sleeping in a bed of cowshit, if he just thinks "freedom" as he/America defines it is so unique to America that people must be miserable even if they live broadly similar lives to his own, if the handful of notable social and cultural differences between America and any other first world country make life so much better that even days with natural disasters in America are still better than a day in [insert other country] where, I don't know, it's nice and sunny and you won the lotto or something or if it really just comes down to something simplistic like "no guns = no freedom"?.
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tsob posted:The short clip of the American exceptionalism guy intrigues me. Obviously no-one here can precisely speak for the guy, but I do wonder if it's that he just thinks everywhere else outside America is some third world country where every day consists of 10 mile treks for water before sleeping in a bed of cowshit, if he just thinks "freedom" as he/America defines it is so unique to America that people must be miserable even if they live broadly similar lives to his own, if the handful of notable social and cultural differences between America and any other first world country make life so much better that even days with natural disasters in America are still better than a day in [insert other country] where, I don't know, it's nice and sunny and you won the lotto or something or if it really just comes down to something simplistic like "no guns = no freedom"?. It's kind of a combination of all of that. ~American Freedom~ is seen as something unique and special to the United States. Old or intentionally altered textbooks give an outdated, jingoistic, and self-centered narration of history which makes everywhere else seem like either a Third World Shithole or a post-War hellscape of burned out buildings and military police. Throw in a mindset that is stuck in 1987, where there are only three types of countries: Communist Enemies, People Who Need to be Protected from Communist Enemies, and Poor People. The first two get tanks (either at or for them) and the third gets pity in the form of aid. There is nowhere in this worldview for the idea that being anywhere except America is good. America is Rome: The Eternal City - The Shining Beacon on the Hill. The Promised Land. In this view, no matter how bad it is here, being anywhere else is unarguably worse.
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Also if that guy has ever been out of the country, it's probably just to a Mexican border town which... does not give a good or accurate impression of what Mexico is like, let alone the world in general.
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everyone should have a copy of LaFeber's "The American Age" on hand https://www.amazon.com/American-Age...=Walter+LaFeber
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There's really nothing to talk about on the election delay threat, Trump can't. Congress could technically pass something to delay it, but regardless Trump's term ends in January and short of a constitutional amendment that can't change. I would be somewhat curious who would be president in that scenario, no election and the term ending. I suppose it would fall down the line of succession to somebody that still had time left on their elected term, like the speaker of the house or something
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Azhais posted:There's really nothing to talk about on the election delay threat, Trump can't. Congress could technically pass something to delay it, but regardless Trump's term ends in January and short of a constitutional amendment that can't change. Given the large amount of mail-in ballots this year, a plausible scenario might be that they take a lot of time to count and it's not clear who won until well after Election Day, or that it's contested. (There's also always the remote possibility of an electoral tie, although frankly it's looking like this year may be an obvious victory for Biden if he doesn't screw it up.) In any case, the Constitution is clear on this -- if there's no evident winner of the election, Congress has to sort it out. But the House decides the President and the Senate decides the Vice President, which means you could potentially end up with a President and VP from different parties/tickets.
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Yeah, the long-planned demolition of the US Postal Service is being really accelerated in preparation for the election. https://twitter.com/EllieRushing/status/1289880547536166912 And there's every reason to expect a whole lot more vote suppression because the death cult's not going to give up without a fight.
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Azhais posted:I would be somewhat curious who would be president in that scenario, no election and the term ending. I suppose it would fall down the line of succession to somebody that still had time left on their elected term, like the speaker of the house or something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQLbNekBU1A
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Azhais posted:I would be somewhat curious who would be president in that scenario, no election and the term ending. I suppose it would fall down the line of succession to somebody that still had time left on their elected term, like the speaker of the house or something Whoever has enough power. Legalism doesn't matter.
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I remember you from Police Academy, Steve Gutenberg
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I remember him from High Spirits, which is also my main exposure to Peter O’Toole and Daryl Hannah (before Kill Bill anyway.)
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pwn posted:I remember him from High Spirits, which is also my main exposure to Peter O’Toole and Daryl Hannah (before Kill Bill anyway.) For me, Daryl Hannah is and will always be Splash. Also that one movie where she's topless (it's set in Africa). I think that was her. But I also remember High Spirits. I wonder how badly it's held up.
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Alhazred posted:I remember you from Police Academy, Steve Gutenberg So he was in pro cop propaganda?
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cant cook creole bream posted:So he was in pro cop propaganda? There was a neat series of videos a while back about how police were originally depicted in film and TV as the butt of jokes until hollywood went very much pro-cop as part of a strategic alliance to align the industry authorities with the more common worldly authorities. It finished off with talking about Police Academy as mostly just an application of a genre that was popular at the time to the police that may have had some incidental relevance, but mostly tried to have it both ways. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmREdsMfFcI
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The Merkinman posted:Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We do, we dooooooooooooo!!
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Throw in a mindset that is stuck in 1987, where there are only three types of countries: Communist Enemies, People Who Need to be Protected from Communist Enemies, and Poor People. I was posting in the GBS George Floyd protests thread a few hours ago and said that American Exceptionalism and "Rugged Individualism" were toxic at their core and were major contributors to everything that the BLM movement was fighting against and some random chud poster immediately accused me of loving the Soviet Union, LOL McCarthyism alive and well in 2020
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