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Barry Convex posted:yeah, it was very naive of DiDio/Lee et al to think that that wouldn't get national media attention (if they expected it to get attention but didn't think it would play badly with the WB brass, that might have been even more naive) Or perhaps buying into 'any publicity is good' which... no, not really.
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Dawgstar posted:Or perhaps buying into 'any publicity is good' which... no, not really. I don't see what's bad about bat-dick? It was a perfectly cromulent penis. Also yeah, Bruce just got married, have him focus on trying to improve gotham as Bruce Wayne and have Dick get the cowl, with Damian as his Robin. Barry and Hal can both gently caress off into another crisis or whatever and let Wally and Jessica be the new Flash and GL.
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Aug 4, 2020 04:23
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Barry Convex posted:presumably, the now-cancelled Generation One-Five one-shots were intended to address questions like those Madkal posted:They did show it, and then a lot of jokes were made and DC freaked out and removed all bat-dicks from reprints. Poor guy never managed to do 52 But Right. 
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Aug 4, 2020 05:14
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I'm rereading 52 right now actually. I forgot about the part with a bunch of superheroes wear red cloaks over their regular costumes at a cult meeting. Roth fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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Aug 4, 2020 05:16
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They were undercover!
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Aug 4, 2020 05:38
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Is it just me or is Batman very bad right now?
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Aug 5, 2020 00:59
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I am not a Tynion fan and went into it with a pretty low bar of expectations but god, it's just boring. The Joker's a necromancer now, fine. It feels like a half-hearted fill-in run.
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Aug 5, 2020 01:35
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That's a shame. Tynion can clearly do good Batman, even if he should probably be given a Bat-family book, but now whenever I see a weird half-hearted run I think about Sean McKeever talking about how the editor was basically writing his Titans run and wonder if DC still gets up to that sort of thing.
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Aug 5, 2020 03:30
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Dawgstar posted:That's a shame. Tynion can clearly do good Batman, even if he should probably be given a Bat-family book, but now whenever I see a weird half-hearted run I think about Sean McKeever talking about how the editor was basically writing his Titans run and wonder if DC still gets up to that sort of thing. I feel like it's definitely the case here. DC made a Summer Cyborg special btw 
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Aug 5, 2020 03:37
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Xelkelvos posted:I feel like it's definitely the case here. That Apollo and Midnighter in the second panel?
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Aug 5, 2020 03:43
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Skwirl posted:That Apollo and Midnighter in the second panel? Yup, check out the costumes crumpled up in the foreground.
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Aug 5, 2020 03:45
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How Wonderful! posted:Yup, check out the costumes crumpled up in the foreground. Ah, phone posting so I missed that, I was basing it off Apollo's swimsuit.
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Aug 5, 2020 03:47
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Skwirl posted:Ah, phone posting so I missed that, I was basing it off Apollo's swimsuit. lmao, I totally missed their themed swimsuits.
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Aug 5, 2020 03:48
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Grayson was such an incredible use of Midnighter. I wish DC had a book that fun and cool again. I wish Tom King did more stuff like it, though Strange Adventures has its moments.
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Aug 5, 2020 03:59
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The summer special was really really good. The Booster Gold and Blue Beetle chapter was probably the highlight.
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Aug 5, 2020 04:10
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BrianWilly posted:The summer special was really really good. The Booster Gold and Blue Beetle chapter was probably the highlight. I didn't know this was a thing! If there's a good Blue and Gold story, I feel obligated to buy it. What's it about, and how long is it? On that note, how was Blue Beetle's appearance in Terrifics #27 (the last issue to be published in print)? I haven't read the book at all, but does Ted do anything significant in the issue to make it worth buying as a fan of his?
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Aug 5, 2020 05:21
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I didn't know this was a thing! If there's a good Blue and Gold story, I feel obligated to buy it. What's it about, and how long is it?
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Aug 5, 2020 05:24
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BrianWilly posted:The book is called DC Cybernetic Summer, which is unfortunate 'cuz I read it as "DC Cybernetic Superman" at first and was like ugggh this guy again? But um without spoiling, Booster and Beetle go on a vacation. It's not too long, just a short story in a longer book. are you talking mess about Hank Henshaw aka Cyborg Superman???????
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Aug 5, 2020 05:31
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I didn't know this was a thing! If there's a good Blue and Gold story, I feel obligated to buy it. What's it about, and how long is it? Blue and Gold go on a trip to the beach and use the Time Sphere. Hijinks ensue.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Grayson was such an incredible use of Midnighter. I wish DC had a book that fun and cool again. I wish Tom King did more stuff like it, though Strange Adventures has its moments. Your spyral tech may hide your face, but I'd recognize that rear end anywhere.
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Aug 5, 2020 08:18
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Alaois posted:are you talking mess about Hank Henshaw aka Cyborg Superman??????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hODshVmed5o
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So I started finally going through some of the New 52 stuff I had picked up but never read. I'm mostly out of the Court of Owls stuff in Batman which was pretty neat, but there seemed to be a lot going on in the background we didn't see, especially with the Talons assassination attempts. Does any of that crop up in other New 52 books?
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Aug 5, 2020 19:10
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OscarDiggs posted:So I started finally going through some of the New 52 stuff I had picked up but never read. I'm mostly out of the Court of Owls stuff in Batman which was pretty neat, but there seemed to be a lot going on in the background we didn't see, especially with the Talons assassination attempts. I am starting to reread Snyder's Batman run (just finished the Owl stuff and now I am getting into Death of the family *shudder*) and to answer your question.... I managed to pick up a trade that collected the whole saga and the stuff you are asking about, which was kind of handwaved (where did that list of targets come from, who stopped them etc) was shown in a back up done by Snyder/Tynion where Alfred hacks (???) the Owls server or something like that, finds a hit list and puts in a call to all Bat allies to go stop the hits before they happen. It's a four page backup and I don't know where it originally appeared but that answers your question. There is a trade out there that collects all the side issues from other books where the allies go and battle the owls. I remember re-reading the Batman comic (2 days ago) and also wondering where this hit list came from and what was done about it
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Aug 5, 2020 20:00
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I might of missed something in my reading frenzy but I'm on Graveyard Shift now and did Damien die? Because I swear I didnt read anything about it until the scene where Alfred talks about losing Jason as well.
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Aug 5, 2020 21:50
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OscarDiggs posted:I might of missed something in my reading frenzy but I'm on Graveyard Shift now and did Damien die? Because I swear I didnt read anything about it until the scene where Alfred talks about losing Jason as well. He dies when Talia's Leviathan rises up and tries to do its thing. Pretty much every one of the male Robins has died in some manner at least once (except Tim? I forget)
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Aug 5, 2020 22:10
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Xelkelvos posted:He dies when Talia's Leviathan rises up and tries to do its thing. Okay, but when was this? One moment theyre all happy after all surviving the Joker and the next minute Batman is in full grief mode. Did I skip an issue somehow? I dont remember any Batman issue talking about anything along the lines of Leviathan.
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Aug 5, 2020 22:14
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Xelkelvos posted:He dies when Talia's Leviathan rises up and tries to do its thing. afaik Tim hasn't "really" died and I dunno if I'd count Dick. Jason and Damian are more blatant and I think Steph's was real, too? I know it was retconned so it's weird.
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Aug 5, 2020 22:42
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Everyone in universe thought Tim died in Detective comics when it was a Batwoman led teambook. It was revealed to readers pretty quick he didn't actually die, but i don't remember if it was the same issue, the next issue or the one after that. I read it in trade and didn't get far enough for him to come back so I don't remember how long people the characters thought he was dead.
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Aug 5, 2020 22:51
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So, was it an off screen death?
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Aug 5, 2020 22:55
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OscarDiggs posted:So, was it an off screen death? Nope, he was shot with a bazillion lasers at the same time, but was teleported away immediately before by a different and completely unrelated villain, so a bunch of people thought the watched him get vaporized.
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Skwirl posted:Nope, he was shot with a bazillion lasers at the same time, but was teleported away immediately before by a different and completely unrelated villain, so a bunch of people thought the watched him get vaporized. So Damian got vapourised in a side comic? That seems a bit unfair not to even advertise it. There wasnt even a "Read X and Y to find out why Batman is so mad"
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Aug 5, 2020 23:07
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OscarDiggs posted:Okay, but when was this? Damien died in Grant Morrison's Batman Inc run. Morrison had it always slated for Damien to die and he died in quite a dramatic fashion when the Heretic (another Damien clone but aged up) stabbed him. edit: Tim was the one that got vaporized in Detective comics after DC: Rebirth.
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To clarify Two of the Many Deaths of Robin: Damian Wayne: Is stabbed to death by Heretic, a weird monster clone of him that Talia used as part of her Leviathan gambit at the tail end of Grant Morrison's Batman run in Batman Incorporated in 2013. The mourning of Damian mostly takes place in Tomasi/Gleason's Batman & Robin, which is retitled Batman & [various other names] while he's dead. He's resurrected in the Robin Rises mini-event a year or so later. Tim Drake: Is shot with a billion lasers at the start of Tynion's Detective Comics Rebirth series, and was teleported to a prison run by MISTER OZ at the behest of Doctor Manhattan, for reasons I don't think anyone ever bothered explaining on either count because Doomsday Clock was forever delayed/getting changed. He escaped, and I don't think I ever read anything else from Tynion's Detective. Scott Snyder's Batman (which the Graveyard Shift trade is part of) is referencing the former, if that wasn't obvious.
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Aug 5, 2020 23:53
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Okay. So basically I need to track down Batman Inc to read the actual death. Its still really rude theres not... ANYTHING to indicate such a major thing like a character death happened in an entirely different comic line. So, do I read up the his death in Batman Inc then go back to Batman? Or are there any other huge things that happen that the writers dont do anything to tell readers they should read something else first?
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Aug 5, 2020 23:59
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Outside of that one issue Damian is pretty much irrelevant to Snyder's run.Skwirl posted:Everyone in universe thought Tim died in Detective comics when it was a Batwoman led teambook. It was revealed to readers pretty quick he didn't actually die, but i don't remember if it was the same issue, the next issue or the one after that. I read it in trade and didn't get far enough for him to come back so I don't remember how long people the characters thought he was dead. The readers find out in the same issue (#940) but most of the characters don't find out until #965. The Mister Oz stuff makes no sense now and reads terribly.
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Aug 6, 2020 00:22
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OscarDiggs posted:Okay. So basically I need to track down Batman Inc to read the actual death. Grant Morrison's Batman Inc is going to be collected again in the Batman by Grant Morrison Omnibus Volume 3 that is out on the 25th of this month. The Tomasi and Gleason Batman and Robin Omnibus is still available on sale at Amazon. Both are great reads.
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Aug 6, 2020 00:45
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You can read that one issue of Inc but you won't really get the full oomph of it if you don't read all of Morrisons run. Indo recommend Tomasi's Batman and Robin nu-52 run (which takes place in the same "universe" as Snyder's run). As been mentioned Robins death doesn't really figure much into Snyder's run so it is easy enough to ignore, even when Damien comes back.
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Aug 6, 2020 03:46
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Also the Macguffin that lets Robin come back is introduced in the first arc of the New 52 Batman/Superman book but it's really inessential and all you need to do is know that it's a macguffin.
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Do I have to read any of something called Final Crises? Because thats listed in a collection of Morrisons run, going back to like "Black Casebook" and "Batman R.I.P". Both of those I've technically already read, but I could do a read through again.
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OscarDiggs posted:Do I have to read any of something called Final Crises? His role in Final Crisis is small in terms of page count and enormous in terms of impact. RIP and Time and the Batman cover the events of Final Crisis from Bats' perspective. I don't know how well they work without having read FC itself though.
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